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Nahienga

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For as long as I can remember, I've been a nontheistic eclectic Pagan, and I've always been happy with my faith in the nature. Of course, my faith has grown with me, and changing a little bit every year.
I've recently discovered that what I believe has become very similar to the Buddhism belief. So I decided to find out more.
And maybe there are some friendly Buddhists here willing to answer (or try to answer) my questions. :)

Who was Buddha? What did he teach?
What is the view of life, how should we treat humans and nature? Is everyone equal?
What are the "laws" of life, how should a Buddhist live?

And the one-million question; What happens after this life?

This is just some of the questions I got, those I find most important.
Of course, you are free to tell me whatever you want about Buddhism. The more, the better. =)

Thank you very much for reading this post. Peace be with you! :hug:
 

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Here is a very brief summary of an Eastern religious worldview, which is pretty typical of Hinduism & Buddism.

1. What is prime reality-the really real? Braham, an impersonal entity.

2. What is the nature of external reality, that is, the world around us? External reality is maya, illusion, a hindrance to becoming one with the essence of the universe.

3. What is a human being? A transient expression of Braham.

4. What happens to a person at death? We are no longer who we are now. Our essence become part of another expression of Braham

5. Why is it possible to know anything at all? We do not know in any Western understanding of this word.

6. How do we know what is right and wrong? There is no right and wrong, only an impersonal being.

7. What is the meaning of human history? History is cyclical.
 
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Dudes, read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

Johnnz said:
Here is a very brief summary of an Eastern religious worldview, which is pretty typical of Hinduism & Buddism.

He asked specifically about Buddhism. If you want to get technical, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, since they're from the middle EAST, are eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism.

Johnnz said:
1. What is prime reality-the really real?Braham, an impersonal entity.

Not from Buddhism, Braham's from Hinduism, not "eastern" religion in general.


Johnnz said:
3. What is a human being?A transient expression of Braham.

Hinduism. He asked about Buddhism. Humans and everything else are part of a whole, self is an illusion in Buddhism. So technically, there are no human beings.


Johnnz said:
4. What happens to a person at death?We are no longer who we are now. Our essence become part of another expression of Braham

Hinduism, Hinduism, Hinduism! Beings are reincarnated, as they get closer to realizing they are one. That happens in many traditions in Hinduism as well, but again, Brahman is not from Buddhism!


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6. How do we know what is right and wrong?There is no right and wrong, only an impersonal being.


Uhh.... Karma? Dharma? Most every Buddhist I've met tends to believe that it's wrong to kill, steal, etc.

Johnnz, please actually do research before putting your foot in your mouth.
 
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Johnnz said:
Here is a very brief summary of an Eastern religious worldview, which is pretty typical of Hinduism & Buddism.

1. What is prime reality-the really real?Braham, an impersonal entity.

2. What is the nature of external reality, that is, the world around us? External reality is maya, illusion, a hindrance to becoming one with the essence of the universe.

3. What is a human being?A transient expression of Braham.

4. What happens to a person at death?We are no longer who we are now. Our essence become part of another expression of Braham

5. Why is it possible to know anything at all?We do not know in any Western understanding of this word.

6. How do we know what is right and wrong?There is no right and wrong, only an impersonal being.

7. What is the meaning of human history? History is cyclical.

Do you personally believe this?
 
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Here's a crash course in Buddhism.

This guy named Siddhartha Gautama was a member of the warrior caste, and had a sweet life. One day, he leaves his castle that was really sweet, with great food, and tons of chicks. He learns about sickness, death, and all the depressing bits of life, and figures that food and chicks aren't the point to life. Then he meets a hermit-dude, says "Hey! This guys got it right!" So Siddhartha becomes an asthetic (fasting, all that jazz), and just realizes "you know, being hungry isn't making me any wiser, and being hungry also sucks." Then he goes and meditates for a long time.

Then, it hits him. Middle path (don't be a pig, don't starve yourself), we're all one, don't bother with the Hindu deities, and other stuff. No caste system, because he was a warrior that tried to become a priest.

So, then you basically gotta be good to people and be moderate in stuff.

Anyway, Siddhartha becomes a Buddha, or "awake person" or something like that, and decides to help people.

Buddha never said he was a god. In fact, he said if he ever got in the way of your enlightenment, kill him.
 
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Namaste Nahienga,

thank you for the post.


Nahienga said:
Peace

For as long as I can remember, I've been a nontheistic eclectic Pagan, and I've always been happy with my faith in the nature. Of course, my faith has grown with me, and changing a little bit every year.

this is true for most beings, though not all. it is commendable that you are open to a continual learning experience.

I've recently discovered that what I believe has become very similar to the Buddhism belief. So I decided to find out more.
And maybe there are some friendly Buddhists here willing to answer (or try to answer) my questions.

there are a few of us here... however, before i go into your questions specifically, i note a bit of a misunderstanding. Buddhism is not a monolithic view in that we all have the same understandings or doctrines that are followed. Buddhism, like the Christian tradition, has three main flavors, or Vehicles as we call them, Hinyana, Mahayana and Vajrayana. Within the Vehicles, are numerious schools like Zen, Theraveda, Ch'an and so forth.

so, my answers to you will be rather general and not specific to a particular Vehicle, as much as i am able.

Who was Buddha?

most often this question is asking about the being which is called the 'historical' Buddha. This being, as has been explained, was born a prince in a northern Indian kingdom. Siddartha Guatama (or varient spellings thereof) was this beings name prior to becoming Buddha Shakyamuni.

Buddha Shakyamuni is the historical Buddha of whom we speak with the name "Buddha". Buddha is a title, however, and not a proper name. It comes from the Sanskrit root "budh" which means "to awaken". so "Buddha" means "The Awakened One".

there have been previous Buddhas to Buddha Shakyamuni in what Buddhists term "this forunate eon" which will see the arising of 1,000 Buddhas. Buddha Shakyamuni is typicaly seen as the Fourth Buddha in our Fortunate Eon.

What did he teach?

quite a lot, actually. his teaching career lasted for 45 years.

in any event... when asked this very question, Buddha Shakyamuni spoke quite plain and simply:

i teach the existence of stress, the origin of stress, the ending of stress and the path to end stress.

in truth, the term "stress" is transliterated from the Pali term "dukkha" which carries a great deal of meaning. like many Pali/Sanskrit terms, the context in which the term is used denotes it's actual meaning. most often, you will hear this term transliterated as "suffering". whilst this is a correct cognition of the term, it is rather limited to a specific discourse and usage.

What is the view of life, how should we treat humans and nature?

Buddhism takes the view that human life is the best possible rebirth for a sentient being due to our opportunity to practice the Dharma and the motivation to do so. other sentient life does not have the same endowments... either there is no opportunity, for an animal, for instance, or there is no motivation, in the case of the Devas.

Buddhists, in general, are striving to generate Bodhichitta, the Heart of Compassion, for all sentient beings, thus, humans are all viewed in the same manner as other sentient beings.. i.e. we all desire to be happy and to avoid suffering.

Is everyone equal?

yes and no. from an exoteric point of view, yes all sentient life is equal in its desire to be free of suffering, to live happily and to be peaceful.

from an esoteric point of view, however, the question displays a fundamental misconception or ingnorance. in the Buddhist view, there is no "one" to be equal to another. which we can get into more depth later, if you are so inclined.

What are the "laws" of life, how should a Buddhist live?

Buddhism, as a whole, has two different sorts of beings which practice it... laiety and monastics. the rules for their behavior are somewhat different, as you may imagine.

the lay Buddhist has what we call the 5 Precepts which dictate their behavior, as it were. they are:

1. refrain from killing.
2. refrain from stealing.
3. refrain from sexual misconduct.
4. refrain from abusive and harsh speech.
5. refrain from indulgence in intoxicants.*

(* note, this is not due to an inherent "problem" with intoxicants. this is more due to the propensity that beings have to violate the other precepts should they become intoxicated, that this is on the list)

And the one-million question; What happens after this life?

this is a bit of a tricky one as there are a few different views that one can find. generally speaking, Buddhism teaches a concept called "rebirth". essentially, this is a continual process which is ongoing at this moment. it is, for all intents and purposes, the next arising moment of consciousness conditioned by the preceeding moment.

thus, in the death state, what my tradition calls the "Bardo" or "Between State" there are several different things that happen depending on your level of attainment.

if you are like most beings, the arising moment of consciousness after the ceasing of your physical form will be in a new physical form. this will seem to be automatic without any method of control and is fairly typical of the Fundamental Vehicle point of view. the Mahayana, however, says that in every arising moment of consciousness, there is a pause, a gap, if you will, when the preceeding moment has ceased and the arising moment has yet to arise. if you have attainment, you can rest in this "gap" which is sometimes known as Nirvana.

ostensibly, the Buddhist is practicing to become a Buddha and put an end to rebirth, sickness, old age and death, altogether.

ultimately, however, much of this metaphysical speculation isn't all that condusive to our day to day spiritual practice. if we believe that our actions have consequences, then we need not look any further than our own daily life to see the positive benefits that engaging in Buddhist praxis can bring.

This is just some of the questions I got, those I find most important.
Of course, you are free to tell me whatever you want about Buddhism. The more, the better. =)

Thank you very much for reading this post. Peace be with you! :hug:

if you have not been to the www.buddhanet.net site yet, i would strongly encourage you to go read what they have to say as they cover both the Hinyana and Mahayana views in a pretty systemic manner.

metta,

~v
 
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Johnnz said:
Research done. th einformation was taken from James Sire The Universe Next Door in which he summarises the concepts underlying Hinduism and Buddism.

John
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Wow, a third hand generic source that summerizes Hinduism. That's definetly better than, say, a second hand source about Buddhism specifically, that don't mention Brahman, like, say, Wikipedia, or "Dummy's Guide to Religion", or, I dunno, encyclopedias, or first hand sources, like Vajradhara.

I'll repeat myself. Do research.
 
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Hi John--
Your post is somewhat helpful, but inaccurate in many respects. First of all, Buddhists and Hindus hold very different ideas on the areas you mentioned--they are not the same "Eastern philosophy." Also, even as pertains to Hinduism, you are nto entirely accurate. According to Buddhism, the really real, the prime entity is neither Brahman nor the reality we perceive around us. The true existence is SHUNYATA--meaning "the void" or "emptiness." In other words, we exist in a realm created of our own action and illusion, but when we look deeper we find that NOTHING has substantial reality of its own--it's all empty. This is true of the external world around us, as well as our own mental and spiritual elements. A human being is a regular biological organism, subject to death, illness and old age: the human is considered to have a privileged faculty of insight and wisdom, but is not an especially important "center" of creation. At death, we are reborn into another body, be it that of a human, animal, demon, titan or demigod, based on our karma (action). There are two types of "knowing:" relative and ultimate. In general when we say we "know" a fact we mean that such and such a thing is true relative to a complex web of causes and conditions. This is not true knowledge, but it is valid informational knowledge nonetheless. True, or ultimate knowing, has only one facet, which is not relative: the udnerstanding of emptiness, the true nature of reality. We know what is right and wrong base don one criterion: what causes suffering and what does not cause suffering. That which causes suffering either in the present, the immediate future or the distant future is unskillful, to be avoided (i.e. wrong). That which does not cause suffering in the rpesent, the immediate future or the distant future is skillful, to be cultivated (i.e. right). Human history has no meaning within itself: we can trace, in relative terms, the development of ideas, nations, peoples or anything else, and these can be aids to understanding, but they are not "meaningful."

For the original questioner: I suggest that you spend soem time at E-Sangha, the Buddhist Forum.

Johnnz said:
Here is a very brief summary of an Eastern religious worldview, which is pretty typical of Hinduism & Buddism.

1. What is prime reality-the really real?Braham, an impersonal entity.

2. What is the nature of external reality, that is, the world around us? External reality is maya, illusion, a hindrance to becoming one with the essence of the universe.

3. What is a human being?A transient expression of Braham.

4. What happens to a person at death?We are no longer who we are now. Our essence become part of another expression of Braham

5. Why is it possible to know anything at all?We do not know in any Western understanding of this word.

6. How do we know what is right and wrong?There is no right and wrong, only an impersonal being.

7. What is the meaning of human history? History is cyclical.
 
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Just another thought, Nahienga - you may want to read a book or two by Alan Watts. He was a Westerner who spent his entire life studing eastern thought philosophies. He certainly helped me in my understanding. Similar to Watts I think of myself as a kind of independent secular Buddhist/Taoist - i.e., I do not view the ideas of rebirth/reincarnation and the law of Kamma (or Karma) as literally true, but just as metaphor or allegory. Otherwise, eastern thought philosophy is plainly sensible, logical and far beyond western monotheism, which usually requires you to believe in the unbelievable.
 
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JGL53 said:
Just another thought, Nahienga - you may want to read a book or two by Alan Watts. He was a Westerner who spent his entire life studing "eastern thought" philosophies. He certainly helped me in my understanding. Similar to Watts I think of myself as a kind of independent secular Buddhist/Taoist - i.e., I do not view the ideas of rebirth/reincarnation and the law of Kamma (or Karma) as literally true, but just as metaphor or allegory. Otherwise, eastern thought philosophy is plainly sensible and far beyond western monotheism, which usually requires you to believe in the unbelievable.

Yeah, most theistic religions want us to believe the unbelivable.
Thanks for your book recommendations!
I'll keep that in mind next time I visit the library. =)
 
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Nahienga said:
Yeah, most theistic religions want us to believe the unbelivable.
Thanks for your book recommendations!
I'll keep that in mind next time I visit the library. =)
Good deal. One last thing - I noticed your Einstein quote. I've read most of Einstein's writings on religion and I've never read anything by him that I particularly disagreed with - and ditto Alan Watts.
 
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JGL53 said:
Good deal. One last thing - I noticed your Einstein quote. I've read most of Einstein's writings on religion and I've never read anything by him that I particularly disagreed with - and ditto Alan Watts.

Yeah, Einstein had some really great words. =)
And the one in my signature is my favorite one. :thumbsup:

"To war about theistic religions is like having a big fight about who has got the best imaginary friend." - Unknown.
 
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Namaste JGL,

thank you for the post.

i realize that you were commenting to someone else, so i hope you will not mind if i respond to a few points which you've raised.

JGL53 said:
Just another thought, Nahienga - you may want to read a book or two by Alan Watts. He was a Westerner who spent his entire life studing eastern thought philosophies.

this is not correct. whilst it may be so that he spent his adult years studying some Taoist and Buddhist philosophical schools, he did not spend his entire life engaged in this pursuit.

i, too, have enjoyed Alans writings though i find them possessed of a particular theological flavor which often seems out of place.

I do not view the ideas of rebirth/reincarnation and the law of Kamma (or Karma) as literally true, but just as metaphor or allegory.

why do you think that, to pick one, kamma is not meant to be understood literally?

moreover, without accepting these teachings, how do you reconcile teachings from the Buddha Shakyamuni which place emphasis on those aspects?

metta,

~v
 
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vajradhara said:
Namaste JGL,

thank you for the post.

i realize that you were commenting to someone else, so i hope you will not mind if i respond to a few points which you've raised.



this is not correct. whilst it may be so that he spent his adult years studying some Taoist and Buddhist philosophical schools, he did not spend his entire life engaged in this pursuit.

i, too, have enjoyed Alans writings though i find them possessed of a particular theological flavor which often seems out of place.



why do you think that, to pick one, kamma is not meant to be understood literally?

moreover, without accepting these teachings, how do you reconcile teachings from the Buddha Shakyamuni which place emphasis on those aspects?

metta,

~v
Obviously you are more literal-minded than I am in general. Naturally I did not mean to imply that baby Alan Watts studied Buddhist or Taoist literature in the crib. However he apparently began to study eastern thought literature as a young teenager, maybe only age 13 or 14. Happy now?I am personally not interested in whether the concepts of rebirth or kamma were meant to be taken literally or not. I do not take them literally, so case closed for me. You and others are free to view them as you wish - no skin off my back.The teachings of Mahayana Buddhism, especially Zen, and Taoism are basically related to the one life we know we have. I view the belief in reincarnation and kamma to be superstitions if taken literally. What proof of either is there – they seem like wish-fulfillment fantasies to me, similar in kind to favorite ones of western monotheism. I disagree with the idea that if rebirth and kamma are not literal facts then all of the teachings of Buddhism/Taoism are somehow invalidated. But if it makes you happy to believe literally in them, then more power to you.And have a nice day.
 
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Nahienga said:
Yeah, most theistic religions want us to believe the unbelivable.
Thanks for your book recommendations!
I'll keep that in mind next time I visit the library. =)
Budhism isn't a theistic religion. I don't think Budha denied a god but he didn't require a belief in god either. http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/saints/buddha.htm
 
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Namaste JGL,

thank you for the post.

JGL53 said:
Obviously you are more literal-minded than I am in general.

perhaps, perhaps not.. it is difficult to tell at this point in our coversation.

Naturally I did not mean to imply that baby Alan Watts studied Buddhist or Taoist literature in the crib. However he apparently began to study eastern thought literature as a young teenager, maybe only age 13 or 14. Happy now?

it is not a matter of being "happy" rather a matter of accuracy, from my point of view.

I am personally not interested in whether the concepts of rebirth or kamma were meant to be taken literally or not.

why not? it does strike me as strange for a being to identify with a particular tradition and then not accept the teachings of said tradition.

if you don't want to discuss it, that is fine too :)

I do not take them literally, so case closed for me.

it is clear that this is your view, the question is why is this your view?

what studies have you engaged in that would lead you to the conclusion that kamma and rebirth were not meant to be understood as literal teachings?

You and others are free to view them as you wish - no skin off my back.

indeed, this is true. no skin from your body is required for any being to study the Buddha Dharma and beings are free to hold a variety of views concerning the nature of the Sutrayana.

that, however, does not imply that questions cannot be asked, does it?

The teachings of Mahayana Buddhism, especially Zen, and Taoism are basically related to the one life we know we have.

why would you say this? what studies have you done that would lead you to this conclusion? perhaps you do not hold the Suttas/Sutras to hold any value, i really cannot say.

you are aware that Tao isn't a monolithic view, correct? there are several distinct flavors of Taoist praxis, some of which are quite theistic in orientation and others which are not. however, i would tend to agree that most Tao schools are focused on this current arising.

I view the belief in reincarnation and kamma to be superstitions if taken literally.

why is that?

What proof of either is there – they seem like wish-fulfillment fantasies to me, similar in kind to favorite ones of western monotheism.

so you disagree with the idea that actions have consequences? that, i confess, it thoroughly strange to me. nearly every philosophical and religious tradition that i am aware of posit that our actions have consequences.

whilst there is room for discussion on rebirth, it often strikes me that the the confusion is mainly due to eternalistic a priori concepts that sentient beings tend to bring to the religous table, as it were.

I disagree with the idea that if rebirth and kamma are not literal facts then all of the teachings of Buddhism/Taoism are somehow invalidated.

no one, that i am aware of, said otherwise.

But if it makes you happy to believe literally in them, then more power to you.

i'm not sure why your focus is on being happy so much in this discussion. nevertheless, i do not practice the Buddha Dharma because it makes me happy :) that is pretty funny, actually :)

And have a nice day.

you too :)

metta,

~v
 
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vajradhara said:
Namaste JGL,

thank you for the post.



perhaps, perhaps not.. it is difficult to tell at this point in our coversation.



it is not a matter of being "happy" rather a matter of accuracy, from my point of view.



why not? it does strike me as strange for a being to identify with a particular tradition and then not accept the teachings of said tradition.

if you don't want to discuss it, that is fine too :)



it is clear that this is your view, the question is why is this your view?

what studies have you engaged in that would lead you to the conclusion that kamma and rebirth were not meant to be understood as literal teachings?



indeed, this is true. no skin from your body is required for any being to study the Buddha Dharma and beings are free to hold a variety of views concerning the nature of the Sutrayana.

that, however, does not imply that questions cannot be asked, does it?



why would you say this? what studies have you done that would lead you to this conclusion? perhaps you do not hold the Suttas/Sutras to hold any value, i really cannot say.

you are aware that Tao isn't a monolithic view, correct? there are several distinct flavors of Taoist praxis, some of which are quite theistic in orientation and others which are not. however, i would tend to agree that most Tao schools are focused on this current arising.



why is that?



so you disagree with the idea that actions have consequences? that, i confess, it thoroughly strange to me. nearly every philosophical and religious tradition that i am aware of posit that our actions have consequences.

whilst there is room for discussion on rebirth, it often strikes me that the the confusion is mainly due to eternalistic a priori concepts that sentient beings tend to bring to the religous table, as it were.



no one, that i am aware of, said otherwise.



i'm not sure why your focus is on being happy so much in this discussion. nevertheless, i do not practice the Buddha Dharma because it makes me happy :) that is pretty funny, actually :)



you too :)

metta,

~v
As I previously said, like Alan Watts, I am a westernized or secular type of 'Zen Buddhist/Taoist', in which we do not view rebirth/kamma in any literal sense. You are a Tibetan Buddhist. Things could be worse. You could be a southern baptist christian and I could be a Shiite Muslim. Whatever.

My point to Nahienga was to suggest that he read some Alan Watts writings, in the odd event that they could speak to him in the way they did to me. If it turns out that they don't and at some future time he joins your group, then fine. No one goes to hell for believing in incorrect ideas so what the hey?

I certainly understand that you disagree with me. I understand that you are really into rebirth/kamma. I understand that you think I am all wrong here and you are all right and that a thorough debate between us on the subject will demonstrate that fact to one and all. I doubt it, since there are no scientific proofs of either reincarnation orkamma. They are superstitious religious beliefs, just like spirits, souls, curses, black magic, astrology, and so forth.

I have no need for religious beliefs, i.e. the metaphysics of idealism. I accept the metaphysics of modern science. You don't. Ok. We're at perpetual loggerheads.Does that about cover all bases, or is there something else you need to say?
 
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