Questions About Hell

[Shrewd Manager]

Your right it isn't rocket science. God made things simple to confuse those who think they know everything.

Jesus does say He is God, of course, never said he didn't.
Yes, His name means salvation, for man will bend knee by His name.

God's desire for all men is to be saved. Yes.
Christ paid the price so that we can be saved yes.

No, Calvary wasn't the DOWNPAYMENT. It was paid in FULL at Calvary. When His last words "It is Finished" was spoken. Those words were used also in the market when people would bargain between one another for a price. Once the price was agreed on they would shake hands and say "It is Finished"

Christ paid the price so that we wouldn't have to.

All He ask of us is to Repent, place your trust in Him, Deny yourself and live a Holy and righteous life. To go forth and spread the Gospel. Not what people want to hear, but what God is telling us through His word.

God's WILL (thelema) is that all be saved. Jesus' mission is to save the world.

Many short-change these commitments. I prefer to give them full value in faith and hope, but hey I'm crazy like that.

 

[FineLinen]

God's WILL (thelema) is that all be saved. Jesus' mission is to save the world.

Many short-change these commitments. I prefer to give them full value in faith and hope, but hey I'm crazy like that.

Dear brother Crazy: I will join you in the Crazy Fellowship of those who actually believe our Father accomplishes His complete intention. He is not content to do only miracles, He allows nothing from those miraculous events to be lost, Nothing!

Whose will prevails?

The Creator or the created?

 

[smithed64]

When have I EVER claimed that God does not judge?

There is nothing safe or certain about living eternally in endless misery.
Can't even call that living.

Hard to imagine why anyone would accuse our loving heavenly Father of such atrocities.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

That is saying he doesn't according to you.
It's because he loves us that He judges us.

 

[smithed64]

Yes, I believe God is a just and righteous. When have I claimed anything different?

Define what you mean when you use the word "hell". What is it?
Do you mean eternal conscious torment with no hope of escape?

And do you believe in a God that would do such a thing?
Can you be sure that he won't do that to you as well?

Define what you mean when you use the word "hell". What is it?

Hell originally was created for the Devil and the angels that followed him.

It's not what i mean when using the word "hell", it's what Christ means? That's more important.
Jesus talks about hell more than he talks about heaven, and describes it more vividly. There’s no denying that Jesus knew, believed, and warned against the absolute reality of hell.

In Luke 16, he describes a great chasm over which “none may cross from there to us.” In Matthew 25, Jesus tells of a time when people will be separated into two groups, one entering into his presence, the other banished to “eternal fire.”

Jesus doesn’t only reference hell, he describes it in great detail. He says it is a place of eternal torment (Luke 16:23), of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43), where the worm does not die (Mark 9:48), where people will gnash their teeth in anguish and regret (Matt. 13:42), and from which there is no return, even to warn loved ones (Luke 16:19–31). He calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (Matt. 25:30), comparing it to “Gehenna” (Matt. 10:28), which was a trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem where rubbish was burned and maggots abounded.

Jesus has to talk about hell because it is the fate that awaits all people apart from him. Because of Adam’s sin, we’re all guilty and deserve God’s eternal punishment. Contrary to popular belief, hell is not a place where God sends those who have been especially bad; it’s our default destination. We need a rescuer or we stand condemned.

So we’re left with two options: stay in our state of depravity and be eternally punished, or submit to the Savior and accept his gift of redemption.

Do you mean eternal conscious torment with no hope of escape? Yes.

And do you believe in a God that would do such a thing? Jesus believed it...so yes I do.

Can you be sure that he won't do that to you as well?
I can be absolutely certain He won't do that to me. Because I am Born Again. I am His child. I have repented of my sins and continue to do so when I mess up. I have been bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ.
You and I can be absolutely certain He would. If you and I didn't repent of our sins. If I or anyone dies in their sins they are going to go to eternal torment, lake of fire,Hell, hades, Gehenna, they all mean the same thing.

 

[smithed64]

God's WILL (thelema) is that all be saved. Jesus' mission is to save the world.

Many short-change these commitments. I prefer to give them full value in faith and hope, but hey I'm crazy like that.

Your right, it is His will that all men be saved. He allows us to choose. Him or not.
That's God's love shown in full. He loves us so much that he's never push himself upon us.
I'm sure you've heard from a female friend or even a male friend of someone saying they love them, so much that they almost, if not completely, stalk them. sending flowers, notes, calling, texting and all that stuff. But your friend, or maybe even you have experienced this, tells this person...I don't love you, we're just friends, that's all I want.
Well if that person really loved the other one...they'd stop pushing themselves upon them, hoping to making the one they adore to love them. Which usually turns out pretty bad.

Well, that's how much God loves us. He gives us His Word that He loves us. He sent us love letters through His Word, telling us just how much He loves us. Even sent His son to die on that Cross because He loves us so much. But He doesn't make us love Him. He's a a perfect gentleman and will give those exactly what they want. Either a life eternal with Him and the Love He has for us. Or a life eternal without Him.

If you sin, you sin directly against Him. He hates sin, and the soul of the wicked all the day long.

He is a God of Love. But He is also a Righteous, Just and Caring God. He will righteously forgive us, Justly Judge us, and keep all His Caring promises He says.

Choice is ours.

 

[FineLinen]

Your right, it is His will that all men be saved. He allows us to choose. Him or not.

Dear Smithy: Evidently the qualifications for being a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ has changed.

You did not choose Me, I chose you.

 

[smithed64]

Dear Smithy: Evidently the qualifications for being a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ has changed.

You did not choose Me, I chose you.

Your right He does draw us near. He does this thru the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Which He is part of the Trinity of God.
God does call us all to be saved. It's up to us whether we will obey the call or not. Many won't, which is why the road to eternal punishment is so wide. Few will, is why the way is narrow and straignt to eternity with Christ.

No, qualifications still the same.
Realize you've sinned.
Repent of those sins.
Place your trust in Christ.
Live a life of Holiness.
Pray and obey the Word of God.
Spread the Gospel.

The only thing that has to do with qualifications, is Repentance. The rest comes because of His indwelling Spirit and you'll want to do the rest. Because you love Him so.

 

[FineLinen]

Your right He does draw us near.

Dear Smithy: You stated....

"Your right, it is His will that all men be saved. He allows us to choose. Him or not."

Follow the bouncing ball Smithy.

"You

did not

choose Me..."

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Smithy: You stated....

"Your right, it is His will that all men be saved. He allows us to choose. Him or not."

Follow the bouncing ball Smithy.

"You

did not

choose Me..."

Which bring us to His will (His thelo).

Whose will prevails? The will of grass or the Will of all wills?

 

[SkyWriting]

1. As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)

Yup.
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

 

[SkyWriting]

If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?

I guess not:

Job 37:23
The Almighty—we cannot find him; he is great in power; justice and abundant righteousness he will not violate.

 

[SkyWriting]

Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?

If they desire fairness.

In hell do we want to get off easy for killing somebody?
Just a scolding in hell?
Not get supper?

 

[SkyWriting]

As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?

Indeed!

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

 

[SkyWriting]

If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)

Ludacris!

John 3:16
“For God so loved

the world,

that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

 

[SkyWriting]

As "love thinketh no evil," can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul?

Robots, Sex Slaves,
or the option of evil.

God allows for evil to exist by His choice.

 

[SkyWriting]

As "love worketh no ill," can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)

Romans 13:10
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

What is your native language again?

 

[SkyWriting]

As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)

Men are not Gods.


I am tired of this unfinished homework assignment, youngster.

 

[Saint Steven]

Define what you mean when you use the word "hell". What is it?

Hell originally was created for the Devil and the angels that followed him.

It's not what i mean when using the word "hell", it's what Christ means? That's more important.
Jesus talks about hell more than he talks about heaven, and describes it more vividly. There’s no denying that Jesus knew, believed, and warned against the absolute reality of hell.

In Luke 16, he describes a great chasm over which “none may cross from there to us.” In Matthew 25, Jesus tells of a time when people will be separated into two groups, one entering into his presence, the other banished to “eternal fire.”

Jesus doesn’t only reference hell, he describes it in great detail. He says it is a place of eternal torment (Luke 16:23), of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43), where the worm does not die (Mark 9:48), where people will gnash their teeth in anguish and regret (Matt. 13:42), and from which there is no return, even to warn loved ones (Luke 16:19–31). He calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (Matt. 25:30), comparing it to “Gehenna” (Matt. 10:28), which was a trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem where rubbish was burned and maggots abounded.

Jesus has to talk about hell because it is the fate that awaits all people apart from him. Because of Adam’s sin, we’re all guilty and deserve God’s eternal punishment. Contrary to popular belief, hell is not a place where God sends those who have been especially bad; it’s our default destination. We need a rescuer or we stand condemned.

So we’re left with two options: stay in our state of depravity and be eternally punished, or submit to the Savior and accept his gift of redemption.

Do you mean eternal conscious torment with no hope of escape? Yes.

And do you believe in a God that would do such a thing? Jesus believed it...so yes I do.

Can you be sure that he won't do that to you as well?
I can be absolutely certain He won't do that to me. Because I am Born Again. I am His child. I have repented of my sins and continue to do so when I mess up. I have been bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ.
You and I can be absolutely certain He would. If you and I didn't repent of our sins. If I or anyone dies in their sins they are going to go to eternal torment, lake of fire,Hell, hades, Gehenna, they all mean the same thing.

What do you like best about hell? (since it is so dear to you)

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Your right, it is His will that all men be saved. He allows us to choose. Him or not.
That's God's love shown in full. He loves us so much that he's never push himself upon us.

So when Hosea sells it all to buy back his worthless harlot bride who's rejected him, that's allowing her to choose? When God sends his suffering servant to liberate the captives, free the slaves and restore sight to the blind, that allows them to choose? Can the clay say 'nyetski' to the potter? Can the V8 refuse to be souped up? Das ist nicht!

But your friend, or maybe even you have experienced this, tells this person...I don't love you, we're just friends, that's all I want.
Well if that person really loved the other one...they'd stop pushing themselves upon them, hoping to making the one they adore to love them. Which usually turns out pretty bad.

This is more the case of someone running towards a cliff. 'You do know there's a cliff?', you inquire. 'Why, I refuse to believe', they respond as they gallop gaily gravewards. What does love do there? YOU JUMP UP AND TACKLE THE IDIOT TO THE GROUND!

He's a a perfect gentleman and will give those exactly what they want. Either a life eternal with Him and the Love He has for us. Or a life eternal without Him.

Nope, He loves us with a passion and commitment beyond our imagining. Jealous protective fatherly husbandly, friendship love. Unbreakable. Consider the extremes to which He goes to get that message across.

Man, ya gotta get it. This is true love. It's so dynamic and powerful it will move heaven and earth to save us. Passionate, tender, devoted, consistent, all-consuming, self-sacrificial, ever-forgiving etc. He is the source of all these awesome gifts. That's the FIRE of His love, from the core of His being. Heart and soul.

 

[SkyWriting]

What do you like best about hell? (since it is so dear to you)

I don't like the cold in Wisconsin.