Question on, Matt.27:52-52.

[Standing Up]

Rom 9:6-7
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Yes, each in their order. And if the lump be holy, so the remainder.

Mt. 27:52 is about the shadow of first fruits, not harvest. Some, not all.

 

[Sieben]

Yes, each in their order. And if the lump be holy, so the remainder.

Mt. 27:52 is about the shadow of first fruits, not harvest. Some, not all.

makes sense to me, cause most people are asleep.

 

[DeaconDean]

This has nothing to do with Ezekiel and the "valley of the dry bones." Ezekiel was speaking of the whole nation of Israel in that verse.

God bless

Zackely!

John Gill comments on Eze. 37:

This chapter contains a prophecy of the Jews' return from captivity to their own land; of the union of the each tribes with one another; and of the glorious kingdom of Christ among them. Their restoration is represented by a vision of dry bones made alive; the place in which they were; the condition they were in; and the manner in which they were made to live, are described, Eze 37:1[SIZE=+1], the explication and application of this vision to the Jews, Eze 37:11[SIZE=+1], their union is signified by a sign or emblem of two sticks, which became one in the hand of the prophet, Eze 37:15[SIZE=+1], the meaning of this is shown, Eze 37:18[SIZE=+1], then follow promises of their return to their own land, in express words; of their being one kingdom, under one King, Christ, the antitype of David, of their sanctification; of their covenant interest in God, made manifest to them; and of his presence, and dwelling among them,
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According to A Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge, by R.A. Torrey:

In this vision, the dry bones aptly represent the ruined and desperate state of both Israel and Judah; and the revivification of these bones signifies their restoration to their own land after their captivity, and also their recovery from their present long dispersion...In the land of their captivity, they seemed as absolutely deprived of their country as persons committed to the grave are cut off from the land of the living; but when Cyrus issued his proclamation, Jehovah, as it were, opened their graves, and when he stirred up their spirits to embrace the proffered liberty, he put his Spirit within them, that they might live; and their re-establishment in their own land evinced the truth of God in the prediction, and his power in its accomplishment.

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Matthew Henry comments:

the promises of their restoration and deliverance for the glory of God, which we have here in the latter part of the book, are as comfortable; and as those were illustrated with many visions and similitudes, for the awakening of a holy fear, so are these, for the encouraging of a humble faith. God had assured them, in the foregoing chapter, that he would gather the house of Israel, even all of it, and would bring them out of their captivity, and return them to their own land; but there were two things that rendered this very unlikely: - I. That they were so dispersed among their enemies, so destitute of all helps and advantages which might favour or further their return, and so dispirited likewise in their own minds; upon all these accounts they are here, in vision, compared to a valley full of the dry bones of dead men, which should be brought together and raised to life. The vision of this we have (Eze 37:1-10) and the explication of it, with its application to the present case (Eze 37:11-14). II. That they were so divided among themselves, too much of the old enmity between Judah and Ephriam remaining even in their captivity. But, as to this, by a sign of two sticks made one in the hand of the prophet is foreshown the happy coalition that should be, at their return, between the two nations of Israel and Judah (Eze 37:15-22). In this there was a type of the uniting of Jews and Gentiles, Jews and Samaritans, in Christ and his church. And so the prophet slides into a prediction of the kingdom of Christ, which should be set up in the world with God's tabernacle in it, and of the glories and graces of that kingdom (Eze 37:23-28).

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[spiritwarrior37]

Yepp, the Righteous were risen . i don't believe you sir . thank you for your opinion though .

Believe me or not. it matters not to me. But do you believe scripture? Here is the proof that this is the whole nation of Israel, right there in the middle of all those verses.

Ezekiel 37:11-- "11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts."

The bones represent the whole house of Israel living at the time of the restoration. The "graves" (v.12) are the nations where they dwell. The order is 1.bringing the people out (v.12); 2. bringing them in (v.12); 3. their conversion (v.13) and 4. their being filled with the spirit (v.14).

NOw if you will go back and look at Ezekiel 36:24-38 you will see that the Lord announced the restoration of Israel, and now here the Lord gives in a vision and in symbol how this will be accomplished.

Notice the bold and underlined words of this verse. Now, ask yourself a question. Did all of Israel rise with the Lord on that day? No!!!!!
As I said, I don't care if you believe me or not, but there it is as plain as day in this verse. I believe scripture.

God bless

 

[LaSpino3]

Comparing Matt.27:52, With Ez.37, the valley of dry bones is to attempt to compare two very different events as the same event. The only thing that is probable, these in Matthew 27, may have been the wave offering unto the Lord, the first of the first fruits of the harvest of the Jews, but not the church. Even the apostiles at this time in Matthew 27, had forsaken the Lord.

Those reported raised in Matthew are called saints. The ground idea for saints is, these where pure, clean, but it super-adds the idea of respect and veneration.
a. Pure, clean, as in ceremonially or morally clean, including the idea of deserving of respect, reverence, etc.
a-1. Perfect, without blemish, Rom.12:1, "Present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy."
a-2. Metaph. Morally pure, upright, blameless in heart and life, virtuous, holy. Genr. Mark 6:20. Rom.7:12.

Ezekiel valley of dry bones, the first part, speaks of the spiritually dead. Ezekiel was a priest, who was not allowed to touch, or be near anything dead, yet he stood in the midst of the dead. This valley was filled with death, with the unclean, all without the Holy Spirit.

I would say at this moment in time, Israel is in phase one of the prophesy of Ezekiel; now being gathered back to the land, with flesh put upon their bones. They are alive in the flesh as a nation, but are without the Holy Spirit, or salvation for the most part. There salvation, for the whole house will come after the 7 years of tribulation, after they call upon their Messiah.

This is another subject.

Phil LaSpino

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Rom 11:26a
And so all Israel shall be saved:

The verse says "some". Not all, at that time.

Only those who come to the faith that is Abraham and Jesus

Young) Genesis 22:17 that blessing I bless thee, and multiplying I multiply thy seed as stars of the heavens, and as sand which on the sea-shore; and thy seed doth possess the gate of his enemies;

Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the number of the sons of Israel as the sand of the sea, the Remnant shall be being saved'".
[Isaiah 10:22,23/Daniel 12/Reve 20:8]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Comparing Matt.27:52, With Ez.37, the valley of dry bones is to attempt to compare two very different events as the same event. This is another subject.

I would say at this moment in time, Israel is in phase one of the prophesy of Ezekiel;

Phil LaSpino

http://www.christianforums.com/t7515660/
What is the "Valley of Bones in Ezek 37 all about?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does anyone see the similarity of Ezekiel 37 and the 2 witnesses in Revelation and perhaps even the event of Lazarus being resurrected?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7461118/#post54553876
Lazarus and 2 witnesses of Reve 11 similarity

I like that event

Some say those 2 witnesses are a type of Moses and Elijah [which I agree with] and weren't they the Prophets of the OC Hebrew Israelites?


Ezekiel 37:3 Then said He unto me "Son of adamm can these bones live". And I said " my Lord Yahweh, thou knowest!
10 And I prophecy as He instructed and the spirit/breath is coming in them and they are living and are standing on their feet, an army/host, great, exceedingly-exceedingly.
[Luke 2:34/Reve 11:11]

Reve 11:11 And after the three days and half-equal, a spirit/breath of life out of God entered in them, and they stand on their feet and great, great falls on the ones beholding Them.
[Ezekiel 37:10/Luke 2:34]

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Believe me or not. it matters not to me. But do you believe scripture? Here is the proof that this is the whole nation of Israel, right there in the middle of all those verses.

Ezekiel 37:11-- "11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts."

The bones represent the whole house of Israel living at the time of the restoration. The "graves" (v.12) are the nations where they dwell. The order is 1.bringing the people out (v.12); 2. bringing them in (v.12); 3. their conversion (v.13) and 4. their being filled with the spirit (v.14).

NOw if you will go back and look at Ezekiel 36:24-38 you will see that the Lord announced the restoration of Israel, and now here the Lord gives in a vision and in symbol how this will be accomplished.

Notice the bold and underlined words of this verse. Now, ask yourself a question. Did all of Israel rise with the Lord on that day? No!!!!!
As I said, I don't care if you believe me or not, but there it is as plain as day in this verse. I believe scripture.

God bless

I can see by your resonance that you think on the second dimension of reality . seeing that we exist at least in the present in the third dimension i have nothing to respond to you . because it is not relevant to this current paradigm of existence .

i have read the passages in question . just don't share your opinion of it
.

The verse says "some". Not all, at that time.

Ah . but if all means all .. then soteriology would be so much simpler

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I can see by your resonance that you think on the second dimension of reality . seeing that we exist at least in the present in the third dimension i have nothing to respond to you . because it is not relevant to this current paradigm of existence .

i have read the passages in question . just don't share your opinion of it

Ah . but if all means all .. then soteriology would be so much simpler

You would think so

Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the number of the sons of Israel as the sand of the sea, the Remnant shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701)'".
[Isaiah 10:22,23/Daniel 12/Reve 20:8]

Romans 11:26 and thus All/paV <3956> Israel shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701).
According as it has been written 'shall be arriving out of Zion the one rescuing He shall be turning away irreverence from Jacob'.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3956 matches the Greek &#960;&#8118;&#962; (pas), which occurs 1245 times in 1075 verses in the Greek concordance

This particular form of the greek word #3956 used 99 times in the NT, including 8 times in the book of Revelation according to ISA Interlinear

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Young) Revelation 1:7 Behold! He doth come with the clouds and see Him shall every/paV <3956> eye, even those who did pierce Him, and wail because of Him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!
[Jeremiah 4:13/Matt 24:30/26:64]

 

[spiritwarrior37]

I can see by your resonance that you think on the second dimension of reality . seeing that we exist at least in the present in the third dimension i have nothing to respond to you . because it is not relevant to this current paradigm of existence .

i have read the passages in question . just don't share your opinion of it
.



Ah . but if all means all .. then soteriology would be so much simpler

Actually, I am looking more to the 4th dimension. Keep up.

God bless

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You would think so

Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the number of the sons of Israel as the sand of the sea, the Remnant shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701)'".
[Isaiah 10:22,23/Daniel 12/Reve 20:8]

Romans 11:26 and thus All/paV <3956> Israel shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701).
According as it has been written 'shall be arriving out of Zion the one rescuing He shall be turning away irreverence from Jacob'.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3956 matches the Greek &#960;&#8118;&#962; (pas), which occurs 1245 times in 1075 verses in the Greek concordance

This particular form of the greek word #3956 used 99 times in the NT, including 8 times in the book of Revelation according to ISA Interlinear

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Young) Revelation 1:7 Behold! He doth come with the clouds and see Him shall every/paV <3956> eye, even those who did pierce Him, and wail because of Him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!
[Jeremiah 4:13/Matt 24:30/26:64]

hmm not seeing the problem yet thanks for the scripture .

 

[Standing Up]

All means all, and when means a moment in time.

There's first fruit and then harvest. Two when events of some then all.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

All means all, and when means a moment in time.

There's first fruit and then harvest. Two when events of some then all.

Hmm yet all means all .

and i recall one passage where many meant all . relating that many had died in adam, yet all did, so perhaps picking at the words is not the intended usage .

 

[cubinity]

All often means that all types are represented, while not meaning that every single entity is being considered. Translating subtlties like that can be tricky, and often cause a multitude of debates.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

All often means that all types are represented, while not meaning that every single entity is being considered. Translating subtlties like that can be tricky, and often cause a multitude of debates.

but proportionally, if all of mankind is being spoken of then it should seem simplistic

 

[Standing Up]

but proportionally, if all of mankind is being spoken of then it should seem simplistic

When they crossed the Jordan, it was dammed up to Adam (city of).

 

[cubinity]

but proportionally, if all of mankind is being spoken of then it should seem simplistic

I've worked in a bank. People came in all the time and are told that it doesn't work the way they think it should. I would tell them how it worked, and they would insist that it should work some other way. What could I do? It just wasn't the way they thought it should be.

So, I totally understand that you think "it should seem simplistic," but what we are dealing with here is a language gap and a culture gap, only further distorted by the effects of history on our perception of their meaning. Sure, maybe in your mind "it should seem simplistic," but that doesn't mean it is, you know?

 

[DeaconDean]

Actually, I am looking more to the 4th dimension. Keep up.

God bless

It also helps if one does not suffer from tunnel vision.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[cubinity]

Wow... That's... big...