Questioning of Islam

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Why do Muslims view every questioning of Islam as an attack upon them? Why is every critical analysis of their religion, its tenets, and its source greeted with a barrage of defensive comments and insults? This situation can be frustrating to those of us accustomed to linear logic and open, critical thought. At the heart of the problem lies the basic educational difference between Muslims and non-Muslims.

From the beginning, Islamic education starts formulating a conceptualization, which logically connects automatic Islamic thoughts and beliefs. This education system fails to see the larger picture and jumps from one core belief to another, providing students with a limited, hostile, and fallacious cognitive map which remains with them for life.

This rigid Islamic cognitive schema has a profound impact on Muslims' thought paradigms, emotional responses, and behavioral patterns because it provides them with a common narrative history, common cognitive patterns, common social scripts, and common kinds of aspirations, attitudes, and cultural values.

The whole thought system lacks critical thinking, rational analysis, and personal responsibility, leaving Muslims content just to stay the same while blaming everyone but themselves for their own thinking errors.

When confronted with their own failings and shortcomings, Muslims hide behind alibi and denial, using thought clichés such as “everything that happens is Allah’s will” and "non-believers will burn in Islamic hell fire". Such automatic expressions influence their subsequent emotional and behavioral responses in every situation. Furthermore, these automatic responses, based on their preconceived Islamic thought paradigm, often misconstrue even the most neutral of situations so as to fit them into their closed model of thinking, making those automatic thoughts biased and filled with thinking errors.

Since Islam is a closed system of dogma that forbids Muslims from testing either its validity or utility, and that requires them to maintain the equilibrium at any cost, Muslims' thinking errors completely overwhelm and handicap them with dysfunctional automatic thoughts that coexist with other thinking errors.

Some of these educationally inculcated thinking errors include:

Polarized all or nothing thinking (believers and non-believers, daru-ul-Islam, dar-ul-harb)

Thinking catastrophically (all infidels, munafiq will go to hell)

Discounting the positive, accentuating the negative (all kafeers are out to get Muslims)

Reasoning emotionally (emotional justification for bombing, beheading, terrorism, and rape)

Labeling (designating all non-believers as kafeers)

Minimizing (blaming the victim, invoking denial, trying to alibi)

Mind-reading (Muslims believe they know what non-Muslims are thinking)

Filtering mental concepts (failing to see things holistically)

Over-generalization of everything (making sweeping negative conclusions such as Jews are pigs and Christians are cattle)

Personalization of everything (Muslims believe kafeers are behaving negatively because of Islam)

Myopic tunnel vision for life (seeing things only in the Islamic way)

http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/forumdisplay.php?f=14

 

[quatona]

Glad to see you have the same questions about certain Islamist that others have about certain Christians.
That indicates at least some common ground.

On another note, I found this:
Over-generalization of everything
to be pretty ironic in view of the broadth of the brush you used when writing your post.

 

[elwill]

Glad to see you have the same questions about certain Islamist that others have about certain Christians.
That indicates at least some common ground.

On another note, I found this:
Over-generalization of everything
to be pretty ironic in view of the broadth of the brush you used when writing your post.

i see that the main problem is that the westerners see the islam from prespective of anti_islamic media and anti_islamic articles , not from prespective of muslims themselfs.

the problem that many of westerner be completely influenced by media.
then when any muslims describe the real face of islam , some of you think that minority muslims have these understanding and some think that we just trying to justify the islam , so you trust the media rather than the muslims .

At the heart of the problem lies the basic educational difference between Muslims and non-Muslims.

i quote this from bushmaster , he said that muslims greeting non_muslims by insults .
so who insults whom now ?!

Bushmaster claimed in nother thread that he ex_muslim and he apostate because he find the answers and the truth in christianity , when i asked him what did you find in christianity , what is the answers you find in it to apostates from your original relegion ? , he ignored my question although i repeated it for him twice .

so where is the line logic and open critical, thoughts he talking about !!!

secondly we didn't hide behind anything . we have our souece quran and we never deny any verse in it , as you do with old testament laws

 

[randomman]

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sorry .... i thought this garbage was your own thoughts .... however, i was surprised that it would come from a person who worships a man ... <staff edit> ..... so i googled it .... it turns out it was just plagiarism

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/pathwaystojihaditerrorism.shtml

 

[Meshavrischika]

I don't see this as a uniquely muslim trait. You can say it about most anyone of any faith and any denom in that faith. Personally, I think this is probably the most persecuted religious group right now besides the Mormons (at least in the U.S.)

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

sorry .... i thought this garbage was your own thoughts ....

It is actually used by permission through a friend of mine at Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. It is posted on their Islam forum and permitted for distribution. However, I take note that it is garbage but there is no rebuttal, typical muslim behavior.

however, i was surprised that it would come from a person who worships a man

Sure, that is what Muhammad thought, also... He must be just a man, again, sorry if you don't have the capacity to realize that Christianity is based on a different theology that Islam could not take over, refute or erase from history. ...

<staff edit>

Very interesting, is that your new delusion along with the lack of your ability to create arguments <staff edit> ? Or you are trying to convince an audience? Or do you mean Dr. Babu Suseelan is a high school dropout? You are not clear in your posts as you are not that professional. See, life revolves around three C's... In order to be successful in any endeavor you will need either competence, confidence or creativity. Your arguments contains none as they only present desperate ad hominems... Keep it up.

..... so i googled it .... it turns out it was just plagiarism

Well, I am confident as I was permitted to use it. However your double standards once again shows as I don't hear you moaning about yaqovzadeek or elwill's plagiarism...

 

[I_are_sceptical]

The whole thought system lacks critical thinking, rational analysis, and personal responsibility

I think that Christian insistence that I should give their personal opinions priority over the Scriptures of my post-Christian Faith is hilarious.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

i quote this from bushmaster , he said that muslims greeting non_muslims by insults .
so who insults whom now ?!

Text is mentioning obvious educational differences, that is a fact, is that insulting to you that we consider most arabic countries "third world" countries, industrially underdeveloped, human rights questionable at best, no religious tolerance, you take these as insults?

Bushmaster claimed in nother thread that he ex_muslim and he apostate because he find the answers and the truth in christianity , when i asked him what did you find in christianity , what is the answers you find in it to apostates from your original relegion ? ,

I didn't ignore your questions, I ignored you. You have demonstrated to me that you tend to lead the topics to a direction you want by simply ignoring theological responses to you, when answered, you pretend you didn't hear and babble a few words about how you thought you were right anyway, further you do not have any idea how Christians exegete religious texts, and you insist you should apply Quranic understanding to Christian Scriptures. If you ignore responses given to you, with what face do you demand responses from me? But just that yaqovzadeek also asked the same question I answered him in the "Can you trust the Bible?" thread. Enjoy!!!

secondly we didn't hide behind anything . we have our souece quran and we never deny any verse in it

Sure, that is the beauty of it.

, as you do with old testament laws

Just as I was saying, your inability to grasp Christian teachings is not our fault.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Personally, I think this is probably the most persecuted religious group right now besides the Mormons (at least in the U.S.)

Well, I am sure you understand why, though, they paint a peaceful attitude while their fellows over in the east are completely opposite. There is only peace in Islam if you obey it. The attitude America stands with today against Muslims <staff edit> can not be considered "persecution" but criticism, maybe at a harsh level... Persecution would be when we deny them religious freedom, burn their worship places down and start executing them for believing what they believe, that is persecution and it is happening right now, in countries like Indonesia towards Christians.

I think that Christian insistence that I should give their personal opinions priority over the Scriptures of my post-Christian Faith is hilarious.

Hmmm, how is Bahaism involved here?

 

[Islam_mulia]

The attitude America stands with today against Muslims <staff edit> can not be considered "persecution" but criticism, maybe at a harsh level... Persecution would be when we deny them religious freedom, burn their worship places down and start executing them for believing what they believe, that is persecution and it is happening right now, in countries like Indonesia towards Christians.

This is ridiculous... you even tone down 'persecution' of Muslims in some countries as merely 'criticism'.

You even quoted Indonesia, where Christians are given more freedom to practice their faith, as a place of 'persecution'. Indonesia is seriously a bad example, where the government cracks down on any religious groups that infringe on the law or ia potential treat to the nation.

Anyway, back to your OP...

I agree with one of the posters that the same 'thinking' applies to many religions, including Christianity...

You've seen Christians defending their faith when questioned, I've been insulted many times here when posing 'difficult' questions on Christianity, and I bet you that are just as many Christians who think quite comfortably that many non-Christians would burn in hell.

No critical thinking for Muslims?.... I can only laugh... Actually, I have been approached quite a number of times by fellow Muslims for thinking 'differently'.. I believe many other Muslims do have critical thinking, you can say the same for Christians and others.

 

[PassionFruit]

Religion is personal to many people, so that's why challenging them is offensive to some people with deeply held beliefs. Of course they're going to feel like they're being attacked. That just doesn't happen with Muslims, especially the way many Christians on CF <staff edit> moan how their beliefs are being attacked when a non-Christian is critical of their beliefs are asked questions about them.

 

[PassionFruit]

<staff edit>

If you'd known any better you'd see that was typo.
Let me re-type this:
That just doesn't happen only with Muslims,
No need, though I've been condemned to hell by some Christians, just for questioning Christianity. Once again, sometimes Christians aren't any better. You can condemn hell if you want.

 

[Secundulus]

If you'd known any better you'd see that was typo.
Let me re-type this:
That just doesn't happen only with Muslims,
No need, though I've been condemned to hell by some Christians, just for questioning Christianity. Once again, sometimes Christians aren't any better. You can condemn hell if you want.

Would you rather be condemned to a hell you don't believe exists, or have your living head separated from your living body?

Moral equivalence?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

This is ridiculous... you even tone down 'persecution' of Muslims in some countries as merely 'criticism'.

Some countries, I only named my country which was attacked by muhammadans 7 years ago.

You even quoted Indonesia, where Christians are given more freedom to practice their faith, as a place of 'persecution'. Indonesia is seriously a bad example, where the government cracks down on any religious groups that infringe on the law or ia potential treat to the nation.

Potential threat to the nation is always a good blanket to supress religious freedom. However, I have known live examples, Catholics and Protestants from your country, not a cyber person. I tend to listen and agree their stories. I have seen pictures of chopped off ears and fingers of non-muslims in your country, that is enough from my perspective... Take a look if you pretend to care; http://www.google.com/search?q=christian+persecution+in+indonesia

You've seen Christians defending their faith when questioned, I've been insulted many times here when posing 'difficult' questions on Christianity, and I bet you that are just as many Christians who think quite comfortably that many non-Christians would burn in hell.

Your presupposition is incorrect here, Christianity never teaches judgment should be passed of one's eternal destiny, I even indicated that you show the potential for a conversion. However your "difficult" questions are always repeats and answered points, which lack careful thinking process, one of the biggest mistakes you commit is that you do not apply the same standards of criticism to your own, and if you would do so, you would see it shatters in the same measure...

No critical thinking for Muslims?.... I can only laugh... Actually, I have been approached quite a number of times by fellow Muslims for thinking 'differently'.. I believe many other Muslims do have critical thinking, you can say the same for Christians and others.

Ok great, then it is time to pose those questions to Quran. Though I don't see you thinking differently, you assert opinions, such as at St.John's Gospel, chap. VIII "demon possession" we have refuted it using various sources including early fathers, you didn't accept it, I bet you are still arguing it. So as you can see, your point of view and particular understanding of the matter doesn't necessarily indicate you know what you are talking about.

 

[PassionFruit]

Would you rather be condemned to a hell you don't believe exists, or have your living head separated from your living body?

Moral equivalence?

Is that one of those lesser of two evils? I suppose as long as you don't want kill me, it's okay if I'm condmned to hell, right? I mean, condemning me to eternal hellfire?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

No need, though I've been condemned to hell by some Christians, just for questioning Christianity.

Just for questioning? That is pretty innocent, don't you think?

 

[PassionFruit]

Just for questioning? That is pretty innocent, don't you think?

Why should I be condemned to hell just for questioning? Even if it was by some extremists? Generally, Christians are supposed to feel bad that non-believers are going to hell. Why condemn?

And this thread needs to get back on topic. It's starting into one of those "my religion is better than yours."

 

[français]

You guys want to know why Muslims do not respond to these threads?

Because they are HATE threads. Because they are threads repeated over and over, and done so on purpose.

Because, many people are so bigoted and one sided that they refuse to listen to Muslims in the first place.

EVERY Muslim on this board, to my knowledge, has condemned terrorism and said it is not Islamic. Every one! Yet people still persist to say Islam and all Muslims are violent, when that is not true.

Muslims are tired of spending their valuable time responding to the same claims over and over.

People have lives.. And sometimes, people do not want to respond to these long copy/paste material, especially when the jist of it is the same as other articles they have already responded to.

People say that Islam silences people from testing things.. Bull! The Qu'ran is the ONLY religious book that challenges unbelievers if they doubt it. Not only that, but it has criterion on how to debate. In many Islamic Universities, they have classes on Comparative Religion.

This is much better then Christianity, that for centuries burned people and imprisoned people for speaking against the Bible.

If you guys think this is a contest to see if a lot of Muslims respond, then join a Muslim forum! I am sure you will get better responses.

 

[Secundulus]

People say that Islam silences people from testing things.. Bull! The Qu'ran is the ONLY religious book that challenges unbelievers if they doubt it. Not only that, but it has criterion on how to debate. In many Islamic Universities, they have classes on Comparative Religion.

I would respond to all your points if this one were not so naive.

Islam is the only religion in the world that kills those who try to leave it.

And this has been defended by Muslims on this forum.

 

[Adeeb]

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