Question: What are the conditions for salvation?

[scruffydog]

How many, and what are they?

 

[HTacianas]

How many, and what are they?

I'm not sure exactly what your question is. There are no conditions for salvation in the sense that someone needs to meet them beforehand. Salvation is granted by God's grace through faith in Christ, regardless of anything someone may have done previously, see Ephesians 2.

To remain in salvation requires obedience. The writer to the Romans has it:

Rom 6:16 - Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

 

[Sabertooth]

How many, and what are they?

THIS PAGE clarified them for me [in other languages].

 

[scruffydog]

I'm not sure exactly what your question is. There are no conditions for salvation in the sense that someone needs to meet them beforehand. Salvation is granted by God's grace through faith in Christ, regardless of anything someone may have done previously, see Ephesians 2.

To remain in salvation requires obedience. The writer to the Romans has it:

Rom 6:16 - Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

So your answer would be two then? Faith and obedience?

 

[Sam91]

God enables obedience. God grants salvation through grace. I don't think anyone is proud enough to be saying that salvation is down to themselves but recognises that it is through Christ that we have been redeemed.

I, for one, believe that unless in a situation like the thief on the cross next to Jesus, then we don't just believe and go to Heaven. If there is time on Earth after confessing Christ as Lord then we walk with Him.

There is the duty to remain in Him and that is enabled through the Spirit to be obedient to God. We need to obey the commandments written on our hearts, we are not to quench the Spirit. We ought to expect to see the fruit of the Spirit growing in our lives and thoughtlife. We ought to expect our vision of God's greatness to expand, our humility grow and our actions to be in line with our convictions.

If that isn't happening then something is amiss and our knees is the best place to seek out forgiveness and answers. Our life, is one of obedience to our Sovereign Lord God Almighty and His will is our delight.

 

[scruffydog]

God enables obedience. God grants salvation through grace. I don't think anyone is proud enough to be saying that salvation is down to themselves but recognises that it is through Christ that we have been redeemed.

I, for one, believe that unless in a situation like the thief on the cross next to Jesus, then we don't just believe and go to Heaven. If there is time on Earth after confessing Christ as Lord then we walk with Him.

There is the duty to remain in Him and that is enabled through the Spirit to be obedient to God. We need to obey the commandments written on our hearts, we are not to quench the Spirit. We ought to expect to see the fruit of the Spirit growing in our lives and thoughtlife. We ought to expect our vision of God's greatness to expand, our humility grow and our actions to be in line with our convictions.

If that isn't happening then something is amiss and our knees is the best place to seek out forgiveness and answers. Our life, is one of obedience to our Sovereign Lord God Almighty and His will is our delight.

So your answer would be two also or just one?

 

[Sam91]

So your answer would be two also or just one?

Grace and mercy.

 

[scruffydog]

Grace and mercy.

So two then. You don't believe that simple faith in Christ qualities someone to go to heaven then? Just trying to clarify.

 

[HTacianas]

So your answer would be two then? Faith and obedience?

That would be a start yes.

 

[scruffydog]

That would be a start yes.

So would there be more then? How many more?

 

[Sam91]

So your answer would be two also or just one?

However, more than that.

We also need to be created in the first place and survived pregnancy etc.

In fact the Earth needed created. God's plan needed to be put into effect. Israel's law and many prophets needed to happen so that people could understand sin and the need for a Saviour. Most need to hear to believe. There are so many conditions that needed to be fulfilled and many others to come to a point in order to be able to trust God and in Christ's finished work.

Proverbs 3:5-6 shows the way.
1) Trust 2) Acknowledge Him and not lean on own understanding. 3) God will order our steps.

 

[Sam91]

So two then. You don't believe that simple faith in Christ qualities someone to go to heaven then? Just trying to clarify.

I said if in a position like the thief on the cross. However, if we live after it then we live the life He sets out for us.


If we love Him we will obey Him. If we abide in Him then we will love what is good. We will trust, hope, persevere and go in His strength to do His will. He teaches, guides, protects. We rest in Him, walk in the Spirit, grow in Him and and in love, and obey.

 

[scruffydog]

However, more than that.

We also need to be created in the first place and survived pregnancy etc.

In fact the Earth needed created. God's plan needed to be put into effect. Israel's law and many prophets needed to happen so that people could understand sin and the need for a Saviour. Most need to hear to believe. There are so many conditions that needed to be fulfilled and many others to come to a point in order to be able to trust God and in Christ's finished work.

Proverbs 3:5-6 shows the way.
1) Trust 2) Acknowledge Him and not lean on own understanding. 3) God will order our steps.

So given all that, right now, if I want to go to heaven when I die, to be saved in the common vernacular, how many conditions do I have to meet now in order to be saved?

 

[Sam91]

So given all that, right now, if I want to go to heaven when I die, to be saved in the common vernacular, how many conditions do I have to meet now in order to be saved?

Abide in Him. Be His. I take it He has granted you faith?

 

[scruffydog]

I said if in a position like the thief on the cross. However, if we live after it then we live the life He sets out for us.


If we love Him we will obey Him. If we abide in Him then we will love what is good. We will trust, hope, persevere and go in His strength to do His will. He teaches, guides, protects. We rest in Him, walk in the Spirit, grow in Him and and in love, and obey.

can you just give me a number?

 

[scruffydog]

Abide in Him. Be His. I take it He has granted you faith?

So thats just one then?

 

[HTacianas]

So would there be more then? How many more?

Participating in the sacramental life of the Church. I don't know of an exact number. Generally, through faith one repents of sin, accepts the sacrifice of Christ for forgiveness of previous sins through baptism, receives the Holy Spirit through chrismation, and participates in the sacraments.

 

[Sam91]

So thats just one then?

I don't know. I don't presume to know. Micah 6:8 in my signature says we are to love kindness, do justice and walk humbly with Him. The NT sets out many other things we should do or be.

I quoted proverbs 3:5-6. I trust in Him. Where I am wrong He knows my heart. He has promised to protect me (Psalm 91). He has warned me in Revelation 2 and 3 not to grow lukewarm and to overcome. Proverbs 3 says to trust in Him and He will order my paths.

 

[scruffydog]

So everyone who has answered so far would say that believing Jesus Christ was not enough, no guarantee I would be saved.
Is that what I'm hearing?

 

[Sam91]

can you just give me a number?

It would be reductionist and heretical to boil it down to a number. I would definitely see it as a sin for me to do so. What if in doing so I misled someone?

It is through God's grace that we are saved. That gift is too great to make light of. We don't deserve it and could never live a spotless, Holy life alone. I haven't yet been able to do so. We are told to be Holy as He is Holy. We are also told to be perfect.

Paul believed but did not count the prize as already sure (Philippians). Peter said we are to live lives amomgst our neighbours beyond reproach. James made a good point about knowing who we are in Christ and living it out. About being doers of the word and not like the hearers only who look in the mirror and forget what they look like. He pointed out a paragraph or two later that if we just bid someone who is destitute goodwill but don't help them then its wrong. Which Jesus speaks of this same subject when He refers to the good that we do for those in need around us as being done for Him but speaks negatively of those who didn't.

So to boil it down to a small number would be sinful as it is ignoring scripture. However, I know that any works that I do are not to be boasted of, or proud about. I couldn't enumerate tasks like a checklist either because God grants understanding and capabilities and it really isn't about us really.

We are insignificant and it is a wonder that the Lord God Almighty does all He does in our lives. How we are guided, led and provided for. It is miraculous, awesome and a testiment to His omnipotence and in our limited capacity can not grasp how glorious He is. To advocate believing only as enough when Jesus said to people to go sin no more would be heresy.

I am saved through Christ alone and not of myself. I consider myself as very fortunate to believe but don't class that as something to be proud of but to be grateful to Him for.