Do you believe that the entire Bible is the inspired, spoken or breathed words of God, and if you do, WHY? I am looking for definitive reasons for why, other than "Because my pastor or so and so says so."
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But, when that statement was made, only the first 12 books of the OT existed and the NT didn't even exist. Does that statement validate that which wasn't even in existance, or wasn't known at that time. And does that statement validate itself. Keep in mind that scripture means "written word" and applies to EVERYTHING written.
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People - I was confronted with this question and this challenge. How do I answer? How do I respond?
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MPaul
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I do not know what you are up to, Prass, but I'll give you a hint. Your problem is in the definition of "inspiration." You have to use the concept of inspiration from Deuteronomy.
And BTW, that would make all your statements in post #3 wrong -- which really look like some kind of a game.
And BTW, that would make all your statements in post #3 wrong -- which really look like some kind of a game.
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MPaul
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Good point, and straight out of the conception of inspiration from Deuteronomy. An inspired prophet must have a message consistent with prior prophets, or he is a false prophet, who can be disregarded by the people, and whose writings were not preserved that is, for example, no message telling people to go after other gods.
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branchofthevine
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in one of Peter's letters he says that Paul's letters are hard to understand but contain truth. The compilation of scriptures were not made in those days, but the Apostles knew of the letters (at least some of them) and probably were asked about the teachings of other Christians to make sure of what they are being told. Although not written at the time it seems that there was a knowledge that what each Apostle was writing in their letters contained truth from God. They did have a large Old Testament (more than 12 books), but they were not in mass production like they are today, there may have been 1 copy in each synagogue or something like that.
What we call scriptures (and the New Testament) is a compilation of many writings which have the inspired breath of God written in them.
check out this site if you want to get an understanding of who wrote the New Testaments writings, why they wrote them, when they wrote them and from where they wrote them.
New Testament Introduction
The information is trustworthy and true.
What we call scriptures (and the New Testament) is a compilation of many writings which have the inspired breath of God written in them.
check out this site if you want to get an understanding of who wrote the New Testaments writings, why they wrote them, when they wrote them and from where they wrote them.
New Testament Introduction
The information is trustworthy and true.
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stormdancer0
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The fact is, the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God. It proves itself through the truth that was written by 40 different authors, 1500 years apart, yet is in total agreement. The fulfillment of scripture in the OT given in the NT testifies that they are both true.
There have been many archeological finds that verify the Old Testament stories, many of which had been laughed at by "scientists" for many years prior to the discoveries.
But this is the thing, though. Either you believe it or you don't. It's a faith thing.
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lilmissmontana
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It's easier to prove it's not of the enemy ...
I will never believe it was inspired by the enemy ... considering all the praise the Lord and glory to God riddled through the entire Bible ... and all the right answers to life that only work when following the Lord ... the enemy would not and cannot divide His house ... any more than the lord would ... never in the Bible is the enemy used in any way other than against the Lord ... and never in the Bible does it say to NOT praise the Lord or any of the other things ... and so on and so on and so on and so on ...
the fact is it's inspired by one or the other ... if it's not of the Lord ... then it's of the enemy ... or there's no purpose to any of it ... and I will never believe that ... One rules the everything and is God of all and everything ... and one is the prince of this pitiful, sad, pathetic world that the great genius man is has completely trashed ...
no matter how one looks at it ... it was inspired by one or the other ... I choose God ...
again, this morning, I agree with stormy ... it's a faith thing ...
one must believe first ...
JUST MY OPINION
I will never believe it was inspired by the enemy ... considering all the praise the Lord and glory to God riddled through the entire Bible ... and all the right answers to life that only work when following the Lord ... the enemy would not and cannot divide His house ... any more than the lord would ... never in the Bible is the enemy used in any way other than against the Lord ... and never in the Bible does it say to NOT praise the Lord or any of the other things ... and so on and so on and so on and so on ...
the fact is it's inspired by one or the other ... if it's not of the Lord ... then it's of the enemy ... or there's no purpose to any of it ... and I will never believe that ... One rules the everything and is God of all and everything ... and one is the prince of this pitiful, sad, pathetic world that the great genius man is has completely trashed ...
no matter how one looks at it ... it was inspired by one or the other ... I choose God ...
again, this morning, I agree with stormy ... it's a faith thing ...
one must believe first ...
JUST MY OPINION
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lilmissmontana
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this says it better than I ever could ...
YouTube - ‪10 reasons why the bible is true‬‏
YouTube - ‪10 reasons why the bible is true‬‏
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lilmissmontana
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1. I don't believe it's possible for man to have inspired the Bible in all it's glory, depth, perfectiom, wisdom and fore-knowledge ... those among a long list of impossibilities with man ... man just isn't really all that intelligent on his own merit ... man can but barely access the other areas of his brain beyond 20 percent or so ... can't make but iotas of progress in space ... can't solve mostly any of the major issues of the earth today, kill each other for no reason ... are greedy, selfish, etc. ...
2. God doesn't need man to do His work ... He inspires man ... if man and God are working together ... it was still God behind it all along ...
3. the thing that bothers me about these types of conversations is that first, no one can prove anything on a question like this ... and usually those demanding it doesn't have to be the Lord inspiring ... well, they mostly won't agree with anything less than it could have been someone other than God ... not in my book ... He is the Alpha and the Omega and everything in betwixt ...
4. but mostly, I'd like people to consider this ... if you don't believe the Word (contained in the Bible) is God inspired ... well, then you must also throw out the verses that say Jesus is the Word and well, Jesus Himself ... because if any part of it can't be believed then none of it can be believed ... and if man inspired any of it, it truly would not be the Truth ... man isn't capable of every time across the board in every instance to tell the truth to begin with ...
and no one will ever, God willing, be able to make me believe that Jesus isn't exactly who the Word says He is ... and that the Word is inspired by none other than God ...
I'm reminded of the verses that guide us to remember if anyone comes with any other doctrine throw it out ...
throwing this one out ...
thanks for listening ...
as I said ... JUST MY OPINION
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I haven't read the other replies, so if this is redundant I apologize.
I know that the Word of God is God-inspired because ....
#1. The amount of fulfilled prophecy in scripture. Fully 1/4 of the bible is prophecy, and the accuracy and time spans between some of the prophecies being fulfilled is hundreds to thousands of years later, sometimes even naming people before they were even born.
#2. When scripture touches upon aspects of the world that man couldn't know back then (like the world being round, or the circuits of the "rivers" of water currents in the oceans), it can only be God.
#3. putting these two together...because God said His Word is inspired by Him by the moving of His Spirit upon chosen men, and...
#4. Because God can't lie.
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I believe that the answer actually lies in faith, And agreement of the holy spirit, And the Scriptures.
In Exodus chapter 3, God appeared to Moses as a burning bush, And gave Moses a job to do.
13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
16Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:
I'm sure that someone could argue with Moses, And say that he made all of this up, And it's nothing more than a lie. But Moses knew that it was God that had spoken to him.
God also knew that people wouldn't believe Moses, Unless the things that Moses said agreed with the previous statements that God had spoken to them.
And even after all of that, It's still a matter of faith. The Word of God is spoken, It agrees with previous Words from God, And it agrees with the Holy Spirit within you.
At that point, You are still left with a choice, As to wether you will believe these Words.
People want irrefutable evidence, That God wrote his commandments on a piece of stone, Or they want the actual burning bush tested for other worldly evidence.
But it's not going to happen. No matter what the question, We are always faced with the same choice. Will we have faith in God?
In Exodus chapter 3, God appeared to Moses as a burning bush, And gave Moses a job to do.
13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
16Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:
I'm sure that someone could argue with Moses, And say that he made all of this up, And it's nothing more than a lie. But Moses knew that it was God that had spoken to him.
God also knew that people wouldn't believe Moses, Unless the things that Moses said agreed with the previous statements that God had spoken to them.
And even after all of that, It's still a matter of faith. The Word of God is spoken, It agrees with previous Words from God, And it agrees with the Holy Spirit within you.
At that point, You are still left with a choice, As to wether you will believe these Words.
People want irrefutable evidence, That God wrote his commandments on a piece of stone, Or they want the actual burning bush tested for other worldly evidence.
But it's not going to happen. No matter what the question, We are always faced with the same choice. Will we have faith in God?
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I don't believe it's all correct. Simply read Ecclesiastes, the 2nd verse of the first chapter. Or if you want, if they all had followed Paul's advice and never had children or gotten married, a lot of people wouldn't exist today. A lot of people say the Pope is infallible when he speaks at certain times, and imo, I think in general the church has done just that when it comes to the New Testament. We have ordinary guys who happened to spend time with Jesus, and they are writing letters to people in their new position as pastors and sent ones, and yet we hold them up as if they were divine in nature themselves. If that were the case, Paul would never have needed to rebuke Peter for eating only with the Jews. Paul also would not have had to ask for forgiveness after insulting the high priest. Jesus did leave them with a lot of truth, but Jesus also said the Counselor would lead them into all truth, which means they didn't have it all right then. So yes, the Bible is still useful for seeing what happened with God and for getting truth out of it, but we also need to look at cultural context and not limit God to simply being contained in the Bible (I'm not saying go to other "holy books" though). God is bigger than the Bible, the Bible is not bigger than God.
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Don't know if this has been said... 2 Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
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