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True, and you know Adam must have then, because.....? (I'm not doubting you on this point, just wondering how it is we are certain of that)Frumious Bandersnatch said:Humans have two allels of each gene
Not version, 'chapter'. The chapter that fleshed out the details of that point.so Adam and Eve would have had 4 between them unless Eve was a clone of Adam having supposedly been made from his rib in one version of the Genesis myth.
But you were wrong, I didn't make up or even state a number. Don't brag about being wrong.I just popped in a number because I knew that you would make up whatever number you thought you need to make your myth work out.
You couln't refute your way of of a paper bag, teach.I think that everyone can see that you just make up whatever fantasy you need as you go along in order to try to justify your adherence to an ancient Hebrew myth that has long been refuted by modern science.
Justifications? Which are these, the ones you make up as you go along here? Why do you think they lived near a thousand years, and could have lived forever before that if their dna was just like ours? Where do you dig this stuff up?The justifications only exist in your mind and nowhere else. (Unless you really are parodying YEC to make it look as stupid as possible as some suspect, in which case you are doing a great job.)
(Nod) It doesn't No one was there, but Cain and his wofe, and the kids they had, which, over time built a village, or, what they used to call, a 'city'.Where does it say there was already people there?
No that is absolute fact that we lived close to that age then, a simple matter of documented record. The only myth is PO limited modern speculations, which falsely assume it was then as now.ImmortalTechnique said:they didn't live live 1000 years because its a myth
dad said:No that is absolute fact that we lived close to that age then, a simple matter of documented record. The only myth is PO limited modern speculations, which falsely assume it was then as now.
dad said:It's one of the oldest books in the world, that's pretty historical right there. It talks of our history, thats pretty historical. What more do you want?
dad said:How many really map it out like the bible?
dad said:Don't forget your own mythology, it tries to do the same.
dad said:There are things found that support the bible. They used to say that Daniel must have been written after it was, because it named the next kingdoms coming, even one king by name, and the year of Messiah coming, and all kinds of amazing things. Then they found it compared with some texts found, that dated it as old after all. The city of Ur where Abraham was was said to be a myth, till they found evidence of it. All kinds of things proove it is historical. There are whole sites devoted to that sort of thing.
Cells and genes would likely have had key differences.Frumious Bandersnatch said:I guess fibroblasts didn't have telomeres before the "split".
I wonder if they were designed to grow new teeth?I wonder what those ancients ate after their teeth wore away to nothing.
That's my guess. At least pre fall humans.Or were pre-split humans like sharks constantly growing new teeth?
You are wrong, they are as real as real can be! Just as eternal life coming is no myth, or the afterlife, or heaven, or the new heavens coming as the PO ones dissapear forever! What is a complete myth in every sense of the word is your partial reality theories of a PO never never land! Get the whole picyure, man, give us a break.The extreme ages of the patriarchs are a myth.
No, mythman, you are the dreamweaver.You are again using one myth to try to justify another.
You asked for history, I gave a book written before Nero was born, or Alexandar the Great, or the kings of Persia. Can't beat that.funyun said:The age of a book or a work has no correlation whatsoever to its basis in facts. Are you saying a book published yesterday could not possibly be correct?
OK, I've heard a bit of that, like some guy who swallowed the sun! Not all stories are equal.The Hindu Vedas "map it out" in much more detail than the Bible, actual. They go into incredible detail in the account of creation, as well as general cosmology.
Old ageism to a tee.Thanks, I don't have one. Mythologies are not based in evidence, they are based in imagination.
Truth or consequentses, that is the question. Millions agree by archeological confirmation, irrefuteable prophesy fulfilled, and power in their lives on call, like a genie, that it is truth. Against this we have---your opinion. HmmThat does not prove it is historical any more than the fact that the actual existence of Mount Olympus proves the Greek gods really live there. The existence of Troy does not prove that an Achilles actually lived. The existence of Antarctica does not mean that the events of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner actually happened. The existence of a real Tokyo does not mean Godzilla really exists. This is a very basic logical fallacy called affirming the consequent.
XianJedi said:There is nothing in your post that would indicate to someone else a tone of sarcasm. Your ridicule is quite uncalled for. A simple "I was sarcastic" would have sufficed.
dad said:Now I really think you must be a troll trying to make YEC look stupid. Congratulations on your overwhelming success.Cells and genes would likely have had key differences.
I wonder if they were designed to grow new teeth?
That's my guess. At least pre fall humans.
Whether I am right or wrong on what I may think of a particular little sidebar issue of what may have went on in Eden is not gospel.Frumious Bandersnatch said:Now I really think you must be a troll trying to make YEC look stupid. Congratulations on your overwhelming success.
dad said:You asked for history, I gave a book written before Nero was born, or Alexandar the Great, or the kings of Persia. Can't beat that.
dad said:OK, I've heard a bit of that, like some guy who swallowed the sun! Not all stories are equal.
dad said:Old ageism to a tee.
dad said:Truth or consequentses, that is the question. Millions agree by archeological confirmation, irrefuteable prophesy fulfilled, and power in their lives on call, like a genie, that it is truth. Against this we have---your opinion. Hmm
No, you can't. How old are the Vedas, and exactly how do they know, for starters? Next, the bible was around just not in written form, that we know of at least yet.funyun said:Can't beat the Vedas, which are older. Just because a book is old does not make it a history book. So yes, you can quite easily beat that.
Are you kidding? No comparison, to a giant fish eating a man for a few days, to someone eating the sun. Ridiculous.Which is somehow less plausible than a whale eating a man, yet the man remains alive and eventually escapes?
You mean which is true. There may be history in the others as well, but not of the calibre of the bible, where the records were kept right.Please impart unto us mortals how you, dad, determine which is history and which isn't?
What the hec are you talking about? Are you awake, man?I have already refuted your "archeological confirmation" nonsense.
Bethlehem virgin birth wasn't vague. You talk as if you don't know the bible, and are chanting some programmed popular misconception mantra! Know wherof you speak, or don't bother tappin the keys.Very vague prophecies tend to always come to fruition. "There will be a war and a dictator will rise". Don't be surprised if that comes true.
Being part of a debate does not add any credibility to a claim. Is there any independent verification and validation of this claim?dad said:No, they actually lived, and are part of a creation debate.
I have no reason to assume God lied, do you?TheBear said:Being part of a debate does not add any credibility to a claim. Is there any independent verification and validation of this claim?
I have no reason to believe a god exists. But that's a story for another discussion. Besides, that wasn't my question.dad said:I have no reason to assume God lied, do you?
dad said:I have no reason to assume God lied, do you?
mysaviour360 said:Adam and Eve's children were the only ones on earth...so how did they create man kind?
2. CAIN AND ABEL
Less than two years after Cain's birth, Abel was born, the first child of Adam and Eve to be born in the second garden. When Abel grew up to the age of twelve years, he elected to be a herder; Cain had chosen to follow agriculture.
Now, in those days it was customary to make offerings to the priesthood of the things at hand. Herders would bring of their flocks, farmers of the fruits of the fields; and in accordance with this custom, Cain and Abel likewise made periodic offerings to the priests. The two boys had many times argued about the relative merits of their vocations, and Abel was not slow to note that preference was shown for his animal sacrifices. In vain did Cain appeal to the traditions of the first Eden, to the former preference for the fruits of the fields. But this Abel would not allow, and he taunted his older brother in his discomfiture.
In the days of the first Eden Adam had indeed sought to discourage the offering of animal sacrifice so that Cain had a justifiable precedent for his contentions. It was, however, difficult to organize the religious life of the second Eden. Adam was burdened with a thousand and one details associated with the work of building, defense, and agriculture. Being much depressed spiritually, he intrusted the organization of worship and education to those of Nodite extraction who had served in these capacities in the first garden; and in even so short a time the officiating Nodite priests were reverting to the standards and rulings of pre-Adamic times.
The two boys never got along well, and this matter of sacrifices further contributed to the growing hatred between them. Abel knew he was the son of both Adam and Eve and never failed to impress upon Cain that Adam was not his father. Cain was not pure violet as his father was of the Nodite race later admixed with the blue and the red man and with the aboriginal Andonic stock. And all of this, with Cain's natural bellicose inheritance, caused him to nourish an ever-increasing hatred for his younger brother.
The boys were respectively eighteen and twenty years of age when the tension between them was finally resolved, one day, when Abel's taunts so infuriated his bellicose brother that Cain turned upon him in wrath and slew him.
The observation of Abel's conduct establishes the value of environment and education as factors in character development. Abel had an ideal inheritance, and heredity lies at the bottom of all character; but the influence of an inferior environment virtually neutralized this magnificent inheritance. Abel, especially during his younger years, was greatly influenced by his unfavorable surroundings. He would have become an entirely different person had he lived to be twenty-five or thirty; his superb inheritance would then have shown itself. While a good environment cannot contribute much toward really overcoming the character handicaps of a base heredity, a bad environment can very effectively spoil an excellent inheritance, at least during the younger years of life. Good social environment and proper education are indispensable soil and atmosphere for getting the most out of a good inheritance.
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The death of Abel became known to his parents when his dogs brought the flocks home without their master. To Adam and Eve, Cain was fast becoming the grim reminder of their folly, and they encouraged him in his decision to leave the garden.
Cain's life in Mesopotamia had not been exactly happy since he was in such a peculiar way symbolic of the default. It was not that his associates were unkind to him, but he had not been unaware of their subconscious resentment of his presence. But Cain knew that, since he bore no tribal mark, he would be killed by the first neighboring tribesmen who might chance to meet him. Fear, and some remorse, led him to repent. Cain had never been indwelt by an Adjuster, had always been defiant of the family discipline and disdainful of his father's religion. But he now went to Eve, his mother, and asked for spiritual help and guidance, and when he honestly sought divine assistance, an Adjuster indwelt him. And this Adjuster, dwelling within and looking out, gave Cain a distinct advantage of superiority which classed him with the greatly feared tribe of Adam.
And so Cain departed for the land of Nod, east of the second Eden. He became a great leader among one group of his father's people and did, to a certain degree, fulfill the predictions of Serapatatia, for he did promote peace between this division of the Nodites and the Adamites throughout his lifetime. Cain married Remona, his distant cousin, and their first son, Enoch, became the head of the Elamite Nodites. And for hundreds of years the Elamites and the Adamites continued to be at peace.
(from The Urantia Book)
dad said:No, you can't. How old are the Vedas, and exactly how do they know, for starters? Next, the bible was around just not in written form, that we know of at least yet.
dad said:Are you kidding? No comparison, to a giant fish eating a man for a few days, to someone eating the sun. Ridiculous.
dad said:You mean which is true. There may be history in the others as well, but not of the calibre of the bible, where the records were kept right.
dad said:What the hec are you talking about? Are you awake, man?
dad said:Bethlehem virgin birth wasn't vague. You talk as if you don't know the bible, and are chanting some programmed popular misconception mantra! Know wherof you speak, or don't bother tappin the keys.
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