Question on Harris picture

[Always in His Presence]

I know there is a lot of conspiracy theories etc. But it is a valid question to ask this.

This is from ABC News - not some conspiracy site.

I left it large enough to zoom in. look ad the blue on the engine and the fuselage - how can you see the reflection of the buildings behind the crowd - but not the crowd?


Is there a logical explanation?

 

[Hammster]

I believe it’s real.

 

[AlexB23]

I know there is a lot of conspiracy theories etc. But it is a valid question to ask this.

This is from ABC News - not some conspiracy site.

I left it large enough to zoom in. look ad the blue on the engine and the fuselage - how can you see the reflection of the buildings behind the crowd - but not the crowd?


Is there a logical explanation?

The lighting is terrible, but I am not a scientist. Looking at the blue jet engine cowling (the technical term for the outside of an aircraft engine), it is hard to tell if the crowd is reflected on the engine cowling or not. Maybe, the crowd is inside the hangar, but the edges of the hangar are not shown in the photo? Also, that plane appears to be a Boeing 757. Yo, any aviation nerds here? I am a mild aviation nerd, cos planes are fascinating.

The image looks real, cos if you look at the smartphone screens, the blue skies and ground are depicted on the screens, just as the image itself contains a blue sky and an airport.

#BringChromePlatingBack (just kidding)

Vice President's plane manufacturer - For aviation/aircraft nerds:

Boeing C-32 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[iluvatar5150]

I know there is a lot of conspiracy theories etc. But it is a valid question to ask this.

This is from ABC News - not some conspiracy site.

I left it large enough to zoom in. look ad the blue on the engine and the fuselage - how can you see the reflection of the buildings behind the crowd - but not the crowd?


Is there a logical explanation?

Yes, there is a logical explanation.

The explanation is that the engine cowling is roughly conical in shape and angled away from the camera (i.e. the exhaust is angled farther back than the intake). What you see in the reflection is not what's between the engine and the camera, but mostly the ground immediately next to, but aft of the engine.

We already have a thread about this and I explained what's going on here:

Trump falsely claims Harris Michigan rally crowd ‘didn’t exist,’ was generated with AI

I meant using AI to generate images. The ones I created in a thread you were in like "Gorilla tea party" are the only ones I've done so far. Haha, I have used Dalle online for making art. But yes, I first used AI to make art in 2024.

www.christianforums.com

In that post, I show a video where you can see reflections of SUV's driving by the plane and the reflections transit the entire engine cowling before coming into view of the camera.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I know there is a lot of conspiracy theories etc. But it is a valid question to ask this.

This is from ABC News - not some conspiracy site.

I left it large enough to zoom in. look ad the blue on the engine and the fuselage - how can you see the reflection of the buildings behind the crowd - but not the crowd?


Is there a logical explanation?

Light reflects from surfaces like billiard balls bounce from cushions. Shoot straight at the cushion (normal) and the ball will come straight back at you. Shoot at an angle to the normal and it reflect the same angle to the normal but on the other side.

See that line down the middle (just under the windows in the front cabin)? That is the point where the normal to the plane is pointing straight toward the photographer. If you go to a point on the plane roughly half way between that line and the top of the plane (roughly the top of the letters in USA), the light that arrives in the camera reflects about 45 degrees relative to the surface of the plane (the normal) to get from the plane to the camera. It arrives from about 45 degrees above that angle, or straight up.

At the bottom is the same thing happens, roughly halfway from the horizontal to the bottom of the plane there is a point where the light that reaches the camera arrives from *below* the plane, reflects from 45 degrees relative to the skin of the plane and reflects 45 degrees to the other side of the normal (a total reflection of 90 degrees) and heads to the camera.

If you look at the front landing gear, there is a dark "blob" that emerges from the landing gear door. That is the shadow of the plane on the tarmac. You can also see in that area the lines on the tarmac. They look very large.

Where is the crowd? I think the crowd is in that thin line under the windows. (Objects reflected from plane are *much* closer than they appear. )

 

[iluvatar5150]

Where is the crowd? I think the crowd is in that thin line under the windows. (Objects reflected from plane are *much* closer than they appear. )

This is correct. Likewise, they're in the thin black line across the middle of the engine cowling.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I know there is a lot of conspiracy theories etc. But it is a valid question to ask this.

This is from ABC News - not some conspiracy site.

I left it large enough to zoom in. look ad the blue on the engine and the fuselage - how can you see the reflection of the buildings behind the crowd - but not the crowd?


Is there a logical explanation?

The fuselage is way higher than the crowd. You can’t see a reflection if its not at the same level. For example, if you held a mirror above your head you would see what is behind you. In this case buildings in the distance. Pretty basic....I guess.

 

[ozso]

There's no reflection because they're all vampires.

 

[AlexB23]

The fuselage is way higher than the crowd. You can’t see a reflection if its not at the same level. For example, if you held a mirror above your head you would see what is behind you. In this case buildings in the distance. Pretty basic....I guess.

Yeah, that is true. Funny story, I was staying at my parents friends house in June 2022, and after taking a shower, I was getting ready to go to bed, and the bathroom had mirrors on two sides, and one on the slanted wall above my head (cos the bathroom was in the completed attic), and I saw that my upper back had a lot of pimples. Made me realize that I need to clean my upper back more, cos I have never seen my whole back in my 20s before.

Alright, that is a little too much info. Probably cos I had a lot of stress back in the first half of 2022.

 

[wing2000]

It's not a valid question.

 

[Bradskii]

If you zoom in on the cockpit, just behind the pilots right shoulder, if you look carefully in the reflection of the window behind him, you can just make out Bigfoot.

 

[AlexB23]

If you zoom in on the cockpit, just behind the pilots right shoulder, if you look carefully in the reflection of the window behind him, you can just make out Bigfoot.

Haha. Good one, brother.

 

[wing2000]

"When a reporter asked him [Trump] Wednesday about why he made the claim given that it was proved false, Trump did not acknowledge that his claim had been untrue. "Well I can't say what was there, who was there," responded Trump in an exchange that was televised by Fox News. "I can tell you about ours — we have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics."

Trump refuses to acknowledge the truth. It's sad that we have come to ignore Trump's continued insistence on deliberately pushing a reality that is not based on facts.

Is there any doubt what he will do once the election results start coming in?

It's a problem for citizens of a democracy to have a blurred understanding of what is real and what is staged, said University of California, Los Angeles law professor Rick Hasen during a panel discussion hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation on Monday.

"If voters tend to disbelieve anything they see and think that whatever they see might be faked, then they're going to distrust their own instincts as to what the truth is to be able to make competent decisions," Hasen said.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/14/nx-s1-5072687/trump-harris-walz-election-rally-ai-fakes

 

[Ana the Ist]

I know there is a lot of conspiracy theories etc. But it is a valid question to ask this.

This is from ABC News - not some conspiracy site.

I left it large enough to zoom in. look ad the blue on the engine and the fuselage - how can you see the reflection of the buildings behind the crowd - but not the crowd?


Is there a logical explanation?

Yes.

Digitally altered.

Apparently there's been some astroturfing with Harris.

Definition of ASTROTURFING

organized activity that is intended to create a false impression of a widespread, spontaneously arising, grassroots movement in support of or in opposition to something (such as a political policy) but that is in reality initiated and controlled by a concealed group or… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Her campaign or a DNC Pac or some support apparatus for Harris has also been changing news headlines in Google ads to things far more favorable than the actual news articles and headlines. It's apparently not illegal...but most of the media outlets were calling it out.

This is a full blown propaganda campaign bud. This is what it looks like. I honestly don't know what the strategy is....because generating fake support when she doesn't have real support just leaves voters less inclined to turn out for her. If you're lukewarm towards her...and you think it's going to be a landslide win....you don't show up to vote on election day.

However, maybe this has something to do with everyone's social security numbers and info being stolen. Maybe it's just a coincidence that the White House just decided to stop protecting Hunter and it looks like he was a bag man for his pops....like we all should have known anyway.

Have you seen the Hunter case?

It's a big bright show....to distract you from the lies they've been telling you for the past 4 years. This is modern propaganda.

 

[Ana the Ist]

To be clear....

You're talking about the building in the middle of that blue section of the engine....and it extends all the way through the metallic chrome back half?

You can see the reflection of the wing on the engine....and the ground beneath the reflection of the wing....

But the crowd that's supposedly underneath the wing is somehow missing.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Look at the crowd...

Notice the guy facing the camera. The bald man behind him to the left seems appropriately sized. Then a guy to the left of baldy wearing a navy blue shirt (who is further away) looks to be about 7 feet tall. Another man behind him with curly hair is even larger.

The crowd itself looks fake.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Look at these two giants next to the Kamala sign.

Big Red on the left must be about 8-9 feet tall. White shirt on the right is also enormous.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I can only explain this as a digitally altered photo. ABC may not even know about it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I can only explain this as a digitally altered photo. ABC may not even know about it.

Dude, what internet rabbit hole have you fallen down?

Skip to 29:00 and watch where the reflections of the SUV's cross on the engine cowling. Then tell me where the crowd reflection should be.

The crowd isn't right next to the plane. They're at least 50 yards away. NYT has a diagram of the site:

Despite Trump’s Claims, Footage Shows Large Crowd at Harris’s Detroit Rally

Three New York Times reporters who attended the rally confirmed that the crowd numbered in the thousands.

www.nytimes.com

For reference, the wingspan of a 757 is 125'.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Dude, what internet rabbit hole have you fallen down?

Skip to 29:00 and watch where the reflections of the SUV's cross on the engine cowling. Then tell me where the crowd reflection should be.

I'm not saying that the entire video is fake.

I'm just saying it looks altered.