Questions About Hell

[Neogaia777]

Dear Neo: I informed my precious wife of over 1/2 a century that everybody hates me.

Her response =

Everybody has not met you yet.

Again, Love You Brother!

And "Amen" as well,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Dear Neo: I informed my precious wife of over 1/2 a century that everybody hates me.

Her response =

Everybody has not met you yet.

Oh, and, great congratulations on that over half a century as well, cause that's no small feat, etc.

Anyway, Much Love in Christ to You,

God Bless!

 

[FineLinen]

Oh, and, great congratulations on that over half a century as well, cause that's no small feat, etc.

Anyway, Much Love in Christ to You,

God Bless!

Dear Neo: I do appreciate your kind words.

I met this precious lady in a wee Gospel church called Hope Gospel where the vast emptiness of my young life came to an end the very first time I heard that our Father loves me.

The steadfast love of God NEVER ceases, His mercy is without end.

 

[Neogaia777]

Dear Neo: I do appreciate your kind words.

I met this precious lady in a wee Gospel church called Hope Gospel where the vast emptiness of my young life came to an end the very first time I heard that our Father loves me.

The steadfast love of God NEVER ceases, His mercy is without end.

And He most certainly does and Loves all of us.

God Bless!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

It's very clear that the Bible talks about some humans (and not just fallen angels only) but some humans here, from this life here, being selected and made to suffer in an eternal fire and/or torment that is like a fire, or lake of fire, etc, that is to last forever and is never to be put out ever, etc, and that feels like being eternally burned in a tormenting fire but never burns them up, and lasts forvever, etc...

The fire purifies. It is a baptism of fire. Jesus saves, salvation is God's right arm. God makes everything new from Rev 21:5. This includes the making reprobates new men in Christ, so they can be found in the book of life. For God is the god of the living, and His judgments are righteous because they set things right.

 

[Neogaia777]

The fire purifies. It is a baptism of fire. Jesus saves, salvation is God's right arm. God makes everything new from Rev 21:5. This includes the making reprobates new men in Christ, so they can be found in the book of life. For God is the god of the living, and His judgments are righteous because they set things right.

The fire of the Holy Spirit and the fires of Hell in the life after this life are two very different things though. One is meant to purify and make better here in this life, and the other is meant to torment in a certain kind of life some people go to after this life, or after this life is over, etc. They are two totally different kinds of fire with two totally different purposes, and very different effects/affects, etc.

See my thread going on here (below) if you want to... It might shine some light on the subject maybe, etc...?

Heaven or Hell...?

God Bless!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

The fire of the Holy Spirit and the fires of Hell in the life after this life are two very different things though. One is meant to purify and make better here in this life, and the other is meant to torment in a certain kind of life some people go to after this life, or after this life is over, etc. They are two totally different kinds of fire with two totally different purposes, and very different effects/affects, etc.

See my thread going on here (below) if you want to... It might shine some light on the subject maybe, etc...?

Heaven or Hell...?

God Bless!

Well, why do you think that the baptism of fire and the spirit that occurs when individuals are saved is any different except in scale to the lake of fire when God renews all things?

Thanks for the link to your thoughts in the other thread. You seem to be struggling with the idea that a good God could predestine ppl to eternal damnation. It's impossible for God to be good and to do such a thing. It would be incoherent, hypocritical and illogical. It would require us to put evil for good. So I'd say your theology is wanting.

As Abraham Lincoln said, either God saves everyone or He saves no one. And Jesus' mission is to save the world, not to condemn it. So is he victorious?

The lake of fire is His final remedy for the unrepentant sinner.

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, why do you think that the baptism of fire and the spirit that occurs when individuals are saved is any different except in scale to the lake of fire when God renews all things?

Well, the fire is really no different really, since if you read my other thread completely, it is just more of this life, just that it's "forever", etc... but it is for two totally different purposes or goals and/or ends, etc... one is meant to make a person better and prepare or qualify them for Heaven, while with or for the others, it serves no real divine purpose or ultimate goal in their case or cases, and even their existences even serves no real divine purpose or divine goal other then to make or cause the ones who will go to or be qualified for Heaven "manifest", etc...

Thanks for the link to your thoughts in the other thread. You seem to be struggling with the idea that a good God could predestine ppl to eternal damnation. It's impossible for God to be good and to do such a thing. It would be incoherent, hypocritical and illogical. It would require us to put evil for good. So I'd say your theology is wanting.

For God to be truly omniscient, or all knowing, He would have to have already determined or predetermined or predestinated all, see this post (below) in that thread here (below)...

Heaven or Hell...?

As Abraham Lincoln said, either God saves everyone or He saves no one.

No offense, but as far as I know Abraham Lincoln was not all-knowing, as far as I know anyway...

And Jesus' mission is to save the world, not to condemn it. So is he victorious?

It was His hope that all could maybe be saved, but even He also didn't know whether it would be many or all or few either, but He said "only the Father knows that" or is the only One who always and already knew that from the very beginning, or from before the beginning, etc...

So it still remains to be seen if it will be all or many or few, etc...

The lake of fire is His final remedy for the unrepentant sinner.

The Lake of fire is for the ones who are only meant for, or ever only ever were only meant for, from the beginning, etc, but, anyway, The lake of fire is for the ones who are only meant for just only more of this kind of life only, and/or this or these kinds of lives or existences only, "ever", and "forever", etc...

Again, the thread that I linked...

You yourself said that the fires were no different, or that they were the same things, etc, same fire or fires, etc, and I think my thread explains that thoroughly, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Well, the fire is really no different really, since if you read my other thread completely, it is just more of this life, just that it's "forever", etc... but it is for two totally different purposes or goals and/or ends, etc... one is meant to make a person better and prepare or qualify them for Heaven, while with or for the others, it serves no real divine purpose or ultimate goal in their case or cases, and even their existences even serves no real divine purpose or divine goal other then to make or cause the ones who will go to or be qualified for Heaven "manifest", etc...

With respect, your posts are mainly opinion. The divine purpose is as per 1 Cor 15:27-8:

For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

If you don't understand what Paul's talking about, there's plenty of good stuff explaining it. I'm not sure where you get the notion that God does things by halves, or Jesus just hopes for ppl to follow him. It shows a lack of appreciation as to the length, breadth and height of the project. Jesus at Calvary overcame death and defeated the devil for all time. He has the keys to death and Hades. Jesus saves, God gives life. Even when He destroys, it's always for an ultimate restorative purpose.

As all things proceed from God, so to Him all shall return. The time of restoration of all things was always the 'Hebrew hope'. See, for example, Acts 3:21, Matt 19:28. There's no 'making all things new' if the old things are still burning alive in the basement.

Holy fire purifies. This purpose is evidenced by the return of the nations repentant in Rev 21:24-26 for healing in Rev 22:2.

I only quoted Abraham Lincoln because he's showing how it's an elementary logical operation to grasp that a good God cannot consign His creation to eternal damnation.

Good does not equal evil, except in a theology which bears Satan's fingerprints.

 

[Neogaia777]

With respect, your posts are mainly opinion. The divine purpose is as per 1 Cor 15:27-8:

For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

If you don't understand what Paul's talking about, there's plenty of good stuff explaining it. I'm not sure where you get the notion that God does things by halves, or Jesus just hopes for ppl to follow him. It shows a lack of appreciation as to the length, breadth and height of the project. Jesus at Calvary overcame death and defeated the devil for all time. He has the keys to death and Hades. Jesus saves, God gives life. Even when He destroys, it's always for an ultimate restorative purpose.

As all things proceed from God, so to Him all shall return. The time of restoration of all things was always the 'Hebrew hope'. See, for example, Acts 3:21, Matt 19:28. There's no 'making all things new' if the old things are still burning alive in the basement.

Holy fire purifies. This purpose is evidenced by the return of the nations repentant in Rev 21:24-26 for healing in Rev 22:2.

I only quoted Abraham Lincoln because he's showing how it's an elementary logical operation to grasp that a good God cannot consign His creation to eternal damnation.

Good does not equal evil, except in a theology which bears Satan's fingerprints.

And those are only your opinions, etc...

Jesus said that it was "possible" that all could be saved, but also that with certain things, like with who or how many could or would be saved for sure, etc, were only in the Father's full knowledge and full scope or grasp of knowing from before the beginning, etc...

Anyway, I can't invest too much time in this right now and am doing this from my phone, with which it makes it difficult to find and/or quote scripture right now, but I know that I am right, etc...

I might be able to give some more later, like tomorrow or something maybe, etc, OK...?

Goodnight and,

God Bless!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

And those are only your opinions, etc...

Well, no, I just quoted the scripture. Are you saying that's not God's plan?!

Jesus said that it was "possible" that all could be saved, but also that with certain things, like with who or how many could or would be saved for sure, etc, were only in the Father's full knowledge and full scope or grasp of knowing from before the beginning, etc...

Anyway, I can't invest too much time in this right now and am doing this from my phone, with which it makes it difficult to find and/or quote scripture right now, but I know that I am right, etc...

I might be able to give some more later, like tomorrow or something maybe, etc, OK...?

Ok Neogaia777, take care brother.

 

[Neogaia777]

With respect, your posts are mainly opinion. The divine purpose is as per 1 Cor 15:27-8:

For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

If you don't understand what Paul's talking about, there's plenty of good stuff explaining it. I'm not sure where you get the notion that God does things by halves, or Jesus just hopes for ppl to follow him. It shows a lack of appreciation as to the length, breadth and height of the project. Jesus at Calvary overcame death and defeated the devil for all time. He has the keys to death and Hades. Jesus saves, God gives life. Even when He destroys, it's always for an ultimate restorative purpose.

As all things proceed from God, so to Him all shall return. The time of restoration of all things was always the 'Hebrew hope'. See, for example, Acts 3:21, Matt 19:28. There's no 'making all things new' if the old things are still burning alive in the basement.

Holy fire purifies. This purpose is evidenced by the return of the nations repentant in Rev 21:24-26 for healing in Rev 22:2.

I only quoted Abraham Lincoln because he's showing how it's an elementary logical operation to grasp that a good God cannot consign His creation to eternal damnation.

Good does not equal evil, except in a theology which bears Satan's fingerprints.

Well, no, I just quoted the scripture. Are you saying that's not God's plan?!



Ok Neogaia777, take care brother.

OK, just one last thing, K, in response to your previous post again, K...?

One, all things subjected does not mean all things saved, or spared, etc, and then anything in or after Revelation 21 is a "whole new creation after this whole entire creation has been ended or is done away with completely, etc, after the final judgment, etc... The nations that are restored after that are because they are totally new and redone and remade in a whole new creation after that or after all of the old ones in the creation prior to that have been completely done away with and/or finished, or are brought to their completion, etc, and we have reached both the end of, not only armageddon (end of day 6), but also after the rule a reign of Christ after it/that (has ended, end of day 7), etc, and are at the total complete and completed total end of a whole entire creation, or the very end of this creation, etc, and are (again) at the beginning of a whole new and completely different and restarted and completely reset new one, or new creation, has begun etc, on even (of under) a "completely new heaven and completely new earth" now, after that, or after Revelation 21, etc...

Anyway, got to try and call it a night for me if I can, but might still check in (or might not) anyway, goodnight man,

God Bless!

 

[FineLinen]

With respect, your posts are mainly opinion. The divine purpose is as per 1 Cor 15:27-8:

For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

If you don't understand what Paul's talking about, there's plenty of good stuff explaining it. I'm not sure where you get the notion that God does things by halves, or Jesus just hopes for ppl to follow him. It shows a lack of appreciation as to the length, breadth and height of the project. Jesus at Calvary overcame death and defeated the devil for all time. He has the keys to death and Hades. Jesus saves, God gives life. Even when He destroys, it's always for an ultimate restorative purpose.

As all things proceed from God, so to Him all shall return. The time of restoration of all things was always the 'Hebrew hope'. See, for example, Acts 3:21, Matt 19:28. There's no 'making all things new' if the old things are still burning alive in the basement.

Holy fire purifies. This purpose is evidenced by the return of the nations repentant in Rev 21:24-26 for healing in Rev 22:2.

I only quoted Abraham Lincoln because he's showing how it's an elementary logical operation to grasp that a good God cannot consign His creation to eternal damnation.

Good does not equal evil, except in a theology which bears Satan's fingerprints.

Dear Shrewd: Our God indeed does not do things in halves. What He begins as Author He completes as Finisher. He is the A & O of ta pante.

For any that cannot grasp the radical all of pas, the super radical "the all" of ta pante will be a mite staggering to say the least.

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, in Him the all ends, Source, Guide, Goal of ta pante.

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, no, I just quoted the scripture. Are you saying that's not God's plan?!



Ok Neogaia777, take care brother.

Thanks man, you take care too K...

Goodnight,

God Bless!

 

[FineLinen]

OK, just one last thing, K, in response to your previous post again, K...?

One, all things subjected does not mean all things saved, or spared, etc,

Dear Neo: That is precvisely what it means! The subjection of the radical all of the heavens, the earth & the underworld is in union with the Name of all names IN/EN the Name, NOT by perfunctory genuflections "at" the Name, but worship by all beings in ALL dimensions of our Fathers World.

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension IN union with Him.

 

[Neogaia777]

Dear Neo: That is precvisely what it means! The subjection of the radical all of the heavens, the earth & the underworld is in union with the Name of all names IN/EN the Name, NOT by perfunctory genuflections "at" the Name, but worship by all beings in ALL dimensions of our Fathers World.

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension IN union with Him.

The entire creation is already now "subject" to Him, but not all serve or worship Him, so not all are saved (yet), etc, or it still remains to be seen at least, etc...

God Bless!

 

[FineLinen]

The entire creation is already now "subject" to Him, but not all serve Him, so not all are saved (yet), etc, or it still remains to be seen at least, etc...

God Bless!

Dear Neo: The entire creation is out of wack with Him (including vast areas of Xianity). Those who serve Him are the elect first fruits of the malista who have the Father's Name in their foreheads and have made a covenant with Him, by Him and for Him. We have not entered the final stage just yet which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

 

[Neogaia777]

The entire creation is already now "subject" to Him, but not all serve or worship Him, so not all are saved (yet), etc, or it still remains to be seen at least, etc...

God Bless!

@FineLinen

And I have serious doubts about "all" coming into the full knowledge of God and/or "all" coming to serving and obeying and worshiping Him, but I guess you could say it's "possible" I guess, but just not very likely in my view, but then again, "what do I know", etc...

"Remains to be seen" is about all I can say for now, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Dear Neo: The entire creation is out of wack with Him (including vast areas of Xianity). Those who serve Him are the elect first fruits of the malista who have the Father's Name in their foreheads and have made a covenant with Him, by Him and for Him. We have not entered the final stage just yet which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

Love You Brother!

God Bless!

 

[FineLinen]

@FineLinen

And I have serious doubts about "all" coming into the full knowledge of God and/or "all" coming to serving and obeying and worshiping Him, but I guess you could say it's "possible" I guess, but just not very likely in my view, but then again, "what do I know", etc...

"Remains to be seen" is about all I can say for now, etc...

God Bless!

My friend, I have ZERO doubts! The ta pante shall be restored to ALL they have lost in the fall of Adam1.

“The times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets…”

And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto You: Whom the heavens must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21).

Peter’s statement speaks clearly of the times of the restitution of all things. Restitution, according to the best English usage, means the act of restoring something that has been taken away or lost; the act of making good or rendering an equivalent as for loss or injury. (Funk and Wagnall’s Dictionary)

This is in exact harmony with the Greek work temuriak which means restoration.

Some will no doubt reply to this by stating, as many do, that Peter was not promising that God would restore everything but only those things of which the prophets had spoken. I wish, however, to show as clearly as possible that the grammatical construction of this sentence declares the exact opposite to be the truth. I mean that Peter was actually saying that all the prophets from the beginning of the world had prophesied that there would be a restoration of all things and that the restoration would indeed be universal and would include all things.

You will notice that in the scripture quoted (Acts 3:21, King James Version) there is a comma after the word things. This comma indicates that the clause following : “which God hath spoken by the mouth of His holy prophets since the world began” – is what is known as a non-restrictive clause. A non-restrictive clause is one which can be omitted without changing or destroying the meaning of the principal clause or main statement. (See Mastering Effective English by Tressler-Lewis, Revised Edition, Pages 545-546.) It simply adds further information.

Now read the scripture, omitting the clause in question, and you will find the meaning is clearly stated and nothing of the sense is destroyed. If this clause were modifying the word things, it would be restrictive and no comma would be used. -George Hawtin-