Question regarding house purchase- please help....

[ChristianCenturion]

The point being made here is that you are insinuating yourself into the business of strangers. My mother and stepfather are both Christians (she's Catholic, he's Lutheran). He left my mother for another woman. She was extremely depressed and had to go through 5 years of therapy.

When they were selling the house, they were going through personal devastation and all kinds of trauma. If someone (a stranger) had given their unsolicited advbice (as you suggest) to the likes of "Try to work it out. Jesus doesn't like divorce. Yadda yadda yadda," it would have brought my poor mother even more grief and worsened an already stressful situation. That kind of nosiness is disrespectful and hurts others more than it helps. You have no way of knowing why they were divorcing: adultery, alcoholism, abuse. Sometimes it's best to keep your nose out of other people's affairs and trust that God, and caring family members and friends (not nervy strangers) will be there for them.

It is NOT your place.

Truly a sad story and I'll note your opinion.
You will forgive me if I don't abandon my allegiance and 'learn my place' and speak only when spoken to... as you so eloquently put it.

Yet another reaction of hostility to a simple suggestion to 'consider' something. Notice that I did not instruct the poster to do something, only to consult the Councilor. It amazes me that such a simple mention of the One True God and His ways seems to incite such a knee-jerk reaction from some.

 

[Krysia]

Truly a sad story and I'll note your opinion.
You will forgive me if I don't abandon my allegiance and 'learn my place' and speak only when spoken to... as you so eloquently put it.

Yet another reaction of hostility to a simple suggestion to 'consider' something. Notice that I did not instruct the poster to do something, only to consult the Councilor. It amazes me that such a simple mention of the One True God and His ways seems to incite such a knee-jerk reaction from some.

No knee-jerk reaction to the poster consulting a Counselor, but definitely a knee-jerk reaction to your suggestion of butting in on their (the people selling the house) personal tragedy to offer them unsolicited counseling. Counselors (such as marriage counselors, those who man various hotlines, and volunteers for abuse centers, etc.) go through training to handle certain situations, and then also know that they can only really help when the people in question willingly seek help. If you have no training in these areas, you have no idea how to "counsel" effectively and end up doing more harm than good.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

No knee-jerk reaction to the poster consulting a Counselor, but definitely a knee-jerk reaction to your suggestion of butting in on their (the people selling the house) personal tragedy to offer them unsolicited counseling. Counselors (such as marriage counselors, those who man various hotlines, and volunteers for abuse centers, etc.) go through training to handle certain situations, and then also know that they can only really help when the people in question willingly seek help. If you have no training in these areas, you have no idea how to "counsel" effectively and end up doing more harm than good.

I can understand a non-believer not knowing what I was referring to when mentioning The Councilor.

 

[Phred]

You could try.

If you stick your nose where it doesn't belong, you have no one to blame but yourself if it gets cut off.

I also see a degree of irony here as well; going from a sincere attempt to help a degenerating marriage that may be able to be reconciled with a beginning of a few simple and innocent questions to a response of physical threats and/or violence.

An attempt that shows contempt of another person, their right to make their own decisions and not be treated like a child. You do not know better because you believe in a deity. You have no place making any commentary whatsoever. A house is for sale. That's all you have a right to comment upon.

You're talking to the wrong person if you think I let the world's threats and hate of God force me into isolation and silencing me if and when the Spirit moves me. You would also be placing it out of context if you were to take what I said and force it to mean that I would hound the people.

If you think your belief in a deity allows you to be rude and insensitive... you're wrong. What you suggested is out of place and impolite. Nobody asked you... I'm not suggesting you would hound them, but placing your definition of sin upon them uninvited may not be welcome.

You fail to see that with what I suggested considering; if there was an attempt to see if I could be an instrument in helping the marriage reconcile, and that attempt failed, the question of guilt and uncertainty would be eliminated. IOW - free to grab the 'good deal'.

I do know where you were doing. I just don't agree with the path you took to get there. I happen to think that a couple going thru a divorce has enough to worry about without intervention by a well-meaning Christian who doesn't know the story and hasn't been invited to ask. You're a stranger to them, you have no right placing your definition of sin upon them.

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[Krysia]

I can understand a non-believer not knowing what I was referring to when mentioning The Councilor.

coun·cil·or also coun·cil·lor
n.
A member of a council, as one convened to advise a governor

??

 

[Krysia]

If the owners are divorcing and haven't finalized it, have you considered talking with them about this - try to see if you can help them from not divorcing?

Now, here is what everyone has been talking about. Your suggestion that Hooch butts into their affairs. Not your quote regarding some "Councilor," but your advocating Hooch and his wife to offer unsolicited advice to complete strangers regarding a situation of which they have no knowledge and no training in order to help. It is none of their business, and again, they would do more harm than good.

Does that clarify it a bit for you?

Sheesh.

 

[Krysia]

If you stick your nose where it doesn't belong, you have no one to blame but yourself if it gets cut off.


An attempt that shows contempt of another person, their right to make their own decisions and not be treated like a child. You do not know better because you believe in a deity. You have no place making any commentary whatsoever. A house is for sale. That's all you have a right to comment upon.


If you think your belief in a deity allows you to be rude and insensitive... you're wrong. What you suggested is out of place and impolite. Nobody asked you... I'm not suggesting you would hound them, but placing your definition of sin upon them uninvited may not be welcome.


I do know where you were doing. I just don't agree with the path you took to get there. I happen to think that a couple going thru a divorce has enough to worry about without intervention by a well-meaning Christian who doesn't know the story and hasn't been invited to ask. You're a stranger to them, you have no right placing your definition of sin upon them.

Excellent post! I couldn't agree more

 

[Krysia]

Notice that I did not instruct the poster to do something, only to consult the Councilor. It amazes me that such a simple mention of the One True God and His ways seems to incite such a knee-jerk reaction from some.

If the owners are divorcing and haven't finalized it, have you considered talking with them about this - try to see if you can help them from not divorcing? I don't know if that is what you are to do or if this is or is not something you should try, but I don't believe in coincidences and I am only asking if you have considered it.

It amazes me that someone could be so forgetful as to not remember what he posted 2 pages ago. Your posts are in direct conflict.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

It amazes me that someone could be so forgetful as to not remember what he posted 2 pages ago. Your posts are in direct conflict.

LOL
If you only knew.
Being that Hooch has a Christian designation, I trust that HE knows that the Councilor I suggested consulting is the Holy Ghost. This continued... whatever it is that you are displaying... is only reinforcing my statements. If the Spirit moves them to do something, it is nobody that is in a place to say differently. You simply don't understand what was said and are embarrassing yourself.

 

[MoodyBlue]

Truly a sad story and I'll note your opinion.
You will forgive me if I don't abandon my allegiance and 'learn my place' and speak only when spoken to... as you so eloquently put it.

Yet another reaction of hostility to a simple suggestion to 'consider' something. Notice that I did not instruct the poster to do something, only to consult the Councilor. It amazes me that such a simple mention of the One True God and His ways seems to incite such a knee-jerk reaction from some.

Just to note once again, these folks did "consult the Councilor", and apparently he gave them a mixed message about purchasing the house. But, nary a word (or nudge) about fixing the sellers marital problems. They also consulted with their pastor, who apparently had no such suggestion either (although, he would be the logical one to make any overtures towards the divorcing couple). No hostility here, brother, just a disagreement over methods.

 

[Krysia]

LOL
If you only knew.
Being that Hooch has a Christian designation, I trust that HE knows that the Councilor I suggested consulting is the Holy Ghost. This continued... whatever it is that you are displaying... is only reinforcing my statements. If the Spirit moves them to do something, it is nobody that is in a place to say differently. You simply don't understand what was said and are embarrassing yourself.

Cute distraction "you're embarrassing yourself." Not very effective, so I'll ask again as you have yet to answer my post:

Did you, or did you not advise Hooch to talk to the divorcing couple and try to help them from not divorcing?

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Now, here is what everyone has been talking about. Your suggestion that Hooch butts into their affairs. Not your quote regarding some "Councilor," but your advocating Hooch and his wife to offer unsolicited advice to complete strangers regarding a situation of which they have no knowledge and no training in order to help. It is none of their business, and again, they would do more harm than good.

Does that clarify it a bit for you?

Sheesh.

Again, I can understand a non-believer not knowing what "pray and consider" means to a Christian, but you should be more careful in your demonstrations (interesting root word there) against how Christians practice their faith.
But I thank you in giving us all an example of something.

 

[Krysia]

Just to note once again, these folks did "consult the Councilor", and apparently he gave them a mixed message about purchasing the house. But, nary a word (or nudge) about fixing the sellers marital problems. They also consulted with their pastor, who apparently had no such suggestion either (although, he would be the logical one to make any overtures towards the divorcing couple). No hostility here, brother, just a disagreement over methods.

Thank you for pointing this out

 

[Krysia]

Again, I can understand a non-believer not knowing what "pray and consider" means to a Christian, but you should be more careful in your demonstrations (interesting root word there) against how Christians practice their faith.
But I thank you in giving us all an example of something.

Do you enjoy avoiding other people's posts? Do you enjoy making assumptions regarding someone who was a Christian for 20 years and fully understands what "pray and consider" means to a Christian?

Do you understand that you keep conflicting your statements?

"I did not advise them to do anything except seek counsel from the Councilor"

""have you tried talking to the divorcing couple and and try to help them not divorce?"

Are you unable to comprehend the conflict in your statements?

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Just to note once again, these folks did "consult the Councilor", and apparently he gave them a mixed message about purchasing the house. But, nary a word (or nudge) about fixing the sellers marital problems. They also consulted with their pastor, who apparently had no such suggestion either (although, he would be the logical one to make any overtures towards the divorcing couple). No hostility here, brother, just a disagreement over methods.

I was unaware that prayer and consideration with the Councilor was a one time event. Nor was I aware that the Holy Spirit was limited to only working through 'certain Christians'. I wonder if God is aware of these things?
I suppose it is lost on some that Hooch ALSO posted here and people made suggestions.

I find it also funny that I had made a suggestion as I was moved to do, ended in a short prayer for Hooch and his family and it turned into a group of people getting huffy and telling people that they shouldn't tell people what to do.
I think there is a word for that and I find it very fitting that this happened in the Philosophy & Morality forum.

Thank you all for participating - perhaps I was moved to suggest, not so Hooch could do something, but so we could have this example of intolerance and hypocrisy.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Do you enjoy avoiding other people's posts? Do you enjoy making assumptions regarding someone who was a Christian for 20 years and fully understands what "pray and consider" means to a Christian?

Do you understand that you keep conflicting your statements?

"I did not advise them to do anything except seek counsel from the Councilor"

""have you tried talking to the divorcing couple and and try to help them not divorce?"

Are you unable to comprehend the conflict in your statements?

I would have NEVER guessed 20 years.

Perhaps you missed something in your... state of mind:

If the owners are divorcing and haven't finalized it, have you considered talking with them about this - try to see if you can help them from not divorcing? I don't know if that is what you are to do or if this is or is not something you should try, but I don't believe in coincidences and I am only asking if you have considered it.
Besides that, I wouldn't let desire over-ride faith. Pray, consider, act in faith. Whether you get a good deal or not, the rewards from being faithful and seeking God first is always the right choice.

The case is closed.

 

[Krysia]

but so we could have this example of intolerance and hypocrisy.

Brother, you said it.

 

[MoodyBlue]

I was unaware that prayer and consideration with the Councilor was a one time event. Nor was I aware that the Holy Spirit was limited to only working through 'certain Christians'. I wonder if God is aware of these things?
I suppose it is lost on some that Hooch ALSO posted here and people made suggestions.

I find it also funny that I had made a suggestion as I was moved to do, ended in a short prayer for Hooch and his family and it turned into a group of people getting huffy and telling people that they shouldn't tell people what to do.
I think there is a word for that and I find it very fitting that this happened in the Philosophy & Morality forum.

Thank you all for participating - perhaps I was moved to suggest, not so Hooch could do something, but so we could have this example of intolerance and hypocrisy.

Nevermind, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Krysia]

I would have NEVER guessed 20 years.

Aww what a cute little unnecessary provocation from the "Christian" (surprise). At least you're admitting that your interpretations or the things you see could be wrong. It's a step in the right direction

Perhaps you missed something in your... state of mind:

Ooh...so sweet. Please tell me the state of my mind.

If the owners are divorcing and haven't finalized it, have you considered talking with them about this - try to see if you can help them from not divorcing? I don't know if that is what you are to do or if this is or is not something you should try, but I don't believe in coincidences and I am only asking if you have considered it.
Besides that, I wouldn't let desire over-ride faith. Pray, consider, act in faith. Whether you get a good deal or not, the rewards from being faithful and seeking God first is always the right choice.

Notice that I did not instruct the poster to do something, only to consult the Councilor. It amazes me that such a simple mention of the One True God and His ways seems to incite such a knee-jerk reaction from some.

The case is closed.

You wouldn't make a very good lawyer.

You suggested or advised the poster to try talking with and helping the couple "to not divorce." Then you said you didn't suggest/advise the poster to do something.

Please make up your mind.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

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