Question on Noah's Ark

[miknik5]

Yes, of course, sweet sweet beautiful children ahhh how nice!
Ok, I surrender, I give up, you are right,....the story of Noah's Ark really did happen k?
Everything in the bible is true beyond doubt...Its God's word and we all must listen k?

You happy now

Yes. Very happy
Now you can come to the TRUTH that GOD is indeed sovereign!

Im actually happy for YOU!!

 

[miknik5]

Yes Mummy, I agree

Hooray!
Now I can sleep peacefully!


Good night JD16
Good night AV

 

[JD16]

Yes. Very happy
Now you can come to the TRUTH that GOD is indeed sovereign!

Im actually happy for YOU!!

Do I have a choice really? If I said no, you'll throw bible verses at me until I curl up and cry,...what choice do I have? I'm bullied into believing! lolzzzz

 

[JD16]

Hooray!
Now I can sleep peacefully!


Good night JD16
Good night AV

Nites mummy, sleep well,...now I go back to debating without my guardian angel mummy hounding me at every post lolzzz

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm nice! I consider ya my buddy, even tho we're polar opposite in opinion,....I enjoy our friendly bater back and forth, and no hard feeling whatsoever

Same here!

(And did you mean "banter"? )

 

[JD16]

Same here!

(And did you mean "banter"? )

No, I meant, I can't believe its not butter

 

[AV1611VET]

Good night AV

Good night, miknik!

God bless!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why?

Because that's just the reality of biology. For a technical explanation on how that physically works, ask a geneticist.

If their genes were PURE why would there be a need for genetic variation to ensure healthy offspring?

There is no such thing as "pure" genes that are somehow immune to inbreed problems.
It is the lack of genetic variation that is problematic.

 

[JD16]

Because that's just the reality of biology. For a technical explanation on how that physically works, ask a geneticist.



There is no such thing as "pure" genes that are somehow immune to inbreed problems.
It is the lack of genetic variation that is problematic.

No no no nonono,

Please for the love of FSM don't get her started on it again!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It IS a matter of genetic PURENESS

No, it is a matter of genetic variation - in this case, the lack thereof.

And in a population of 8, you have a maximum of 8 variations.

If in that time, man's gene pool was less compromised (more pure) than today, why would inbreeding have caused any defects

Your premise is false. There's no such thing as "compromised" or "pure" genes when considering healthy people. Let's assume the 8 survivors were the fittest of the fittest. It doesn't matter. There are only 8, which isn't enough to sustain a population.

This along with the probability that the environment was less conpromised, why would there even be defects?

Because inbreed.

Come to think about it, isn't it only in the account of Leah that we even begin to hear the first incident of some sort of "condition"?

It doesn't matter when we first "hear" about something.
What matters is the evidence.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

By the way, Noah lived how long?

If a child fully matures at the age of 13, and Noah's 3 sons had children and each of these children at the age of thirteen had children and so in and so forth

that's a lot of "children"

It's also much inbreed. Too much.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

UNcompromised DNA UNeffected DNA

Beautiful, perfect, spotless DNA
No disease and not diseased

We've found 1.7 million year old humanoid bones with traces of cancer.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So we can say that GOD preserved a people by ensuring that only those healthy traits be expressed

You can also just not say it, which would result in not having to invoke magic to explain the evidence of reality.

Not having a need to invoke magic, seems like a more rational position.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Because their DNA (gene pool) is not the purest!

You continue to repeat this. You think you are making some kind of home run poin there, but in reality all you are doing is exposing your ignorance on genetics.

The only thing you could possibly mean by "pure DNA" which actually makes sense in context of genetics, is something like "healthy dna". The DNA of one of the individuals that would come out on top in the fitness test.

You need to really understand something here, though....
This is about the lack of variation, not about the fitness of those individuals.

So let's assume that those 8 people had like, uber-DNA. The strongest and healthiest DNA of all humans, ever. The fittest of the fittest, if you will.

It makes no difference - there are still only 8 of them and the males are even all a father with his sons.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No no no nonono,

Please for the love of FSM don't get her started on it again!

Hey now, you had your fun, now it's my turn to bang my head against that wall!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"That would be my guess; ruin/restoration; except the bible leaves out the restoration part.."

I asked for the bible support for the ruin part. Actually the restoration also if you mean creation week.

Gap theory proposes ruin/restoration (Gen 1:2). So called creation week was actually restoration week. God's whole purpose is the restoration/restitution of things lost or damaged. The geologic record is proof of ruin/restoration over the ages.

 

[miknik5]

Because that's just the reality of biology. For a technical explanation on how that physically works, ask a geneticist.



There is no such thing as "pure" genes that are somehow immune to inbreed problems.
It is the lack of genetic variation that is problematic.

Really?
Do men dictate what genes will or will not be expressed?

Defects may or may not occur regardless of inbreeding or not

Jacob's offspring?

None of them presented any physical defect

 

[miknik5]

Hey now, you had your fun, now it's my turn to bang my head against that wall!

I don't appreciate your post spaghetti monster

And I don't appreciate JD's post either

 

[Armoured]

Really?
Do men dictate what genes will or will not be expressed?

Genetics does. It's not really that complicated.

There are plenty of genes that, if you have 1 copy of, are good for you, if you have 2 copies of, will kill you. You get 1 or two copies depending n what your parents had and a dose of chance. It's not an issue of "gene purity".

 

[miknik5]

No no no nonono,

Please for the love of FSM don't get her started on it again!

Your mum is not happy with you