Questions about orthodox eucharist

[Jeronimomoulia]

According to catholic teachings, the bread turns into the flesh, bood, soul and divinity of Christ, and the same for the wine. Do ortodox think the same, or the bread is just the flesh and the wine is just the blood?

According to catholic teachings, the bread is not more bread, it is just all Christ, and the same for the wine: it is the teaching of transubstantiation. Do ortodox teach transubstantiation, or another doctrine as consubstantiation?

Catholic tribute worship of latria to the eucharistic kinds; we kneel before them. Do ortodox tribute for it worship of latria, or better worship of dylia?

What happens when consagrated kinds are left over after eucharist? Do orthodox think that they are no more Christ, or Christ is himself still in the kinds? Do orthodox preserve the bread and the wine, or do they throw them away?

 

[Anhelyna]

What happens when consagrated kinds are left over after eucharist? Do orthodox think that they are no more Christ, or Christ is himself still in the kinds? Do orthodox preserve the bread and the wine, or do they throw them away?

Neither Catholics or Orthodox Christians 'throw away ' the Holy Gifts that have not been consumed . They are preserved [ albeit differently ] so that sick people can be Communed

 

[Dorothea]

According to catholic teachings, the bread turns into the flesh, bood, soul and divinity of Christ, and the same for the wine. Do ortodox think the same, or the bread is just the flesh and the wine is just the blood?

According to catholic teachings, the bread is not more bread, it is just all Christ, and the same for the wine: it is the teaching of transubstantiation. Do ortodox teach transubstantiation, or another doctrine as consubstantiation?

Catholic tribute worship of latria to the eucharistic kinds; we kneel before them. Do ortodox tribute for it worship of latria, or better worship of dylia?

What happens when consagrated kinds are left over after eucharist? Do orthodox think that they are no more Christ, or Christ is himself still in the kinds? Do orthodox preserve the bread and the wine, or do they throw them away?

We believe the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, and how it's done is a mystery. It's done through the Holy Spirit, and everything that is done by God is a mystery, really.

Our bread and wine are served together in a chalice.

The priest or deacon finished what's left in the chalice during the prayers after communion and the parishioners have already left the nave after receiving their andideron (sp?) (blessed bread).

 

[Blackknight]

Anything left over in the chalice is consumed by the priest and any leftover bread or wine from the antedoron table is usually consumed by us acolytes. Nothing is thrown away.

 

[Knee V]

Catholic tribute worship of latria to the eucharistic kinds; we kneel before them. Do ortodox tribute for it worship of latria, or better worship of dylia?

The only thing that the Orthodox do with the Eucharist is consume it; we do not have adoration of the Eucharist.

 

[ArmyMatt]

According to catholic teachings, the bread turns into the flesh, bood, soul and divinity of Christ, and the same for the wine. Do ortodox think the same, or the bread is just the flesh and the wine is just the blood?

According to catholic teachings, the bread is not more bread, it is just all Christ, and the same for the wine: it is the teaching of transubstantiation. Do ortodox teach transubstantiation, or another doctrine as consubstantiation?

the Bread and the Wine become the Body and the Blood of Christ. how this happens we do not define like Rome does, but God knows. that really is all we can say.

Catholic tribute worship of latria to the eucharistic kinds; we kneel before them. Do ortodox tribute for it worship of latria, or better worship of dylia?

What happens when consagrated kinds are left over after eucharist? Do orthodox think that they are no more Christ, or Christ is himself still in the kinds? Do orthodox preserve the bread and the wine, or do they throw them away?

the Eucharist for us is meant to be consumed, like the Passover Lamb in the OT. so that which is not consumed during the service is normally done afterwards by either the deacon or the priest. I know some keep some extra near the alter for emergencies.

 

[ShanksForte]

The only thing that the Orthodox do with the Eucharist is consume it; we do not have adoration of the Eucharist.

Really? Why is that? Just curious.

 

[choirfiend]

Really? Why is that? Just curious.

Because the proper "use" of the Eucharist is consuming it. It is not to be put on display, because that betrays what Christ made it for--which is "take and eat."

 

[ArmyMatt]

Really? Why is that? Just curious.

because the command of Christ is to eat His Body and Drink His Blood. nowhere does He say to save it for any purpose other than being comsumed.

 

[Jeronimomoulia]

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[RobNJ]

I think orthodox doctrine is quite reasonable. Maybe catholic doctrine is excessive.

By George, I believe he's got it!!

 

[angrylittlefisherman]

I would say that we often will prostrate ourselves (Not on Sundays of course) before receiving. In my parish when the Preist says 'Changing them into the body and blood...etc" we either bow or prostrate. And some when it is brought "With fear and love draw nigh" prostrate or bow.

 

[Typikon]

Really? Why is that? Just curious.

As I understand it, the primary meaning of the Eucharist is not that bread and wine are changing into the Body and Blood of Christ but that that we are changing into Christ (think of theosis). In Divine Liturgy during epiclesis priest says: "Send down Thy Holy Ghost on us and on these gifts set before Thee" - this is in order of liturgic importance I guess. Under this view on the Eucharist it does not make sense to keep the Gifts after the Liturgy except for the cases of delivering them to those who is not able to attend, but again for their immediate consumption.

Similarly, adoration of the Gifts would not make much sense for us because the Gifts are not the Eucharist in its fullness, they are just means by which the Eucharist is fulfilled.

 

[Philothei]

There is also "reserved sacrament" in the "tabernacle" that is located in the altar. That is again preserved to be distributed and consumed by the sick people that the priest would commune in the hospitals and their homes. Nothing is thrown out. The reserved sacrament is to be consumed by the priest each year and there is new "body and blood" replaced each Holy Thursday. That sacrement is prepared differently as it has to be saved for the whole year. It is like an "emergency bank of the Eucarist" for us EO Christians. Part of this "sacrament" is kept in a special "priest's kit" that they have with them when they visit the sick.
Again I will echo all my fellow EO in saying we do not worship the sacrament but we commune it per Christ's own commandment to partake of this.

We do venerate it while we commune that is why many do kneel to partake it or bow while passing throuh the altar or the altar table esp. the acolytes have to do their cross.

 

[Michael G]

There is also "reserved sacrament" in the "tabernacle" that is located in the altar. That is again preserved to be distributed and consumed by the sick people that the priest would commune in the hospitals and their homes. Nothing is thrown out. The reserved sacrament is to be consumed by the priest each year and there is new "body and blood" replaced each Holy Thursday. That sacrement is prepared differently as it has to be saved for the whole year. It is like an "emergency bank of the Eucarist" for us EO Christians. Part of this "sacrament" is kept in a special "priest's kit" that they have with them when they visit the sick.
Again I will echo all my fellow EO in saying we do not worship the sacrament but we commune it per Christ's own commandment to partake of this.

We do venerate it while we commune that is why many do kneel to partake it or bow while passing throuh the altar or the altar table esp. the acolytes have to do their cross.

Yes there is, but that is VERY different from the practice of your average Roman Catholic Church that almost always has an entire ceborium full of consecrated Eucharist in the tabernacle at all times.

We also venerate the sacrament in that (atleast in the Russian tradition) we kiss the chalice after receiving the Eucharist.

 

[Philothei]

Yes there is, but that is VERY different from the practice of your average Roman Catholic Church that almost always has an entire ceborium full of consecrated Eucharist in the tabernacle at all times.

We also venerate the sacrament in that (atleast in the Russian tradition) we kiss the chalice after receiving the Eucharist.

Definitely the "reserved sacrament" is NOT for worshiping just consuming it And yes out of respect we do kiss the chalice as a sign of piety not worship. We kiss the same way we kiss the cross or the hand of the priest. And before anyone disagrees that is my personal opinion

 

[Jeronimomoulia]

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[Dorothea]

Some churches and parishioners kiss the chalice after partaking of his precious Body and Blood, and some don't. Either way is acceptable.

 

[Philothei]

In catholicism, eucharist is a mean of just sanctification, but in orthodoxy it is besides the breeding of eclessiological communion; in catholicism this is made by the ministry of the pope. In catholicism it is made by coertion, not by the action of the eucharist.

According of catholicism, eucharist is the main mean of sanctification, but sanctification for what? for sanctification itself. I think this is a source of spiritual illness, sanctification is just the obedience to God, so sacraments must lead to obedience to God according to their purposes: so eucharist leads to obey God through their body, the orthodox church.

As St. John Chrysostome puts it the Eucarist is the medicine of eternal life.... It is the core of our spiritual life it is the mean where we become ontologically (to the best way for our bodies are not of the same essence of God) but we partake of Christ's body. That is why it says who that takes my body and blood "stay" in me and I in him...That union is indeed of ontological nature and necessary. Not symbolic or a "general" call...But an individual for each Christian and at the same time a participation in the body of Christ and all of the members as members of the same body.

 

[MKJ]

As St. John Chrysostome puts it the Eucarist is the medicine of eternal life.... It is the core of our spiritual life it is the mean where we become ontologically (to the best way for our bodies are not of the same essence of God) but we partake of Christ's body. That is why it says who that takes my body and blood "stay" in me and I in him...That union is indeed of ontological nature and necessary. Not symbolic or a "general" call...But an individual for each Christian and at the same time a participation in the body of Christ and all of the members as members of the same body.

That's interesting - in our prayer before communion we say: "...Grant us therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of thy dear Son Jesus Christ, and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls washed through his most precious blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen."

It sounds like a very similar idea.