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1. Who is Satan?
2. Is Satan human?
3. How old is Satan?
4. Was Satan ever born?
5. Who are Satan's parents?
6. Is Satan male or female?
7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?
8. Who created the concept of Satan?
9. When was the concept of Satan created?
10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?
 

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1. Who is Satan?
A fallen angel of God.

2. Is Satan human?
No. He was God's No.1 angel

3. How old is Satan?
Somewhere between the dawn of creation and the fall of man.

4. Was Satan ever born?
No.

5. Who are Satan's parents?
we assume He was called into existence.

6. Is Satan male or female?
Traditionally He is looked at as male.

7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?
No, Satan is not a God of any type..

8. Who created the concept of Satan?
He was allowed to be Himself.

9. When was the concept of Satan created?
Satan took the role in the garden as the deceiver of Adam and Eve.

10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?
Not sure I understand the question. what concept?
 
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A fallen angel of God.

No. He was God's No.1 angel

Somewhere between the dawn of creation and the fall of man.

No.

we assume He was called into existence.

Traditionally He is looked at as male.

No, Satan is not a God of any type..

He was allowed to be Himself.

Satan took the role in the garden as the deceiver of Adam and Eve.

Not sure I understand the question. what concept?
1. Who is Satan?
A fallen angel of God.
11. Where did Satan the angel fall from?
12. How far did Satan fall?
13. What caused Satan to stop falling?

2. Is Satan human?
No. He was God's No.1 angel
14. Why is Satan anthropomorphized as if he were human?

3. How old is Satan?
Somewhere between the dawn of creation and the fall of man.
15. Approximately how many years would that be?


4. Was Satan ever born?
No.
16. Does Satan have any physiological characteristics?

5. Who are Satan's parents?
we assume He was called into existence.
17. How did Satan come into existence?

6. Is Satan male or female?
Traditionally He is looked at as male.
18. Does Satan have male genitalia to distinguish him as male?

7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?
No, Satan is not a God of any type..
19. I didn't ask if Satan is a God. I asked if Satan could exist if God didn't exist?

8. Who created the concept of Satan?
He was allowed to be Himself.
20. Allow me to reword. What human(s) first documented the existence of Satan?
21. What caused these humans to come up with the concept of Satan?

9. When was the concept of Satan created?
Satan took the role in the garden as the deceiver of Adam and Eve.
22. Did Satan appear to Adam and Eve as a human?

10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?
Not sure I understand the question. what concept?
23. What was the agenda of those who first posited the concept of Satan? What were they trying to convey?
 
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1. Who is Satan?
2. Is Satan human?
3. How old is Satan?
4. Was Satan ever born?
5. Who are Satan's parents?
6. Is Satan male or female?
7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?
8. Who created the concept of Satan?
9. When was the concept of Satan created?
10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?
I will attempt no. 10, as it seems to answer all other questions. What was the purpose of Satan's being here?

Well, first and foremost, Satan wants to add to young humanist's delusion that humans created ontology rather than the most self evident fact in the universe that ontology created all things. You can take it from there with some great humanistic theory that you may might think is really true.
 
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Who is Satan? A good question. You post that you are a humanist. Why do you want to know who Satan is? As a humanist, the answer should not interest you as you believe in moral relativity and do not believe in either good or evil, either God or Satan. The answer might be found in your own sub-consciousnesses awareness of God. God is self evident truth with which you were born with.

Therefore, you do ask about Satan, that is where Satan is as evil in hidden in our hearts and minds, and that is why you ask about Satan because you are searching for God. If you search for who Satan is and find him, perhaps you will find also God. I do encourage you to keep asking these nonsense questions, perhaps, in doing so, you might re-discover the true one God you knew existed when you were first born. Otherwise, you could continue to live thinking that you were born with a blank mind. That is who Satan is. He is the one telling you that you were born without an ontological mind, without knowledge of God. Now, is that not dumb for Satan to tell you such a thing?
 
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1. Who is Satan?

I don't really know, but some sort of personification of evil/sin.

2. Is Satan human?

No.

3. How old is Satan?

This probably isn't applicable, and probably has nothing to do with out time if it is.

4. Was Satan ever born?

Not in any human sense if any.

5. Who are Satan's parents?

N/A

6. Is Satan male or female?

Neither.

7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?

No.

8. Who created the concept of Satan?

God or some human.

9. When was the concept of Satan created?

Probably not long after humans invented language.

10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?

From a human point of view, probably to give a more specific reference point for all the suffering and evil in the world.
 
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For a humanist that is another good question. Since you do not believe in Satan or God, you are forced by default to believe what is Satan is or comes from humans. Looking at the evils that man has done to his fellow men down through history, especially to Christians, I would have to agree with you that man can certainly be called Satan at times. However, Jesus Christ can save you from all your evil thoughts and ways, if you do happen to have any.
 
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Satan seems to has been around from the point of creation however how long that has been. It seems that when Existences created the cosmological and allowed Existence's ontological mind to explain creation via all God's self evident truths, that free will, another creation of God, allowed Satan to come into existence. Anyway, Satan was around when God created man to attempt to persuade man to rebel against God just as Satan himself did.

This may not satisfy your curiosity. Nevertheless, keep asking these trick questions for these questions might serve to reveal Christ to you. God or ontology or Existence has been here longer than Satan and there are Christians out there that can answer almost all your questions about existence. Christians, if they will, can show you true Ontology. Here is the formula that answers all questions correctly:
Ontology + Cosmology = Reality
 
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Who is Satan? A good question. You post that you are a humanist. Why do you want to know who Satan is? As a humanist, the answer should not interest you as you believe in moral relativity and do not believe in either good or evil, either God or Satan. The answer might be found in your own sub-consciousnesses awareness of God. God is self evident truth with which you were born with.

Therefore, you do ask about Satan, that is where Satan is as evil in hidden in our hearts and minds, and that is why you ask about Satan because you are searching for God. If you search for who Satan is and find him, perhaps you will find also God. I do encourage you to keep asking these nonsense questions, perhaps, in doing so, you might re-discover the true one God you knew existed when you were first born. Otherwise, you could continue to live thinking that you were born with a blank mind. That is who Satan is. He is the one telling you that you were born without an ontological mind, without knowledge of God. Now, is that not dumb for Satan to tell you such a thing?
Is Satan merely an anthropomorphism of the natural tendencies of humans to do things which are defined in the Bible as evil?
 
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11. Where did Satan the angel fall from?
God's grace

12. How far did Satan fall?
It wasn't a physical fall.

13. What caused Satan to stop falling?
again not a physical fall.

14. Why is Satan anthropomorphized as if he were human?
He isn't in Christianity nor Judaism.
15. Approximately how many years would that be?
We don't know how much time their was between creation and the fall.

16. Does Satan have any physiological characteristics?
Such as?

17. How did Satan come into existence?
Again, we assume He was called into existence as an angel of the Lord.
Do you know what this means?

18. Does Satan have male genitalia to distinguish him as male?
"tradition" is not that specific. It simply records or refers to him as Male.

19. I didn't ask if Satan is a God. I asked if Satan could exist if God didn't exist?
Nothing exists apart from God. God call creation into existence. Satan is not a god of any type. that means he does not have the power to exist apart from God.

20. Allow me to reword. What human(s) first documented the existence of Satan?
Moses in the account of creation is the first to "document" anything.

21. What caused these humans to come up with the concept of Satan?
I suppose for the same reason He recorded the words of God.

22. Did Satan appear to Adam and Eve as a human?
No, a serpent.

23. What was the agenda of those who first posited the concept of Satan? What were they trying to convey?
God gave the story to moses perhaps you should ask Him.
 
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1. Who is Satan?

A creature, probably a fallen angel.

2. Is Satan human?

No. Probably a fallen angel.

3. How old is Satan?

Impossible to answer, Scripture does not tell us when the angels were created, whether they were created prior to the creation of heaven and earth or after we simply don't know.

4. Was Satan ever born?

No, except perhaps in the figurative sense of being created and brought into existence.

5. Who are Satan's parents?

Bob and Susan, a lovely couple from Maine. They're very disappointed in what their kid's been up to.

6. Is Satan male or female?

Neither. Gender is a property of creatures who sexually reproduce.

7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?

Nothing could exist if God did not exist.

8. Who created the concept of Satan?

I'm going to answer this as though the question were rephrased as "How did the idea of Satan develop within religious history?" And to that I would say that it's been evolving concept since at least the Babylonian Captivity. There may have been some Zoroastrian influences on Jewish thinking--but to what degree is up for argument--and developed most strongly in the Second Temple period and evolved further in Christian thought since the first century.

9. When was the concept of Satan created?
10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?

See my above paragraph.

Firstly: I don't believe the idea of Satan is fiction, I believe there is a creature called Satan who is a pretty serious self-centered jerk, though I wholly reject any notions of cosmic dualism. The devil is not a "power" in the universe, but a creature and part of the created universe.

Secondly: Ideas of devil-like figures are probably often part of religious traditions largely in attempting to understand some of the difficulties of pain, suffering, and temptation; whether this ultimately means a wholly humanly conceived imagined devil/devils/etc or simply a reflection of a very real devil is entirely part of what it means to have discourse about religion.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Is Satan merely an anthropomorphism of the natural tendencies of humans to do things which are defined in the Bible as evil?

The answer is no but sometimes yes. But what do you say as the OP of this thread? Are you afraid to give your opinion and your reasoning for thinking so? :bow:
 
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The answer is no but sometimes yes. But what do you say as the OP of this thread? Are you afraid to give your opinion and your reasoning for thinking so? :bow:
It appears to me that Satan is merely an anthropomorphism of the natural tendencies of humans to do things which are defined in the Bible as evil. There's not much to indicate otherwise.
 
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Replying to the OP's last post, I think that is honesty on his part. In the life of an unbeliever satan has succeeded, and only when we attempt to turn to the Lord does any battle take place, trying to discourage us from it. satan's greatest success is when we think he doesn't exist, and the OP is clearly not actively turning to the Lord, so I have to respect his POV.

11. Where did Satan the angel fall from?
12. How far did Satan fall?
13. What caused Satan to stop falling?

He fell from heaven, to earth. Earth is classified as being between heaven and hell, so in the grand scheme of things over all time, satan has not stopped falling yet. This is depicted in Scripture as "Babylon is fallen, is fallen." (Which is why I view "the second death" not as annihilationism, but a continuing existence.) satan best approaches temporarily not falling further, by being glorified in humans who embody his will. This is MUCH more an everyday occurrence than almost any of us are really aware of!

14. Why is Satan anthropomorphized as if he were human?

I will address this whole concept giving it some merit. First, yesterday I posted much detail in this sub-forum in a thread started by "curious atheist," and I am trying not to cover that same ground here. Second, humanists also say that G-d Himself is also anthropomorphized. Please recognize your "why" answer is that the language in Scripture is not G-d Himself, but is Him trying to get His point across being aware of our limitations. How better to do so?

16. Does Satan have any physiological characteristics?

The topic here is you do not know what is meant by "spirit." It may be helpful to recognize that first of all, it means having no body. So if there were to be some actual incarnation of satan a la Rosemary's Baby or something, it would no more be satan's body than Jesus gave G-d actual hands. (Although in a sense He does, and continues to)

17. How did Satan come into existence?

I do address this in the other thread I mentioned, which again goes beyond the confession of our Faith but I think employs sound reason based on what is revealed via Scripture. Bottom line here is what is left unknown is intentionally given as a sobering warning!

6. Is Satan male or female?
Traditionally He is looked at as male.

I think this is just because of culture of the day, which partly denotes his authority. Culture hasn't changed that much, because attributes like anger and nastiness are still stereotypically male, even though females really aren't automatically free of such evil. Again, as spirit there is no gender; that is a physical trait.

20. Allow me to reword. What human(s) first documented the existence of Satan?
21. What caused these humans to come up with the concept of Satan?

My final answer on that is Job, which I hold to be the oldest book in the Bible. It says basically everything it has to say about satan right in the first chapter, and I think this directly addresses yin and yang, declaring it to be false even though it was the highest wisdom of it's day, and G-d to be a higher wisdom.

It was written because G-d loves mankind, wants to reveal Himself to us, and enjoys our company.

22. Did Satan appear to Adam and Eve as a human?

This is actually a good question, because he did not "go upon his belly" before Adam and Eve's judgment, the same day as their fall. (Which could have been millions of years after they were created; the Bible does not specify.)

The answer to your question is unknown, and I see no basis upon which to even speculate.

23. What was the agenda of those who first posited the concept of Satan? What were they trying to convey?

This is a repeat of 21.
 
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1. Who is Satan?

A former angel who led a rebellion again God, resulting in the fall of 1/3 of the angels. Now he serves as tempter for us.

2. Is Satan human?

Nope. He is a spirit, like God, but with great limitations in power. Angels have, however, appeared to us as men.

3. How old is Satan?

The Bible doesn't mention his age.

4. Was Satan ever born?

The angels were created directly by God, and they have no parents, marriage, or gender.

5. Who are Satan's parents?

See 4.

6. Is Satan male or female?

Neither. He, like all angels, is a spirit. Jesus said that angels have no male or female, and when we die, we will become like them.

7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?

No. Satan was created by God. If God wasn't there to create him, there would be no Satan.

8. Who created the concept of Satan?

Concept? He's not a concept, he's a real person.

9. When was the concept of Satan created?

When he appeared in the garden of Eden, tempted Adam and Eve, they fell, and they recognized him as the tempter who led them to do evil.

10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?

To acknowledge the truth that there's an evil force moving the world, which we cannot see.

It appears to me that Satan is merely an anthropomorphism of the natural tendencies of humans to do things which are defined in the Bible as evil. There's not much to indicate otherwise.

Humans have natural tendencies to do evil? I thought that was supposed to be the fault of religion forcing us good people to do bad things.

(I don't know if you said this yourself, but this is the argument I see presented very often.)
 
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It appears to me that Satan is merely an anthropomorphism of the natural tendencies of humans to do things which are defined in the Bible as evil. There's not much to indicate otherwise.
If Satan is an anthropomorphism of the human mind, this simply more evidence of how evil humanism really is. There is not much to indicate more evidence otherwise needed to illustrate how evil any philosophy without Christ really is evil. Than you for say so and that is what we Christians always though also about humanism. Any philosophy of the Ontological Being of the universe is always evil.
 
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1. Who is Satan?
2. Is Satan human?
3. How old is Satan?
4. Was Satan ever born?
5. Who are Satan's parents?
6. Is Satan male or female?
7. Could Satan exist if God did not exist?
8. Who created the concept of Satan?
9. When was the concept of Satan created?
10. What was the purpose of creating the concept of Satan?

1. A created being
2. no
3. dunno- we tend to look at questions of this sort as an outside of time thing
4. no
5. nonexistent
6. neither- created as one of the bodiless powers of heaven (angels)
7. no
8. God
9. see question 3
10. Purpose? The purpose for all of creation is communion with God. God allows freewill. Anyone who goes against the will of God falls into sin (missing the mark). Satan's sin was pride.
 
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