Question

[Tu Es Petrus]

Both the law and the gospel of Christ were delivered near that part of the world where Islam originated (Saudi Arabia), so that little Muslim boy you want us all to feel so sorry for is actually without excuse as he was born in the very region of the world that received the Gospel of salvation through Christ first. There is no reason to believe he could not get access to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, particularly in this day and age.

Thats ridiculous. If nobody ever brought the gospel to the boy, then it is not his fault. You think some little kid has a grasp on the history of the region? Give me a break.

Jeez, the judgementalism in this thread is beyond belief. You guys are ready to damn little children to hell.

And they say Catholics are sticklers for rules!! It seems that we show more mercy to others than you do.

 

[ReformedChapin]

The bible doesn't tell us what He does in that case, but it does tell us Who He is, and show us something of His nature. And His nature is love.
If I, an imperfect human, can love and forgive my children, even when they reject me, I am sure that He, whose love is infinitely greater than mine, will not condemn a child who does not know Him to hell.
That doesn't fit with what I know of God.

There is no difference between Children and Adult, by your own logic if God is "love." He would have to say everyone, minus well be a universalist heretic.

 

[Zecryphon]

Thats ridiculous. If nobody ever brought the gospel to the boy, then it is not his fault. You think some little kid has a grasp on the history of the region? Give me a break.

The funny thing is, the gospel of Christ is in that region. So it's totally possible that your scenario could never play out. Missionaries for Christ are everywhere.

Jeez, the judgementalism in this thread is beyond belief. You guys are ready to damn little children to hell.

No one here is damning little children to hell. What is ridiculous here are your baseless accusations of judgmentalism and people damning children to hell. By the way, where is the Biblical evidence for your views. That's been asked for a couple of times now and has oddly never been provided.

And they say Catholics are sticklers for rules!! It seems that we show more mercy to others than you do.

No, Catholics are sticklers for Tradition, not rules. You don't show more mercy than other people or denominations. Please. Any women priests yet in the RCC? Any gays and lesbians allowed to marry according to the RCC? How about abortion or birth control? You guys allowing either one of those? You guys ain't exactly spewing forth the grace, so get over yourself. Your claims of being so graceful and loving are destroyed by your own posts.

You claim to be loving and merciful, but go around this thread calling people judgmental, and accusing anyone who disagrees with you or your view as "damning children to hell." You have destroyed your own credibility. If you ever had any to begin with, which I highly doubt.

 

[Zecryphon]

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[Tu Es Petrus]

This statement was made before any mention of children. Tu Es Petrus, I've asked several times for scripture to back up this assertion. The reason I continue to address this is because it's a dangerous position to have. It sounds similar to the word according to new age Oprah.

She believes everyone who means well and has good intentions will go to heaven. Regardless of religion. This is blatantly false.

I didn't say that everyone will go to heaven. I said that it is POSSIBLE - POSSIBLE - for non-Christians to go to heaven. And if they do, it will be only by the grace of God and His mercy, and the Blood of Christ.

I am a Catholic! I am no New Ager, nor do I believe in relativism regarding religions.

 

[Zecryphon]

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[JustAsIam77]

I didn't say that everyone will go to heaven. I said that it is POSSIBLE - POSSIBLE - for non-Christians to go to heaven. And if they do, it will be only by the grace of God and His mercy, and the Blood of Christ.

I am a Catholic! I am no New Ager, nor do I believe in relativism regarding religions.

No sir, that is not biblical. Any doctrine by anyone that does not hold to biblical truth should be rejected outright because it is found lacking. Any denomination, pastor or teacher must be held to these standards with no exceptions. Biblical scripture is the gold standard and final authority in these matters.

Christ is the way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him.

Blessings.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I didn't say that everyone will go to heaven. I said that it is POSSIBLE - POSSIBLE - for non-Christians to go to heaven. And if they do, it will be only by the grace of God and His mercy, and the Blood of Christ.

I am a Catholic! I am no New Ager, nor do I believe in relativism regarding religions.

NO non-Christians will see heaven.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

....Any gays and lesbians allowed to marry according to the RCC? How about abortion or birth control? You guys allowing either one of those?....

Are you out of your mind? Abortion is MURDER my friend. It is a moral evil that is unacceptable at all times. And homosexual activity is an abomination unto the Lord.

And you think we are wrong because we do not allow those things? We would never allow those things that God has revealed as EVIL.

If Lutheransim is allowing those things, then Lutheranism has gone over the edge. But I suspect that the majority of Lutherans reject those things as we do, which places you outside the confines of your own church's teachings, not to mention the Scriptures.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

I didn't say that everyone will go to heaven. I said that it is POSSIBLE - POSSIBLE - for non-Christians to go to heaven. And if they do, it will be only by the grace of God and His mercy, and the Blood of Christ.

I am a Catholic! I am no New Ager, nor do I believe in relativism regarding religions.

No sir, that is not biblical....

CORRECTION: It is not Biblical in your opinion. There is a difference. You are not God's oracle, and you are not the judge of authentic doctrine. You have a right to your opinion, but do not speak to me in absolutes. It IS Biblical. And THAT is the opinion of the MAJORITY of Christianity - which, by the way, happens to be CATHOLIC, not to mention those protestants who agree with us as well..

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

NO non-Christians will see heaven.

You are wrong. God is judge, not you. God will save whom he pleases, not who you say He should. And if you continue to judge your fellow man, it may well be YOU that will not see heaven.

 

[JustAsIam77]

CORRECTION: It is not Biblical in your opinion. There is a difference. You are not God's oracle, and you are not the judge of authentic doctrine. You have a right to your opinion, but do not speak to me in absolutes. It IS Biblical. And THAT is the opinion of the MAJORITY of Christianity - which, by the way, happens to be CATHOLIC, not to mention those protestants who agree with us as well..

Someone doesn't need to be Gods oracle to be able to read what is clearly in the bible and what is not. Non Christians are lost because they have no mediator in Christ to intercede on their behalf to the Father. They are dead in their sins. Not my opinion, Gods Holy Word says that.

BTW I don't know any Christians that believe it's remotely possible for unbelievers in Jesus to be saved. None.

You can't back up your claim with scripture references because there aren't any.

In Christ

 

[Floatingaxe]

You are wrong. God is judge, not you. God will save whom he pleases, not who you say He should. And if you continue to judge your fellow man, it may well be YOU that will not see heaven.

I am in possession of the Truth. Christians are judges-in-training! God saves who He says He saves and those are people who accept Jesus as their personal Saviour! His word is solid, and even He doesn't violate it.

I will see heaven because I am in relationship with Jesus my Lord.

Why are you so adversarial? Do you not know the true gospel, or have you only the wishy washy feel-good gospel of good works?


John 3:14-16
And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life. For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.




John 14:16
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.


Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Criada]

Someone doesn't need to be Gods oracle to be able to read what is clearly in the bible and what is not. Non Christians are lost because they have no mediator in Christ to intercede on their behalf to the Father. They are dead in their sins. Not my opinion, Gods Holy Word says that.

BTW I don't know any Christians that believe it's remotely possible for unbelievers in Jesus to be saved. None.

You can't back up your claim with scripture references because there aren't any.

In Christ

I do.
God doesn't condemn those who can't make a choice...

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

I am in possession of the Truth.....

Not from what I can see.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

God doesn't condemn those who can't make a choice...

Correct.
Its nice to hear a voice of reason among the howls of condemnation

 

[Floatingaxe]

Not from what I can see.

Then maybe some truth is on order for you.

Those who know Christ have it. That's what makes us alike. Those who are adversarial reveal they are still waiting for it.

 

[JustAsIam77]

I do.
God doesn't condemn those who can't make a choice...

Where is this belief coming from? I'm being serious. I'm willing to be open to it but I have to read it in scripture to believe it. Is it wishful thinking or does it have legs in scripture.

Please provide scripture and verse I can look at.

Thanks