Questions and Answers

[keras]

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

It is known only to God the Father what day and hour that He will send Jesus for the resurrection/rapture.

Total avoidance of the questions I asked.
Here is another question: If we won't know when Jesus will Return, then why does 1 Thess 4:16 and Rev 19:12-16, say that glorious Day will be heralded by Trumpets and shouts from heaven? Plus, He will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

Do you really think that the Church will be raptured before any trials and testing? You contradict many scriptures if you do.
The forthcoming Day of fiery wrath, is the unknown Day. The foolish rapture believers will be terrified.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

It is the Bible Prophets who have all the answers. I merely present their Prophesies, along with supporting scriptures and how our modern knowledge can help in understanding what God has planned for our future.
It isn't my concern if people object to what I present, as what the Prophets said was rejected then and nothing has changed now.

People are rejecting your understanding of the Bible prophets, not the Bible prophets themselves. You act as if people are rejecting your words as if you speak for the Bible prophets, but you do not. You often misinterpret what they wrote. But, you act like that is impossible and that's why you come across as if you think you have all the answers.

What is going to happen will shock and surprise most, which is how God wants it. It will be our test of faith and many will fail it.

We who trust in the Lord and are Bible believers can and should know what He has planned for our future. Paul says: 1 Thessalonians 5:4 You; friends are not in the dark, that Day will not come upon you like a thief. Revelation 1:1 The Lord has revealed His plans to His servants.

We believe that God’s Word is inerrant and complete as presented to us in the Holy Scriptures, therefore it is not right to ignore parts of it, or to say: that must have already happened, and: that does not apply to us, excepting for the obvious.

In my view, you are the one who ignores parts of God's Word. Such as 2 Peter 3:13. What Peter said we are to look for in fulfillment of the promise of the second coming (return) of Christ are the new heavens and new earth. But, you talk about looking for something far inferior to that in fulfillment of the promise of His second coming instead.

To hold onto beliefs that do not have solid Bible support, like looking to the Return of Jesus as the next event, or a ‘rapture’ out of this world, is a serious error and may result in some disadvantage for you. The attitude of “I trust in the Lord for protection” is correct, but barely adequate when He has given us so much warning and information.

You seem to focus entirely on physical catastrophes and trying to survive them while never saying anything about the importance of being spiritually aware of what's going on while being careful not to allow ourselves to be deceived, as Jesus talked about in the Olivet Discourse, and as Paul wrote about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

The actual end times events will surprise and shock those who didn’t bother to gain understanding, even though it will dramatically affect everyone.

The unfortunate part about not knowing our future, is that we miss out on the anticipation of the wonderful and amazing promises that the Lord has made to His people, those who keep His Laws and honour and praise their Creator.

Yes, like the new heavens and new earth that Peter said we look for in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's return.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Total avoidance of the questions I asked.
Here is another question: If we won't know when Jesus will Return, then why does 1 Thess 4:16 and Rev 19:12-16, say that glorious Day will be heralded by Trumpets and shouts from heaven?

The seventh and last trumpet will sound on that day, so I don't know what your point is here. Nothing will signal or indicate the exact day or hour of His return before the day and hour He actually returns.

Plus, He will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

Nope. When Jesus said no one knows the day or hour, He wasn't just making that up. If you come up with something that suggests we can know the day or hour, then you know you can't be correct because Jesus said otherwise. Scripture is clear that He will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night, so any theory you come up with to suggest that He won't return unexpectedly is false.

Jesus did say we can know when His return is near (Matthew 24:32-33), but not the exact day or hour.

 

[Douggg]

Here is another question: If we won't know when Jesus will Return, then why does 1 Thess 4:16 and Rev 19:12-16, say that glorious Day will be heralded by Trumpets and shouts from heaven? Plus, He will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

We know that once the Antichrist makes the big speech from the temple mount confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle stipulated by Moses - then 7 years later Jesus Returns. So, although we don't know the calendar date right now, we do the (undated) time line of events to take place.

Also, we don't the calendar date that 1Thessalonians4:16 will take place.

1Thessalonians4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

....is referring to resurrection/rapture event.... not Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years.

Jesus does not actually stand upon earth for the resurrection/rapture event, as the resurrected/raptured saints will meet Jesus in the air.

What I picture it as happening is that God the Father will send Jesus from the third heaven, bringing with Him from the third heaven the souls of departed saints.

And Jesus, once near the earth, will circle the earth, resurrecting the bodies of them who died in Christ/reuniting them with their departed souls; while also, but slightly behind, changing the living in Christ to be transformed, into everlasting bodies as well - changed in the twinkling of an eye.

And taken to heaven, while the great tribulation will then take place here on earth.

At the end of the great tribulation, Jesus will return with the resurrected/raptured saints in Revelation 19:12-16

 

[keras]

Nope. When Jesus said no one knows the day or hour, He wasn't just making that up. If you come up with something that suggests we can know the day or hour, then you know you can't be correct because Jesus said otherwise. Scripture is clear that He will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night, so any theory you come up with to suggest that He won't return unexpectedly is false.

Jesus said: You don't know the hour of My coming....
He wasn't referring to His glorious Return, but His coming in fire, on His terrible day of wrath, Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17
Why should He hide the Day of His Return? We ARE told exact time periods and the time of world satanic control, Rev 13, will last exactly 1260 days.

The seventh and last trumpet will sound on that day, so I don't know what your point is here. Nothing will signal or indicate the exact day or hour of His return before the day and hour He actually returns.

My point is that we can know the Day of Jesus Return, many things lead up to it, the Sixth and Seventh Bowl, Rev 16:12-14 & 16 will indicate how close it is.
I view Rev 16:15, as a parenthesis insertion; referring back to how we must be aware and prepared for the Sixth Seal world changer.

In my view, you are the one who ignores parts of God's Word. Such as 2 Peter 3:13. What Peter said we are to look for in fulfillment of the promise of the second coming (return) of Christ are the new heavens and new earth. But, you talk about looking for something far inferior to that in fulfillment of the promise of His second coming instead.

Revelation 21:1-8, follows on from Rev 20. It is plain that there will be a thousand years between the glorious Return and the new heavens and earth, your statement above, is a flat out contradiction of scripture.

 

[keras]

At the end of the great tribulation, Jesus will return with the resurrected/raptured saints in Revelation 19:12-16

Your entire paradigm of the end times, is wrong and unbiblical. Nowhere is it said the Anti-Christ will confirm the Mosaic Covenant.
The ONLY people Jesus will bring with Him, will be the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 period of world Satanic control. Revelation 20:4-5

You persist in posting ugly pictures on my threads. The one in #44 has no scriptural support and is just a fanciful dream.
Using 'come up hither', Revelation 4:1, spoken just to John, shows how willing you are to twist and mis-apply scripture to fit your false beliefs. What will Jesus say to people who do that?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Jesus said: You don't know the hour of My coming....
He wasn't referring to His glorious Return, but His coming in fire, on His terrible day of wrath, Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17

LOL. This is complete nonsense. His second coming IS His return. He's not coming more than once in the future. Both Peter and Paul make it very clear that He will come back/return unexpectedly as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12), which Jesus Himself also indicated.

Why should He hide the Day of His Return? We ARE told exact time periods and the time of world satanic control, Rev 13, will last exactly 1260 days.

Because He wants us to serve and obey Him right up until He returns rather than just counting down the days until He returns which would lead to complacency.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. 45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.

My point is that we can know the Day of Jesus Return, many things lead up to it, the Sixth and Seventh Bowl, Rev 16:12-14 & 16 will indicate how close it is.

Your point is wrong. No one will know until the actual day and hour that He comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night.

I view Rev 16:15, as a parenthesis insertion; referring back to how we must be aware and prepared for the Sixth Seal world changer.

Of course you do. How convenient for you to see it that way. This is just another example of you twisting scripture to make it say what you want it to say.

Revelation 21:1-8, follows on from Rev 20. It is plain that there will be a thousand years between the glorious Return and the new heavens and earth, your statement above, is a flat out contradiction of scripture.

It is plain that you are wrong, as has been proven over and over again. You refuse to learn.

 

[keras]

This is complete nonsense. His second coming IS His return.

Over 100 Prophesies vividly describe how the Lord will come in fire and He will not be seen on that Day. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18,
Verses like Psalms 11:4-6 and Habakkuk 3:4, Revelation 6:12-17, + prove this.
That terrible Day is totally different and separate from the glorious Return, to come years later.

It is plain you have been proved wrong. You seem incapable of learning.

 

[Douggg]

Over 100 Prophesies vividly describe how the Lord will come in fire and He will not be seen on that Day. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18,
Verses like Psalms 11:4-6 and Habakkuk 3:4, Revelation 6:12-17, + prove this.
That terrible Day is totally different and separate from the glorious Return, to come years later.

It is plain you have been proved wrong. You seem incapable of learning.

keras, when you disagree with another poster, stick to the reasons why you disagree. Don't add a comment like that in red, because it is inflammatory.

 

[Douggg]

LOL. This is complete nonsense. His second coming IS His return. He's not coming more than once in the future. Both Peter and Paul make it very clear that He will come back/return unexpectedly as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12), which Jesus Himself also indicated.

When discussing with another poster, don't include phrases like LOL, because it is inflammatory.

Also, don't include sentences like "You refuse to learn", because it is inflammatory.