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[Sophia7]

p.s. now after all of this, i hope there is more reasons why shown that this denomination is such a controversial denomination amongst us Christians. i didn't mean to get debating over one issue here

I'm sure there are plenty of other Adventist beliefs you would find controversial as well, but I was addressing this one because you seemed to have a particular question about why we believe the way we do on this subject. The Sabbath is one of the most obvious things that sets us apart from other Christian denominations.

 

[Im_A]

I'm sure there are plenty of other Adventist beliefs you would find controversial as well, but I was addressing this one because you seemed to have a particular question about why we believe the way we do on this subject. The Sabbath is one of the most obvious things that sets us apart from other Christian denominations.

to be frank, i dont' know if i would find them controversial. i mean for example "annihilationism" is consider heretical to most Christians today (no matter if there is a leaning more towards it with specific groups.) well i'm on the flip side that. i'm on my way towards universalism big time. so i can see it like this.

how could i think your beliefs are controversial, when i know some things i believe in is controversial to some? i find that to be hypocrticial to be quite frank so my OP was more along the lines ofwhy the other Christian denominations find your denomination to be such a controversial/heretical/(as some would sadly say) a cult.

your right i was trying to understand the way SDA's understood the whole sabbath thing. and i think i'm getting a better understanding of why SDA's view it as they do, even tho it's still a bit hazy but hey, i don't have to understand everything God Bless you! <><

 

[tall73]

Define controversial in this instance? Wouldn't something they consider to be heretical be controversial? Or are you saing it is not because they don't debate it but merely dismiss it?

In any case, if you mean what others view as heretical, false etc. you mean controversial, many would think that doctrine of the investigative judgement to be the most contoversial one of all of our beliefs.

 

[Im_A]

Define controversial in this instance? Wouldn't something they consider to be heretical be controversial? Or are you saing it is not because they don't debate it but merely dismiss it?

In any case, if you mean what others view as heretical, false etc. you mean controversial, many would think that doctrine of the investigative judgement to be the most contoversial one of all of our beliefs.

i see your point in a way. i guess it could many ways with controversial, either one they see controversial things as heresy, or just the fact it's controversial so they dimiss it. ok i'll put it like this.

what is in the SDA's doctrine that causes such a ruckos (sp?) amongst other Christians? why is it that SDA is put into the category of cults when i have read books on cults.

 

[tall73]

I would kind of assume that they would tell you themselves if they classified us as such

But the reasons already listed are the main ones.

Some include the fact that we claim that Ellen White, one of the early members of the church, was a prophet.

or that some interpret the azazel goat in the day of atonement service to be a symbol of satan who pays for the sins he had a role in bringing about.

We also tend to keep the dietary laws in leviticus...no eating pork and shellfish etc.

but basically if you have no problems with the ones so far, you are unlikely to find much more to complain about.

 

[payattention]

or that some interpret the azazel goat in the day of atonement service to be a symbol of satan who pays for the sins he had a role in bringing about.

Another area in which we have misinterpreted the biblical message and are not willing to revisit it. Christians have misinterpreted what Azazel stands for because they have assumed that the two goats in Lev. were selected for two offerings when the Bible says that the priest was to select two goat for "an offering." That is significant but personal opinion was elevated about the text.

 

[tall73]

Personally I think in that particular teaching there might be more evidence to suggest that both refer to various aspects of Christ's ministry. After all, it says he makes atonement with it. Wouldn't think Satan makes atonement in any way.

 

[HoneyDew]

Personally I think in that particular teaching there might be more evidence to suggest that both refer to various aspects of Christ's ministry. After all, it says he makes atonement with it. Wouldn't think Satan makes atonement in any way.

Good followup to Pay's post. I agree that Satan does not make atonement for us, so the scapegoat scenario bears revisiting.

 

[tall73]

Yes, but then with this, as with many, you can't do that because it might involve an EGW comment!

Which is a really big post waiting to happen. Is Ellen White the final interpreter of scripture for the church.

It is a debate that is happening everywhere, whether we admit it or not.

 

[StormyOne]

Yes, but then with this, as with many, you can't do that because it might involve an EGW comment!

Which is a really big post waiting to happen. Is Ellen White the final interpreter of scripture for the church.

It is a debate that is happening everywhere, whether we admit it or not.

True it is, and no she is not....