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[Im_A]

what's so controversial about the Seventh Day Adventists?

i don't know too much about this denomination, but oddly enough, when i was really younger, my father and i went to a prophecy seminar in this church during their study. i still have the Bible they gave me, and a book i got from the church. haven't read that book yet, after all these years.

so i was just wanting to know, what is so controversial about Seventh Day Adventism?

(please only followers of Seventh Day Adventists reply to this. i don't know what to know why non-Seventh Day Adventists think its controversial. that would be pointless to me. i just want to know what the Seventh Day Adventists think the reasons this church is so controversial amongst modern Christians.)

 

[Sophia7]

You might check out the sticky post by PaleHorse on the Seventh-day Adventist fundamental beliefs. There is also a link there to the official website of the Adventist Church. That should answer your question about what makes us different from other Christian denominations.

 

[Im_A]

You might check out the sticky post by PaleHorse on the Seventh-day Adventist fundamental beliefs. There is also a link there to the official website of the Adventist Church. That should answer your question about what makes us different from other Christian denominations.

all i saw was what the beliefs are, and then scripture citations. nothing controversial, just making statements.

so i guess i'm asking comparisions on differences in doctrine as compared to the rest of the Christian denominations.

 

[tall73]

The following beliefs are generally held to be heterodox..ie...not orthodox ...by some religions. It is of note however that most classifiers do not consider us a cult because we agree with most Christians on the basics of

a. righteousness by faith through Christ's sacrifice
b. The Bible is inspired by God and is the final rule of faith.

and a few other necessities.

We do however differ with many churches in the following respects. For additional textual support see the link above.

a. We believe that Jesus is coming soon BEFORE the millinnium. Now this doesn't sound all that radical today, but when the church was founded that view was fairly rare.

b. We honor the 4th commandment to

EX 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

We see the day as one set apart by God, made holy, and blessed, with the purpose being to not do just our own thing as we would on other days of the week ,but to spend the day with God, growing closer to Him. Because of this we honor the time from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown as a special day. We attend church at this time generally, rather than on Sunday.

c. We believe that the dead do not go immediately to heaven or hell, but that they sleep in the grave until the resurrection as the Bible affirms in many places:

JN 5:28 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

c. We believe that the wicked are not tormented forever in hell, but in fact are destroyed. The soul is not some disembodied spirit, but can in fact die.

2TH 1:5 All this is evidence that God's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

MT 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

It is interesting to note that in each of the above beliefs there are other churches that agree with us. But we are pretty much the only ones who hold to all of them save perhaps the Seventh-day Church of God.

There is also one other teaching which is a unique doctrinal contribution to Christendom, and that is the teaching of an investigative judgement. To understand this I refer you to the link above as it does not lend to quick exaplanation.

God bless.

 

[payattention]

Tall73 explained it well. I think what makes us truly controversial among Protestants is our belief that our church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy meaning that at the end of time every Christian alive will have become a member of our church. Personally, I believe that our church was brought into being to achieve a special task of ushering the Second Coming but I hold to a less exclusive view of the remnant.

 

[Im_A]

Tall73 explained it well. I think what makes us truly controversial among Protestants is our belief that our church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy meaning that at the end of time every Christian alive will have become a member of our church. Personally, I believe that our church was brought into being to achieve a special task of ushering the Second Coming but I hold to a less exclusive view of the remnant.

kind of comparable to how the Jehovah Witnesses believe that the 144,000 in Revelations is people of that denomination i take it? (no i'm not comparing Seventh Day Adventism to Jehovah Witnesses, but just the idea of how the End Times theory being only for that denomination is the only comparision i'm making here )

 

[SassySDA]

kind of comparable to how the Jehovah Witnesses believe that the 144,000 in Revelations is people of that denomination i take it? (no i'm not comparing Seventh Day Adventism to Jehovah Witnesses, but just the idea of how the End Times theory being only for that denomination is the only comparision i'm making here )

We are not Jehova's Witnesses, nothing even remotely close.


God promises, in the end times, to call His people out of the belly of the harlot. That's scriptural, not what I think...

Now, that doesn't mean we believe that everyone who is going to go with Jesus when He returns will necessarily JOIN OUR church before He gets here. No, not at all. What it means is that these folks will have the testimony of Jesus, and they will be obeying God's law...keeping ALL of the commandments not just 9 of them. There are other churches besides ours that worship on the true Sabbath. So to say that we believe everyone will be a Seventh-day Adventist is misleading. It will be fine with me if everyone wants to join SDA, I'm saying that wouldn't be necessarily the case. The necessity will be that one has the "seal of God", not an SDA membership.

 

[Im_A]

We are not Jehova's Witnesses, nothing even remotely close.


God promises, in the end times, to call His people out of the belly of the harlot. That's scriptural, not what I think...

Now, that doesn't mean we believe that everyone who is going to go with Jesus when He returns will necessarily JOIN OUR church before He gets here. No, not at all. What it means is that these folks will have the testimony of Jesus, and they will be obeying God's law...keeping ALL of the commandments not just 9 of them. There are other churches besides ours that worship on the true Sabbath. So to say that we believe everyone will be a Seventh-day Adventist is misleading. It will be fine with me if everyone wants to join SDA, I'm saying that wouldn't be necessarily the case. The necessity will be that one has the "seal of God", not an SDA membership.

i wasn't saying that sda are like the jehovah witnesses by any means, but the idea that only that church's denomination is going to be the one that is the last remenant and that reminded me of how Jehovah Witnesses believe that 144,000 in Revelations is them, that's all

but if you beleive that SDA has the seal of God, then basically the statement is that it will only be those of SDA correct?

i'm not trying to be sarcastic or making some attempt to prove your beliefs are wrong. i'm not like that. just asking open, honest questions with what i have received on this thread thus far God Bless you! <><

 

[TrustAndObey]

Hi Tatted! Adventists believe that God's children are in ALL denominations. The remnants are the ones (people individually) that keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Im_A]

Hi Tatted! Adventists believe that God's children are in ALL denominations. The remnants are the ones (people individually) that keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

ok, so why so particular to the SDA then if you don't mind me asking

 

[TrustAndObey]

Are you asking me why I personally joined the SDA church over all others?

If so, the first thing I'd have to say is they follow the 4th commandment of God to keep the seventh day (Saturday) holy. Then the state of the dead came next.....along with many other reasons.

It's not popular, but it is biblical.

 

[payattention]

Hi Tatted! Adventists believe that God's children are in ALL denominations. The remnants are the ones (people individually) that keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

More precisely, as the word is used in the text it refers to the final group of Christians who will be alive when our Lord returns. We often refer to the analogy of a bolt of cloth. This emphasis on the individual demonstrates why it may not be best to think of our church as being the Remnant church. It's remnant theology stands in my estimation.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I don't know anyone in the Adventist church that believes we are the only group of people that will go to heaven. In fact, the Adventists I know all agree that there will be Adventists that don't make it either. We are judged individually, not as a church.

As a church, however, our doctrine is to keep the commandments of God and the faith/testimony of Jesus Christ. That doesn't make us better than anybody else, and it definitely doesn't mean every member DOES what we're supposed to, but at least the church does teach this standard.

Remnant does mean a piece of cloth, that's where the word comes from. A person that is a remnant will be cut from the same exact piece of cloth (symbolic for doctrine or church) that Jesus Christ taught on this earth. They believe and teach exactly as He believed and taught. But again, judgment is on an individual basis.

 

[payattention]

I don't know anyone in the Adventist church that believes we are the only group of people that will go to heaven.

You should be thankful that you are a very recent convert. Many errors have had to be corrected after being exposed to the harsh glare of reality.

Remnant does mean a piece of cloth, that's where the word comes from. A person that is a remnant will be cut from the same exact piece of cloth (symbolic for doctrine or church) that Jesus Christ taught on this earth.

This is what I meant when I said we refer to the analogy of a bolt of cloth.

 

[Cliff2]

what's so controversial about the Seventh Day Adventists?

i don't know too much about this denomination, but oddly enough, when i was really younger, my father and i went to a prophecy seminar in this church during their study. i still have the Bible they gave me, and a book i got from the church. haven't read that book yet, after all these years.

so i was just wanting to know, what is so controversial about Seventh Day Adventism?

(please only followers of Seventh Day Adventists reply to this. i don't know what to know why non-Seventh Day Adventists think its controversial. that would be pointless to me. i just want to know what the Seventh Day Adventists think the reasons this church is so controversial amongst modern Christians.)

There are other denominations that keep the Sabbath so that really is not so cotroversial.

Then others are just as hard even harder as to who the mark of the beast is, so that is not a reason.

Others believe in soul sleep, the Second Coming as we do, end time events as we do, the first and second resurection as we do.

But I can tell you now there is only one Church and that is the SDA Church that believes in the Investigative Judgement that began in 1844. This is the only doctrine that stands out to be totally different to any other Christian Church.

Every other doctrine can be found in another Church.

 

[SassySDA]

i wasn't saying that sda are like the jehovah witnesses by any means, but the idea that only that church's denomination is going to be the one that is the last remenant and that reminded me of how Jehovah Witnesses believe that 144,000 in Revelations is them, that's all

but if you beleive that SDA has the seal of God, then basically the statement is that it will only be those of SDA correct?

i'm not trying to be sarcastic or making some attempt to prove your beliefs are wrong. i'm not like that. just asking open, honest questions with what i have received on this thread thus far God Bless you! <><

GENERALLY, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT OUR CHURCH WILL BE THE CHURCH OF THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL ASCEND TO JESUS WHEN HE RETURNS.

I say generally, why? Because I can't speak for every last living SDA on the planet. It's not what is taught, anyway. Well, here I go again, I have to say it wasn't taught to ME when I joined. I cannot say it isn't being taught elsewhere, and if I don't bring that out, someone else will.

I do believe that my fellow brethren SHOULD have the seal of God and the testimony of Jesus, because they have been taught this. However, I do not know individual hearts, so I cannot speak for them all.

I was very clear in what I said...

One must have the seal of God, the testimony of Jesus by the time He returns, not an SDA membership. That's very clear. When I say "one must" I mean everyone...it doesn't matter WHAT denomination you belong to. The wonderful thing about these requirements is that it is available to ALL, to every living human being on this earth, right now today. You don't have to be a Catholic to have it, a Baptist to have it, a Presbytarian to have it, and you certainly don't HAVE to be an SDA to have it. You have to be a child of God...that is the one and only requirement I know of.

Blessings...

 

[goofy1]

Hi, I have a simple question to you all, Is the SDA only one who worship on Saturdays? Who else worship on Saturdays?

Thank you.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Hi, I have a simple question to you all, Is the SDA only one who worship on Saturdays?

No Goofy there are many denominations that do. Seventh day Baptists, some Church of God, etc. I could probably get you a full list off the internet.

However, I also want you to know that we don't just worship God on Saturday (we worship Him every day), we rest on that day per the commandment and keep it holy.

 

[payattention]

Hi, I have a simple question to you all, Is the SDA only one who worship on Saturdays?

Thank you.

I think I know what you mean. There are several Sabbatarian groups in existence. Try googling that. One well known group are the Seventh-day Baptists from whom the Seventh-day Adventists got the truth about the Sabbath.

 

[goofy1]

No Goofy there are many denominations that do. Seventh day Baptists, some Church of God, etc. I could probably get you a full list off the internet.

However, I also want you to know that we don't just worship God on Saturday (we worship Him every day), we rest on that day per the commandment and keep it holy.

Thank you Trust, would you give me a list please?