Question for you

[Athanasias]

Do progressive Adventist take a softer stance or are more friendly and ecumenical with the Catholic Church then traditional adventist? Thanks.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Do progressive Adventist take a softer stance or are more friendly and ecumenical with the Catholic Church then traditional adventist? Thanks.

Athanasias:

I am just a SDA neither traditional or progressive but only through faith. It appears that SDA are not friendly to Catholic which is totally wrong. Millions of Catholic are living up to all they know and understand. YAHWEH looks on the heart man looks at religion. Even Cardnals and some priest are also included with those who are striving to live righteous and holy to ELOHIM. Here is the problem most are taught as many SDA have become the same way. Most Christians of all religious body accept what they were brought up or what they were taught that sounds good, others cling to their ministers every word or their leaders. They buy books and other reading resources, but most do not understand the basic teachings of the Bible. If they did they would find compelling conflicts with it and their doctrines and traditions. This also include the SDA's of today they have stop studying and they just acept what is presented to them. Catholic's believe in priest while SDA has taken EGW and made her a prophet not a prophetess but a prophet. Both are wrong because the Bible does not teach this at all. It is not the people but the leaders who have provided doctrines that are not found in the Bible. Being a Christian is one, calling the Three ELOHIM god is unholy and irreverence is another. The Bible teaches that holy and reverent is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit names. The Bible also teaches that we should not take the names of Satan that he has given to the pagan nations-god, lord, jesus, christ. The Bible call Satan what he is the mighty one. ELOHIM means the ALL MIGHTY ONES. The word god does not provide this if you trace the word back to it original beginnings. These two are just a few of the many things that has cause the problem. Sadlly the Catholic doctrines is the ring leader, but you cannot or should not blame this on the laity or people in the Catholic Church or any church.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Athanasias]

Athanasias:

I am just a SDA neither traditional or progressive but only through faith. It appears that SDA are not friendly to Catholic which is totally wrong. Millions of Catholic are living up to all they know and understand. YAHWEH looks on the heart man looks at religion. Even Cardnals and some priest are also included with those who are striving to live righteous and holy to ELOHIM. Here is the problem most are taught as many SDA have become the same way. Most Christians of all religious body accept what they were brought up or what they were taught that sounds good, others cling to their ministers every word or their leaders. They buy books and other reading resources, but most do not understand the basic teachings of the Bible. If they did they would find compelling conflicts with it and their doctrines and traditions. This also include the SDA's of today they have stop studying and they just acept what is presented to them. Catholic's believe in priest while SDA has taken EGW and made her a prophet not a prophetess but a prophet. Both are wrong because the Bible does not teach this at all. It is not the people but the leaders who have provided doctrines that are not found in the Bible. Being a Christian is one, calling the Three ELOHIM god is unholy and irreverence is another. The Bible teaches that holy and reverent is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit names. The Bible also teaches that we should not take the names of Satan that he has given to the pagan nations-god, lord, jesus, christ. The Bible call Satan what he is the mighty one. ELOHIM means the ALL MIGHTY ONES. The word god does not provide this if you trace the word back to it original beginnings. These two are just a few of the many things that has cause the problem. Sadlly the Catholic doctrines is the ring leader, but you cannot or should not blame this on the laity or people in the Catholic Church or any church.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Thank you so much for your explanation. I appreciate your charity and love for me and our common Lord. I ask this question because I have not met alot of adventist in fact I have only talked to about 3. The first 2 seem to be against ecumenical relations with the Catholic Church because they viewed Christ Catholic Church as diabolical which I obviously dissagreed with. They were very nice people though. The third person I talked to was a Adventist pastor who seemed to be very ecumenical and may even have considered the Catholic Church herself a Christian Church. So I just wandered if perhaps he may have been a liberal pastor or if there were liberal congregations of SDA's so perhaps I can begin a ministry of ecumenical talks with them. Thank you for your time and May the Lord Bless and Keep you.

In Jesus through Mary,
Athanasias

 

[stinsonmarri]

Thank you so much for your explanation. I appreciate your charity and love for me and our common Lord. I ask this question because I have not met alot of adventist in fact I have only talked to about 3. The first 2 seem to be against ecumenical relations with the Catholic Church because they viewed Christ Catholic Church as diabolical which I obviously dissagreed with. They were very nice people though. The third person I talked to was a Adventist pastor who seemed to be very ecumenical and may even have considered the Catholic Church herself a Christian Church. So I just wandered if perhaps he may have been a liberal pastor or if there were liberal congregations of SDA's so perhaps I can begin a ministry of ecumenical talks with them. Thank you for your time and May the Lord Bless and Keep you.

In Jesus through Mary,
Athanasias

Athanasias:
I am glad that you appreciate my comment because it is from the heart. The Bible says that we are not judged anyone spiritual because we do not know their heart. Many have come on this forum judgmental and cruel which is not right. As we discuss I difference in belief we should with humbleness and prayer. The Bible should be our rule of faith and tear a person down because he/she does not agree with them. I must admit I have become angry with others but I recant and apologize.

Now I do not agree with the message of the Catholic Church but not with you. You probably do not understand the SDA message as well. I am very knowledgeable about Catholicism but perhaps you are or are not on the SDA truth. Now let me say I do not go along with all the SDA presents today but with the original message that was giving to our pioneers. One important message they gave was to really study the Bible.

Most think that to study Bible is to try to read it from Gen to Rev. You cannot do this because it comprises of 66 Books. I know your Bible have others that Protestants do not accept. However, my point is the Bible deals with history, subjects, prophecies of the past and future. It was all written in Hebrew and part in Aramaic. It was later translated into Koine Greek called the Septuagint. The Septuagint became tainted due unadvised new translated after the death of the apostles. It was used by Paul to reach the Greeks and Latin and the letters of Paul were translated into Greek also. Also prophetic inspiration is provided by symbols and clues. You cannot and should not interpret the Bible which most has done starting with the KJV up until now. However if you want to know the truth the original Vulgate written by Jerome known as the Hebraic Bible was the best written since the ones found by the Dead Sea Scroll. Jerome was a Catholic and a spiritual man who want the true word of Elohim to be translated and understood. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church refused to use his Hebraic Bible. The Vulgate as we know it today is not the one done by Jerome. He did not complete a translation of the New Testament. The Vulgate used today was created by assembling books from a variety of sources, including Jerome.

My simple advice is to take a subject and truly research it out. As a Biblical Historian I say to all "if you don't know and understand ancient history, you will never understand the Bible" Next learn words and what they mean. You must trace the word to its original Hebrew origin and meaning. This is what the word truly means and not what was provided or interpreted based on the religious belief of the writer. I leave these two Scriptures with you.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy ELOHIM, I will also forget thy children. Hosea 4:6

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mat 15:8, 9

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[Athanasias]

Thank you and God bless you Stinsonmarri for that lovely explanation and for sharing your knowledge and expertise. I appreciate your openness and love for the Lord Jesus and his truth and his sacred written word. I ,like you, and Christ Catholic Church loves the written sacred scriptures too as they are Gods word to us. I can really appreciate your knowledge of the canon of scripture and the Fathers of the early Church like St. Jerome too(Jerome was my favorite early Scripture scholar Origen being my second).

I agree with you that one must have knowledge of history. I myself studied early and medievil Church history at the undergraduate and graduate levels as I am a Pastoral theologian for the Catholic Church with a specialty in Church doctrine. I had the blessing of studying the canon, the Fathers, and the early church councils and early heresy's which do reveal so much good truth and relevency to todays theological confusions. There are some good historical truths that both Catholic and protestant Church historians have given us in thier studies and I am blessed to have books by several. I think starting with history is a very powerful evidence for christianity and maybe we can start there in our discussion.

I understand a little of the SDA Church's doctrine as one of the 3 wonderful SDA Christian people I came in contact with a few years ago used to wright me letters. We were pen pals. I feel that we have more in common then we may think when it comes to many doctrines of the Christian faith but we do have our differences in interpretation too. Of course I probably am still ignorant of many things about your Churches doctrine that I am not even aware of so I guess you will have to enlighten me as we go.

One thing I am glad about is that you have a good knowledge of the Catholic faith as you say. It makes discussions alot easier as I have found that many non catholics I talk to do not understand the Catholic doctrines or why we teach as we do.

I myself have no problem using most versions of the sacred scripture catholic or protestant. I have a protestant king james interlinear that also contains a literal trandslation of the greek and Hebrew too. I also have Catholic and protestant commentaries on scripture. But my favorite translation that I use and many Catholics and even some protestant scripture scholars use is the RSV revised standard version, I used the Catholic edition. I use both 1st and second editions as they are a revised version of the KJV but still maintain a close to literal translation . My favorite protestant bible is the New ESV which is extrmely close to the RSV. I am not big on dynamic equivalancy translations such as the NIV or NAB.

Anyway thank you and God bless you.

In Jesus through Mary,
Athanasias

 

[stinsonmarri]

Athanasias:​

Once again thank you for your kind comments. I am a Biblical Historian with just a BS and I have studied the Bible and Commentaries since I was twelve. What I find in religions that we become hung up on are mainly doctrines and traditions instead of true understanding what the Bible exactly says. I hope that you will understand why I keep and honor the Seventh Day of the week instead of Sunday. Did you know that the word catholic means universal? Well that is why I keep the Sabbath because it is universal. Gen 2:1-2 states that Elohim had first completed the Heavens which is the universe. Hebrew 1:1, 2 states clearly that YASHUA, YAHWEH ELOHIM'S Son is the One who created other worlds in the universe. Returning back to Genesis 2:1-3 that states lastly about the earth and the ELOHIM rested from all of HIS work. Now the word rested is really the wrong word it should be celebrate because the Three ELOHIM never get tire or need physical rest. You see the reason why we should understand that THEY are three individual Beings is so you will understand that YASHUA does the will of HIS Father. Matt 7:21, John 1:1-3, 14; 17:1-6; 1John 5:7 ELOHIM is plural for a reason that three Supreme Beings are not personalities but separate Supreme Beings that are equal, however the Father is the Designer, HIS Son is the WORD from the Father who speaks and the HOLY SPIRIT is the Being that brings things into existence. That's what the word one means in Hebrew unity and that is why the institution of marriage was created. It was to show by two separate human beings (male and female), should unite together as one like the ALMIGHTY ONES.​

In honor of the YAHWEH ELOHIM'S design the Son and the HOLY SPIRIT along with the angels stop from obey the Father's order to create HE is worship for HIS designing powers. The Sabbath is a day of celebration and worship of the ALMIGHTY YAHWEH this day is Holy which means it is set-apart and is not like any of the six days from Sunday thru Friday. That's why it will be kept when we get to Heaven not Sunday. I want you to read this Scripture and pray about it carefully not because you are a Catholic and I am a SDA but because the Bible states it and we should obey.​

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHWEH. Isa 66:23​

I hope you comment back and let me know what do you think​

Happy Sabbath and be bless,
stinsonmarri​