Question for partial Preterists

[LittleLambofJesus]

I would like to ask the partial Preterists [not full Preterists] here how much of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation they see as fulfilled. Thanks


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[James-49]

I would like to ask the partial Preterists [not full Preterists] here how much of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation they see as fulfilled. Thanks
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Hi, LittleLambofJesus,

I really don't know what I'd be classed as, but figured I have an answer applicable to your question. As I see it, the following verses state what we can expect next, the previous already being fulfilled:

Mat 24:29
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

Rev 6:12
"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood"

 

[ebedmelech]

I'm Amil...but close to partial preterism.

I hold that Matthew 24:15-51 us fullfilled and we are currently in Matthew 25
awaiting the Bridegroom as well as investing our talents awaiting the Master to return.

When it comes to Revelation, we are in the thousand year reign engaged in spiritual warfare, Satan will be loosed in the future, and Christ will return.

 

[Interplanner]

NT eschatology is either near-future Israel or distant-future whole-world. When Mt 24 was uttered, the whole world events after v29 were expected 'right after' the DofJ. But it was also allowed to be delayed.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi, LittleLambofJesus,

I really don't know what I'd be classed as, but figured I have an answer applicable to your question.

As I see it, the following verses state what we can expect next, the previous already being fulfilled:

Mat 24:29
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

Rev 6:12
"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood"

Thank you.
So you view Matt 24:1 thru 24:28 as fulfilled.

How long have you been a Preterist?


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[random person]

I would like to ask the partial Preterists [not full Preterists] here how much of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation they see as fulfilled. Thanks


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All of the Olivet Discourse has happened & almost all of Revelation has occurred.

Revelation 20:7-22:6 are the only futurist portions of Revelation IMO.

Satan is going to be unbound either due to a weak apostate representation of the church or there will be a crisis against the faith on a global scale or both.

IMO, Revelation 20:7-10 & 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 are speaking of the same event.

That delusion could be the Rapture heresy.

That delusion could be Christian Zionism in its support of colonialism and an apostate state of Israel.

The delusion could be multiple things such as gay marriages, gay clergy, etc, etc. The salt is losing its savour and preserving power these days.

The lines of distinction between the kingdom church and the kingdom of darkness is growing increasingly blurred.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

All of the Olivet Discourse has happened & almost all of Revelation has occurred.

Revelation 20:7-22:6 are the only futurist portions of Revelation IMO..............

The lines of distinction between the kingdom church and the kingdom of darkness is growing increasingly blurred.

Interesting. Thanks for posting that.



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[random person]

Interesting. Thanks for posting that.



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My pleasure!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

NT eschatology is either near-future Israel or distant-future whole-world.
When Mt 24 was uttered, the whole world events after v29 were expected 'right after' the DofJ.
But it was also allowed to be delayed.

So your view is that the verses before v29 are fulfilled?


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[James-49]

Thank you.
So you view Matt 24:1 thru 24:28 as fulfilled.

How long have you been a Preterist?

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Are you being sarcastic?

I said I didn't know what I'd be classed as - but I do know what preterism is and I think any sort of "ism" or "ist" label is foolishness.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Thank you.
So you view Matt 24:1 thru 24:28 as fulfilled.

How long have you been a Preterist?

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Are you being sarcastic?

I said I didn't know what I'd be classed as - but I do know what preterism is and I think any sort of "ism" or "ist" label is foolishness.

The fact that you chimed in on a Partial Preterist thread made me assume you were one. My apologies.

Guess we need a definition on what a partial Preterist is tho that appears to be a rather daunting task.

Preterism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Partial preterism

Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70[30] or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.[31][32]
Some partial preterists identify " Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17–18) with the pagan Roman Empire, though some, such as N.T. Wright and David Chilton, identify it with the city of Jerusalem.[30][33] Most interpretations identify Nero as the Beast,[34][35][36][37][38][39][40][a] while his mark is often interpreted as the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire: the stamp on the hand or in the mind of all, without which no one could buy or sell.[41]
However, others believe the Book of Revelation was written after Nero committed suicide in AD 68, and identify the Beast with another emperor. The Catholic Encyclopedia has noted that Revelation was "written during the latter part of the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian, probably in AD 95 or 96".[42] Many Protestant scholars agree.[43][44] The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.[45]



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[James-49]

The fact that you chimed in on a Partial Preterist thread made me assume you were one. My apologies.

Guess we need a definition on what a partial Preterist is tho that appears to be a rather daunting task.

Preterism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Partial preterism

Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70[30] or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.[31][32]
Some partial preterists identify " Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17–18) with the pagan Roman Empire, though some, such as N.T. Wright and David Chilton, identify it with the city of Jerusalem.[30][33] Most interpretations identify Nero as the Beast,[34][35][36][37][38][39][40][a] while his mark is often interpreted as the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire: the stamp on the hand or in the mind of all, without which no one could buy or sell.[41]
However, others believe the Book of Revelation was written after Nero committed suicide in AD 68, and identify the Beast with another emperor. The Catholic Encyclopedia has noted that Revelation was "written during the latter part of the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian, probably in AD 95 or 96".[42] Many Protestant scholars agree.[43][44] The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.[45]

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I suppose if only partial preterists, by definition, answered your OP all the answers would be the same.

That's likely one of the reasons I offered my thoughts - bit of diversity.

No apology needed - I see you were not being sarcastic.