Question?

[blixation]

I've heard of people being so called 'baptised with the Holy Spirit' and as an effect they bark like dogs, start laughing inconsiderably, and other unnatural things of that nature. My question is, is this true and if so, is this of God? (just asking)

 

[Grace_Alone4gives]

As a 'Semi-Charasmatic', I can say that I do believe that when one is overwhelmed with the presence of the HS, it is very common to fall, speak in tongues etcc...I have experienced this first hand.HOWEVER, I do not believe God makes people Bark, Moo, Spit, Howl or cause epilectic episodes.


I would test it if anything and do not take anything at face value.....test, pray and use your descernment. There are a lot of things out there claimed to be of God, but are not.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I've seen people do a lot of crazy things and I believe it was their flesh reacting to the presense of God.

As far as some of the noises. . . if we look at what happend when Jesus was baptized, it says, and the Spirit desended "like" a dove.

What John saw and heard he had never heard before and the only thing he could liken it to was something he had seen before, and that was a "dove". Yet, we know that the Holy Spirit is not a dove.

Also, we need to take a look in Acts when the 120 spilled out into the streets they were accused of being drunk. What do you suppose that sounded like? What do you suppose that looked like?

I've been around a few drunks in the flesh and one thing I know is that they are rowdy. I would guess that is the way they were acting.

So, "barking like dogs", "roaring like lions". . .me thinks these are just the only expressions that a human could compare what they heard to. I personally don't think it's much different than what took place on the day of Penticost, except that 3000 were added to the church in one day. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Blade]

I've heard of people being so called 'baptised with the Holy Spirit' and as an effect they bark like dogs, start laughing inconsiderably, and other unnatural things of that nature. My question is, is this true and if so, is this of God? (just asking)

I don't know about bakr like dogs buy YES. I asked it came. No one should me nothing and I could not live with out him.

 

[Yitzchak]

I am of the opinion that many "manifestations" of the Holy Spirit are forms of prayer and prophetic intercession. This does not make everything which you mentioned a true manifestation of the Holy Spirit. However the scripture does teach in Romans that the Spirit makes intercession through us in various ways including groans.
I cannot speak for anyone else. Myself, I have never been inclined to fake anything. Whether it is falling over or speaking in tongues or whatever manifestation is popular at that time. I have though on occasion when the Spirit has come upon me strongly manifested in unexpected ways. The most common one for myself is crying.Also I often experience bending over at the waist (similar to how the orthodox jews pray at the wailing wall if you have ever seen pictures of them bobing their heads). I have also been unable to stand at times. I have experienced laughing , groans which were quite loud, etc. I have never made animal noises but have always assumed based on my own manifestations that if it is real it must be some form of prophetic intercession. Though that is only a guess.
When I experienced the laughing, It was accompanied by a feeling of release in my spirit that something which I had been travailing for in prayer had been answered and it was a laugh of victory and joy concerning that. The laughing did get quite rowdy though and I am sure would have been disruptive to some who were close by me.
As for the disruptive nature of some of these things. Several churches which I have visited have opted for allowing these things within reason and if they become extremely disruptive then quietly moving the person to a private prayer room where they can manifest to their heart's content without disrupting others. I have not been given any special insight on the governing of such things in churches. I only know that personally when I have experienced unusual manifestations I have been shy and prefered for them to happen in private. Although they are accompanyed by such an overwhelming presence of the Lord and blessing that given a choice between the two, I would rather suffer embarrassment than to quench what the Lord is doing.
I have often heard the advice to not seek the gift but rather to seek the giver which is God. I know it is a cliche, but the only thing I know to say is this. If it happens to you and it is really God, then you will know it. It is not subtle. You may not know for others but if God comes upon you in that powerful a way, you won't have to ask whether it was real or not.
For myself, I am constrained by my early discipleship in the Lord to not take the Lord's name in vain or make mockery of the things of God. So faking anything when it comes to the Holy Spirit is a sin I seek to avoid.

 

[Grace_Alone4gives]

As far as some of the noises. . . if we look at what happend when Jesus was baptized, it says, and the Spirit desended "like" a dove.

What John saw and heard he had never heard before and the only thing he could liken it to was something he had seen before, and that was a "dove". Yet, we know that the Holy Spirit is not a dove

So you are saying Jesus tweeted like a dove after his baptism? That's one I never heard before. Decended = Fell upon= came down....nothing says a dove' spoke' from the Lord. That is reading onto it far too much!

Also, we need to take a look in Acts when the 120 spilled out into the streets they were accused of being drunk. What do you suppose that sounded like? What do you suppose that looked like?

I'm guessing they stumbled around like drunks. Yes, I have seen this happen. I once experienced it myself to where I could not walk properly etc.. However,Do drunks bark...Iv'e never been in a bar where I was confused about whther or not I entered a zoo.

I have never made animal noises but have always assumed based on my own manifestations that if it is real it must be some form of prophetic intercession

Perhaps - but I don't think so. I have actually witnessed people 'howling and mooing' - this is nothing like expressed in Acts. People understodd their brothers and sisters groaning as different toungues in Acts (Languages) not as barnyard animals. My Spirit is very troubled with this.

And yes - I believe in uttereances of the Spirit that are not of this world, but a Spiritual language. However, I doubt Cows are represented spiritually.

So faking anything when it comes to the Holy Spirit is a sin I seek to avoid.

Agreed

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

So you are saying Jesus tweeted like a dove after his baptism? That's one I never heard before. Decended = Fell upon= came down....nothing says a dove' spoke' from the Lord. That is reading onto it far too much!

Oh please. . . surely you know that was not what I was saying at all

When John gave the description of the Holy Spirit descending he wrote, "like a dove". He saw something he had never seen before and the only way he could describe it was to compare it to a dove descending. And I believe that is comparible to what people are saying when they say barking like dogs. As I've shared at other times. . .one time I was hooting and shouting praises to God, ya know the same way people do at ball games, and a lady came up to me afterword and said I sounded like a choo choo train. Would you then say that we are acting like trains? Give me a break.

I'm guessing they stumbled around like drunks. Yes, I have seen this happen. I once experienced it myself to where I could not walk properly etc.. However,Do drunks bark...Iv'e never been in a bar where I was confused about whther or not I entered a zoo.

Again, you seem to have totally mis-understood what I wrote. I've never been confused in any of these meetings. The only confused people I've seen are those standing around in judgement trying to figure out what animal or inanimate object they could compare the sound and activity to.

Perhaps - but I don't think so. I have actually witnessed people 'howling and mooing' - this is nothing like expressed in Acts. People understodd their brothers and sisters groaning as different toungues in Acts (Languages) not as barnyard animals. My Spirit is very troubled with this.

Well. . .since none of us were there. . .we don't really know.

And yes - I believe in uttereances of the Spirit that are not of this world, but a Spiritual language. However, I doubt Cows are represented spiritually.

Just a human using what they know to explain what they don't know.

 

[Grace_Alone4gives]

Oh please. . . surely you know that was not what I was saying at all

Whew! Im glad - I was floored to say the least! That is not like you. I am glad I misunderstood you.

Well. . .since none of us were there. . .we don't really know.

But the bible is clear that they understood what they heard in other tongues.


I still can not see how mooing is considered a toungue or praises to God.
I will leave it at that.

 

[dignitized]

The HS edifies, it does not degrade. Barking like a dog would be degrading - imitating a lower life form.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Whew! Im glad - I was floored to say the least! That is not like you. I am glad I misunderstood you.


But the bible is clear that they understood what they heard in other tongues.

But it does not describe "everything" they heard. They heard words spoken in their languages but what other sounds might there have been? They were drunk. I find it hard to believe that the only sounds coming fromt the mouths of all 120 people were languages that were discernable. They would not have thought they were drunk otherwise. My opinion anyway.

I still can not see how mooing is considered a toungue or praises to God.
I will leave it at that.

I can't see how a choo choo train is considered a tongue or praise to God either, but that's what some lady thought I was doing. Was I really, purposely imitating a train? Like is like. It's not is.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

The HS edifies, it does not degrade. Barking like a dog would be degrading - imitating a lower life form.

The people this is happing to do not feel degraded. If you have degrading thought toward these people that is sin on your part. . .not their's.

 

[imasharp]

I just had to say that I have been hit by the spirit of laughter and it was like a release. I don't even know what all was going. I just know that when I got up from my sitting position that I was so light. I have also notice a lot more joy in my life. I wish everyone could experience this once anyway.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I just had to say that I have been hit by the spirit of laughter and it was like a release. I don't even know what all was going. I just know that when I got up from my sitting position that I was so light. I have also notice a lot more joy in my life. I wish everyone could experience this once anyway.

That's what happend with me too. All the stress just left. The Bible says, Laughter doeth good like a medicine. Better than Prozak I would say.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

That's what happend with me too. All the stress just left. The Bible says, Laughter doeth good like a medicine. Better than Prozak I would say.

From the Great Physician no doubt!

 

[dignitized]

The people this is happing to do not feel degraded. If you have degrading thought toward these people that is sin on your part. . .not their's.

FEELING is not an issue here. The Holy Spirit edifies and lifts up. He does not degrade and cause people to act in base ways. How is it edifying for a person to imitate lesser creatures? It does not matter how they FEEL on the matter. We cannot go on FEELINGS when it comes to right and wrong.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

FEELING is not an issue here. The Holy Spirit edifies and lifts up. He does not degrade and cause people to act in base ways. How is it edifying for a person to imitate lesser creatures? It does not matter how they FEEL on the matter. We cannot go on FEELINGS when it comes to right and wrong.

Again Br Max, that is based on your perception. The Holy Spirit is most certaintly not seeing these people as degraded. The degradation is in your perception. . .not how a person is reacting to Him.

 

[dignitized]

SO everything is relative to the perception of the people involved?? rotfl

OKAY - I'll play the perception game. The HS within me cries out that this is NOT of God.

 

[dignitized]

ANIMISM is a historically OCCULT practice. This taking on teh characteristics of animals and behaving in very UNHUMAN ways is NOT of God. There is no basis for it in Scripture, nor is there any basis for it in Christianity. It purely of Occult origins.

This smack painfully of the acts of the priests of Baal.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

SO everything is relative to the perception of the people involved?? rotfl

OKAY - I'll play the perception game. The HS within me cries out that this is NOT of God.

Br. Max,

If you read what I write and think that I'm idiot. . .does that mean I am? It means that is what you think. . .but since His thoughts are not the same as yours or mine, we can then conclude that He may not agree with you, and it what He thinks that matters.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

ANIMISM is a historically OCCULT practice. This taking on teh characteristics of animals and behaving in very UNHUMAN ways is NOT of God. There is no basis for it in Scripture, nor is there any basis for it in Christianity. It purely of Occult origins.

This smack painfully of the acts of the priests of Baal.

Nobody is taking on the characteristics of animals. Are you not reading anything that I've written?