Questions about Evidence

[TLK Valentine]

The lines speak of molecular interconnectedness.

Like telephone lines connecting us to every house in the city.

I believe apes were created on one part of the earth, while Adam was created on another part of the earth on the same day.

So its in your best interest to discourage others form finding lines, and to treat the dots as nothing more than random unconnected events.

 

[TLK Valentine]

How effective was Jesus at testifying of His messiahship?

More effective than anyone in the history of the world... and he only had half a Bible to work with.

 

[AV1611VET]

So its in your best interest to discourage others form finding lines,

I think the lines are already found and drawn ... don't you?

Aren't they called cladograms or something?

... and to treat the dots as nothing more than random unconnected events.

Since I believe God is our common designer, I wouldn't call them "random unconnected events."

I certainly believe they were events (ex materia by divine fiat).

I certainly believe they are unconnected (unless you want to factor in the dust of the earth, but that's showing desperation).

But "random"?

No.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think the lines are already found and drawn ... don't you?

Aren't they called cladograms or something?


Since I believe God is our common designer, I wouldn't call them "random unconnected events."

I certainly believe they were events (ex materia by divine fiat).

I certainly believe they are unconnected (unless you want to factor in the dust of the earth, but that's showing desperation).

But "random"?

No.

Random indeed. The Bible says that God created the animals to attempt to find a suitable helper for Adam.

But why do they look the way they do? Why did they look so similar? Why did it take God so many times to get it right with Eve?

 

[AV1611VET]

Random indeed. The Bible says that God created the animals to attempt to find a suitable helper for Adam.

Then why did He keep them?

But why do they look the way they do?

Designer's choice?

Why did they look so similar?

Ontological reduction?

What do you want?

Earth to look like an intergalactic bar in Star Wars?

Why did it take God so many times to get it right with Eve?

One is 'so many times'?

God paraded the animals past Adam for two reasons:

1. So Adam could name them.
2. Generate in Adam the concept of needing a help meet.

Can't you see Adam back then?

"Mr & Mrs Gorilla"

"Mr & Mrs Giraffe"

"Mr & Mrs Horse"

[thinking to himself]: "Hmmm. Something's missing and I can't quite put my rib on it."

 

[Davian]

Oh ... I think I can come up with a difference between the Bible and religion.

<looks, see nothing>

And I can use gravity as an example too!

Indeed. The Bible could not support evolutionary theory without the existence of gravity.

(they would just float away)

 

[AV1611VET]

LOL

The ESV?

Good choice.

Darwinism (evolution) was evolving during this time, and Hort eagerly supported the anti-Bible teachings of Darwin.

The Truth about the English subStandard Version

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then why did He keep them?

To satisfy the one power in the Bible that's even greater than God -- the Narrative.

The Hebrews who heard this story wanted to know where the animals came from... the story provides an answer.

Designer's choice?


Ontological reduction?

Capricious and arbitrary; as close to random as an intelligence cam get.

What do you want?

Earth to look like an intergalactic bar in Star Wars?

Why shouldn't it?

One is 'so many times'?

God made a lot more than one animal, AV.

God paraded the animals past Adam for two reasons:

1. So Adam could name them.
2. Generate in Adam the concept of needing a help meet.

1. Why make them in the first place?
2. God had already decided to do it; why would He need Adam's approval?

Can't you see Adam back then?

No I can't; I wasn't there. Were you?

"Mr & Mrs Gorilla"

"Mr & Mrs Giraffe"

"Mr & Mrs Horse"

[thinking to himself]: "Hmmm. Something's missing and I can't quite put my rib on it."

Why are you assuming that God paraded two of each animal past Adam?

Adding in your own dots, or confusing Adam with Noah?

 

[AV1611VET]

To satisfy the one power in the Bible that's even greater than God -- the Narrative.

Fair enough.

You're the one scratching your head wondering why all the animals looked the same.

Not I.

 

[Loudmouth]

I think the lines are already found and drawn ... don't you?

Aren't they called cladograms or something?

If species were created separately, there is no reason that we should be able to fit them into an objective cladogram based on shared and weighted characters. The only reason we should see such a pattern is evolution.

Since I believe God is our common designer, I wouldn't call them "random unconnected events."

Vincent van Goh's paintings have a common designer, yet they don't fall into an objective cladogram. There is nothing about a common designer that would necessarily result in a phylogeny of shared and derived features.

It would seem that not only is God trying to deceive us by creating a false history in the rocks, he also produced a false evolutionary history in life that serves zero purpose.

 

[AV1611VET]

If species were created separately, there is no reason that we should be able to fit them into an objective cladogram based on shared and weighted characters.

Funny.

I used to think that too.

But it's because I underestimated science's ability to explain things.

As they say: necessity is the mother of invention.

 

[Loudmouth]

Funny.

I used to think that too.

But it's because I underestimated science's ability to explain things.

As they say: necessity is the mother of invention.

Why would separately created species fall into an objective cladogram?

Cars don't fall into an objective cladogram. Buildings don't fall into a cladogram. Why would separately created species fall into a cladogram? Why would God put a fake evolutionary history in life and in the fossil record?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would separately created species fall into an objective cladogram?

Ontological reduction.

Darwin's Tree vs Adam's Grove

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why would separately created species fall into an objective cladogram?

Cars don't fall into an objective cladogram. Buildings don't fall into a cladogram. Why would separately created species fall into a cladogram? Why would God put a fake evolutionary history in life and in the fossil record?

Because AV demands it. Some things are even stronger than The Narrative.

 

[Loudmouth]

Ontological reduction.

Darwin's Tree vs Adam's Grove

Why would humans fall into the same cladogram with all other vertebrates if so many of those species were created separately?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would humans fall into the same cladogram with all other vertebrates if so many of those species were created separately?

Creator's choice.

And who put them into that cladogram? God or Linnaeus?

 

[Loudmouth]

Creator's choice.

And who put them into that cladogram? God or Linnaeus?

Why would God choose to make it look like life evolved when there was no need to?

 

[Davian]

LOL

The ESV?

Good choice.


The Truth about the English subStandard Version

Errors in the bible? I would have never guessed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Creator's choice.

Was there amy rhyme or reason to that choice, or did He flip a coin?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why would God choose to make it look like life evolved when there was no need to?

Creator's choice, I'm guessing.