Questions About Hell

[FineLinen]

Dear Smithy: Have you managed to explore the koine of the worship In/En the Name of all names?

You need to take a wee look at the koine of Phil. 2. The worship of all beings in all dimensions is In/ En the Name of Jesus NOT at the sound of His Name!

 

[smithed64]

Dear Smithy: Bingo!

You then should be aware of the fact that the polus (many) "made sinners" are the precise many/ polus "made righteous" ! ! !

The Divine Equation = the polus made sinners = the polus made righteous.

Wrong
You are not made into righteousness, Until you receive the righteousness imputed on you Through Christ.

The many who are born into sin, which is every single person born. Still have to repent for their sins to be saved. Except for newborns, children who do not know the difference between right and wrong. I don't know the answer to this except that David said that He would met His Son after His death. Beings David was a man after His own Heart, I believe David to have went to Glory, where His son is.
But when a person, no matter the age, Transgresses the laws of God, the 10. That is the definition of Sin. And know they have done wrong, otherwise knew they ought not have done what they have done, many know they ought not have, because they lie or cover it up as if they did nothing wrong Like Cain and Abel. But God knew. So Cain was punished for it. They must repent of their sins, turn away from sin and this world, Deny themselves and pick up that cross. Trusting Christ as their savior. And live a life of Holiness with the Spirit leading. Saying to God "Thy will be done." instead of "My will be done."

 

[smithed64]

Philippians 2:9-12 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;


Romans 14:11-12 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
11 For it is written,

“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall [a]give praise to God.”

12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.

Philippians tells us that everyone shall bend knee, correct. The ones who are righteous and those who are in their sins. To proclaim Jesus Christ is the Lord. Where there will no longer be any doubt to who He is, by anyone.
We are to work out our salvation, doesn't mean your earn it by works. It means for us to be vigilante and studying the Word of God, examining ourselves to the Word, not trying to make the Word match us. For none of us are good, nor righteous enough for that.

Romans tells the same thing, but this is on how He lives, not just His name. And everyone, will give an account of himself to God. Hence Judgement of our deeds. Whether we repented of our sins, Placed our trust in Christ. Or keep to our selfish, prideful ways, thinking we are right, which we aren't.

Dear Smithy: I will ask you again. When did you decide to be "made" a sinner?

You need to take a wee look at the koine of Phil. 2. The worship of all beings in all dimensions is In/ En the Name of Jesus NOT at the sound of His Name!

I did, I gave you both instances where God says this. One is by His name Phil 2;9-12, the other is by His Life. Romans 14:11-12

 

[smithed64]

Dear Smithy: Bingo!

You then should be aware of the fact that the polus (many) "made sinners" are the precise many/ polus "made righteous" ! ! !

The Divine Equation = the polus made sinners = the polus made righteous.

No.
I'll pray for you linen. May God the real God, open your heart and mind to the truth.
God Bless

 

[FineLinen]

No.
I'll pray for you linen. May God the real God, open your heart and mind to the truth.
God Bless

Dear Smithy: You can "no" till the cows come home.

The fact remains > > >

Many = many ...All = all...polus = polus

The polus made sinners = the polus made righteous.

 

[Saint Steven]

Saint Steven, your god must not be just, righteous and good.

What are you inferring about me with that comment? (we have rules around here)

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Love to Brother,

The beginning was His perfect design. Not His salvation. there was was no need for salvation in the beginning, sin had not entered the picture.
The end is judgement, then destruction, then the rebuilding of the earth and the New Kingdom.

What are we saved from?

Thanks for sharing your opinions bro. But doesn't Jesus say he is the alpha and omega? And doesn't his name Yahushua mean God's Salvation? So he's saying precisely that God's salvation is the plan and God's salvation is the fulfillment, is he not?

God always knew that creation would need saving from sin and death, and His unchanging plan is to do just that by eradicating sin and death. Calvary is the downpayment.

Come on brother it's not rocket surgery.

 

[FineLinen]

Wrong
You are not made into righteousness, Until you receive the righteousness imputed on you Through Christ.

Dear Saint Paul: This is to advise you that Smithy says you are wrong, there is no such thing as being "made righteous". One can be accounted righteous (justification by faith) but that is it.

Adam 1 = the polus "made sinners" >>>>

Last Adam = the same polus "made righteous."

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

 

[smithed64]

There is nothing safe or certain about living eternally in endless misery.
Can't even call that living.

Hard to imagine why anyone would accuse our loving heavenly Father of such atrocities.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

This the quote in question, I responded to.

What are you inferring about me with that comment? (we have rules around here)

God either judges or He doesn't judge, which one is it?

If you say He judges, then your correct.
If you say He doesn't, then you are creating your own god.

I formed that in the wrong way, Maybe I should have did this.

Saint Steven, I the God you believe in a just and righteous God?
If He is, then people who die in their sin will face judgement and be sent to Hell. It's not an accusation when the one who does the actions vehemently says He will do such a thing.
If He isn't, then you are making up a god to fit you.

 

[smithed64]

Thanks for sharing your opinions bro. But doesn't Jesus say he is the alpha and omega? And doesn't his name Yahushua mean God's Salvation? So he's saying precisely that God's salvation is the plan and God's salvation is the fulfillment, is he not?

God always knew that creation would need saving from sin and death, and His unchanging plan is to do just that by eradicating sin and death. Calvary is the downpayment.

Come on brother it's not rocket surgery.

Your right it isn't rocket science. God made things simple to confuse those who think they know everything.

Jesus does say He is God, of course, never said he didn't.
Yes, His name means salvation, for man will bend knee by His name.

God's desire for all men is to be saved. Yes.
Christ paid the price so that we can be saved yes.

No, Calvary wasn't the DOWNPAYMENT. It was paid in FULL at Calvary. When His last words "It is Finished" was spoken. Those words were used also in the market when people would bargain between one another for a price. Once the price was agreed on they would shake hands and say "It is Finished"

Christ paid the price so that we wouldn't have to.

All He ask of us is to Repent, place your trust in Him, Deny yourself and live a Holy and righteous life. To go forth and spread the Gospel. Not what people want to hear, but what God is telling us through His word.

 

[smithed64]

Dear Saint Paul: This is to advise you that Smithy says you are wrong, there is no such thing as being "made righteous". One can be accounted righteous (justification by faith) but that is it.

Adam 1 = the polus "made sinners" >>>>

Last Adam = the same polus "made righteous."

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

Romans 5:19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

LOL...did you read the whole chapter linen.

You went straight to the end of the Chapter, giving the results of what Paul was speaking about.
From 1-18. Is about Justification.

Again, you keep taking things out of Context. Picking and choosing scripture to fit your narrative, doesn't make what you say to be true. Matter of fact it discredits you.

 

[smithed64]

Dear Smithy: You can "no" till the cows come home.

The fact remains > > >

Many = many ...All = all...polus = polus

The polus made sinners = the polus made righteous.

I say no, because this has become a circular conversation.
You take things out of context. Lie to people using your non contextual explanation.
Trying to confuse people with your nonsensical so called Greek translations and words.

Love ya Bro, In Christ.
Time to quit casting the pearls.

God Bless

 

[FineLinen]

Saint Steven, I the God you believe in a just and righteous God?
If He is, then people who die in their sin will face judgement and be sent to Hell.

I also have full confidence in the Father of all fathers. He brings every last child of His through all needed correction to change and transformation & the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

Every individual faces ktisis (judgement).

EVERY! ! !

"Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

 

[FineLinen]

Romans 5:19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

LOL...did you read the whole chapter linen.

You went straight to the end of the Chapter, giving the results of what Paul was speaking about.
From 1-18. Is about Justification.

Again, you keep taking things out of Context. Picking and choosing scripture to fit your narrative, doesn't make what you say to be true. Matter of fact it discredits you.

Dear Smithy: as a matter of fact I have indeed read the entire chapter, and the letter in which it is a part many many times.

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5 - King James Version

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

 

[FineLinen]

The ghastly hell dogma

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part One

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part Two

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part Three

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part Four

 

[smithed64]

The ghastly hell dogma

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part One

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part Two

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part Three

Understanding the Foundations of Eternal Conscious Torment – Part Four

Just have to. I tried not to but have to.

Part One, your author thereluctantherticl7...Wants to show the History of how Mankind came up with the idea of Hell.
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It seems to me that in order to understand the dogmatic premise of an eternal, conscious, never-ending hell of torments, it is necessary to go back into history, to establish its foundational seeds, and to find how and where it geminated, who watered it, and how it grew into a full-fledged fence full of theological poison ivy.

He fails to mention that punishment starts and is shown from the beginning, by God. Oh yeah, this is just part one of the fantasy and complete heresy he speaks of in his unbiblical and may i say, Satanic attack on God's Word.

Part Two.
He says it was mankind that came up with the idea of Hell. To keep the masses in check and to have power over them. Because they can think and are smarter than the average orthodox preacher. I'm paraphasing of course. Here's what He says at the end of part two.

You warn them that if they do not obey you and everything you teach, there will be hell to pay – forever! Unlike death, which is over in a second and then you are with God, hell and its tortures will go on and on and on and on. So to keep people in line and to be sure that they are plenty scared of it, you paint the most gruesome verbal pictures imaginable of the nature of that torment which will go on forever in the next life. With the great majority of men unable to even read for over sixteen centuries, in the hands of certain leaders, the Sacred Scriptures went from Good News of salvation to Weapon of Unquestioning Obedience. This is what is waiting for you, you rotten rebel, if you don’t obey me!

Christ spoke more of Hell than he did Heaven. Why? Because He doesn't want anyone to go there, It's the reason why He died on the cross.

You see, when you read this garbage and believe it. Then you take Christ down from the cross, you say it's all a lie, that God is a liar, That Christ died for us for absolutely no reason.

Part three is about Augustine and just got a headache from all the garbage this man was spewing didn't even bother to read part four.


Linen, you've been duped and lied to. I hope in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. You read the book you claim to know. But this time, Let God show you the truth of His Word.

I know i'm coming down harsh. It's meant to. This kind of garbage has permeated the Church and has destroyed many of churches. It's a flat lie.

God is Love, therefore He disciplines
God is Just, therefore He judges
God is righteous, therefore He condemns the unrighteous.

Once you die linen, there is no second chances, there is no.."let's wait they'll come to their senses and accept God." Doesn't work that way. Ever.

This is my last response to you. I have told you the truth of God's word. If you continue to reject that, then that is between you and the Real God, Jesus Christ and the Father. It's in his hands now.

Love ya in Christ. Will keep you in my prayers. God Bless.

If anyone gets offended. Then don't get offended at me. God is the truth. take it up to Him.

 

[FineLinen]

Just have to. I tried not to but have to.

It seems to me that in order to understand the dogmatic premise of an eternal, conscious, never-ending hell of torments, it is necessary to go back into history, to establish its foundational seeds, and to find how and where it geminated, who watered it, and how it grew into a full-fledged fence full of theological poison ivy.

Dear Smithy: You have tried, but alas your fascination with a being intent on tormenting his creation holds lustre for you. Wake up Smithy, our Heavenly Master and Father will do no such thing!

The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, EVER!

 

[Saint Steven]

If you say He judges, then your correct.
If you say He doesn't, then you are creating your own god.

When have I EVER claimed that God does not judge?

 

[Saint Steven]

Saint Steven, I the God you believe in a just and righteous God?
If He is, then people who die in their sin will face judgement and be sent to Hell. It's not an accusation when the one who does the actions vehemently says He will do such a thing.
If He isn't, then you are making up a god to fit you.

Yes, I believe God is a just and righteous. When have I claimed anything different?

Define what you mean when you use the word "hell". What is it?
Do you mean eternal conscious torment with no hope of escape?

And do you believe in a God that would do such a thing?
Can you be sure that he won't do that to you as well?

 

[FineLinen]

THE BIBLE HELL
The words rendered hell in the bible, sheol, hadees, tartarus, and gehenna,
shown to denote a state of temporal duration.

All the texts containing the word examined and explained in harmony
with the doctrine of universal salvation. -J.W. Hanson D.D.-

Beacon - Ministries / Grace Bible Fellowship