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Anderlecht

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quantumspirit said:
Do you have fears of the hard-right Bush administration, of how this would affect your country? Less security and privacy,
Security fears? Well, we were actually delighted that the mighty US Congress actually passed a resolution (a real one!) that authorized the specific invasion of the Netherlands, of all places :D . We are still enjoying and savouring this unique "favour" we got from Bush & Co in 2002.
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that Bush and his hacks would find a way to seek economic leverage over your country?
As long as you guys keep using Philips CDs and ladyshaves, fill-up your SUVs at Shell stations, drink Lipton, and rub your lips with Q-tips (among other things), I think we will be fine (economically speaking)
quantumspirit said:
I know that the EU constitution was defeated, but were there a lot of negative ads against it?
The ruling coalition + main opposition party (more or less our version of the Republicans AND the Democrats) both campaigned for the acceptance of constitution. Relatively 'smaller' opposition parties + active individuals campaigned against it, and won!

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Does our corporate elite have as much control over your media as it does ours?
Not as much, we have two notable advantages: we have two things you guys never ever see unless you get out of the States:

1. Direct access to multiples of Non-corporate media (not only BBC)

2. Direct access to multiples of foreign (news)media, including the 'other' side's like Al Jazeera... etc (not just CNN, NBC...)

Having said that, there are lots of rumors of mergers and takeovers of media corporations, so we might end up with the same guys in the end.
 
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Ubleed said:
I would prefer Sweden being a state in USA than a part Of EU. I have never been to USA but I have loved It from childhood. I would love to visit some day=)
you must be kidding me? Do you know the stuff the US has going on around the world? Do you know the class division they have? The problems they face but we don't?
 
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quantumspirit said:
Do you have fears of the hard-right Bush administration, of how this would affect your country? Less security and privacy, that Bush and his hacks would find a way to seek economic leverage over your country?

leave the dirty work to the ones in charge to worry about it. :) Seriously, which country's leader wouldn't do something to help his own? if he doesn't, then his people would say he's incompetent. It's hard being the leader of a nation.

Despite that little bit of opinion, I disagree with a lot of things that Bush does, especially on the war and environmental issues. As for Australia, the Prime Minister just chooses to stick with the US. oh, he has his reasons... and not all of them are good, like the IR reform for example. Australia is half of the world from the US, ok, but I can't really blame Bush, it's all John Howard's fault.
 
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faith guardian said:
you must be kidding me? Do you know the stuff the US has going on around the world? Do you know the class division they have? The problems they face but we don't?

yeah we have some issues, name one country that does not. but in the end i would much rather live here than in your country.
 
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Blessed-one said:
leave the dirty work to the ones in charge to worry about it. :) Seriously, which country's leader wouldn't do something to help his own? if he doesn't, then his people would say he's incompetent. It's hard being the leader of a nation.

Despite that little bit of opinion, I disagree with a lot of things that Bush does, especially on the war and environmental issues. As for Australia, the Prime Minister just chooses to stick with the US. oh, he has his reasons... and not all of them are good, like the IR reform for example. Australia is half of the world from the US, ok, but I can't really blame Bush, it's all John Howard's fault.

do you mean (gasp) that the usa is not the root of all wrong in the world?
 
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coyoteBR said:
2. "War on Terror". Now, according to international agreements, USofA soldiers were forbidden to make exercices on several South American countries, including Brazil and Argentina. This is so true that the exchange of experince between Brazilian and USA armies used to happen only inside ships, far away from the coast.
Now, with the rumours Bin Laden may have used the Thrice frontier area (Brazil/Paraguay/Argentina) to his business, Bush decided to buldoze the Law and, in exchange of serious money, build a Guantanamo-like basis in Paraguay, near our frontier. Overnight, Brazil won a Frontier with USA. With heavy weaponary.

^_^ Guantanomo-like base in the Tir-border area? At any given time there are about a dozen U.S. military personnel in Paraguay, all stationed here in the Asuncion Embassy. The rumor about a US military base in the Chaco is years old, and about as accurate as the one about Francisco Lopez´s buried gold.

The only heavy weaponry in that region is owned by drug traffickers, arms traders, and groups like Patria Libre who espouse leftist doctrine but are little more than armed thugs.

:)
 
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faith guardian said:

I imagine for the same reasons most people in developed countries would have for staying home: Familiarity, ingrained patriotism, acceptably high living standard, disinclination to learn a new language, and so forth. :)
 
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applepowerpc said:
I am interested in the Congressional resolution authorizing the invasion of the Netherlands. Is there any more information available on that? thanks!

edit: holy cow, there it is. This is insane.
http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/08/aspa080302.htm
"Anything is possible with Commander Cuckoo-bananas in charge" ~ Homer Simpson
 
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applepowerpc said:
I am interested in the Congressional resolution authorizing the invasion of the Netherlands. Is there any more information available on that? thanks!

edit: holy cow, there it is. This is insane.
http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/08/aspa080302.htm


I thought you were joking.

You weren't.

And then I thought aout it and I wasn't surprised at all. :sigh:

I can almost envisage the conversation.

U.S: Iran has nukes. We're going to nuke them.

France: You can't just nuke a country.

U.S: Shut up. We'll nuke you too France!

Denmark: Why would you attack France?

U.S You too Denmark! I'll nuke you! I'll nuke all of you! Hand over your lunch money!
 
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exminister said:
Some people when they talk about bush talk as if he is Omnipotent it is nearly as bad as believing in an omnipotent God.

Omnipotent? Certainly not. He is in a very powerful position however, moving increasingly to remove the checks and balances of his office.

That said, I think Bush is merely a front man and his handlers are pullign the strings. If not for his connections, I doubt he'd be middle management, let alone president.
 
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quantumspirit said:
Do you have fears of the hard-right Bush administration, of how this would affect your country? Less security and privacy, that Bush and his hacks would find a way to seek economic leverage over your country?

Every country should be prepared for any eventuality, no matter whether it is a hardliner or a liberal ruling the USA. If my country gets fooled by Bush's policies, then my country deserved it, since, hey, how can you let Bush fool you?

The Americans should be more worried about what Bush might do to them than the other countries, since these countries already have their own internal worries to think about who they feel should be the President of America.
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exminister said:
Some people when they talk about bush talk as if he is Omnipotent it is nearly as bad as believing in an omnipotent God.
Hm. That statement seems - to me - confusing. Bewildering even. How is it worse to believe in a God?
Bush seems to be approached by many as a 'hero'- Or a demigod even. Is it not worse to approach a human being like that than a deity, or as far as you are concerned, a moral code or ideal?
 
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quantumspirit said:
Do you have fears of the hard-right Bush administration, of how this would affect your country? Less security and privacy, that Bush and his hacks would find a way to seek economic leverage over your country?

Yes. As I live in the Netherlands, the government unfortunately chose to ignore the general opinion that we, as a country, should not support the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq. I have no idea why, because popular opinion was against it, with Germany and France standing up to the US and taking the UN security councel with them (basically), and with the economy collapsing, it would be fairly safe to have sent over a pollite 'thanks, but no thanks.' Holland hasn't been big on the international stage since the 17th century, and it's way too small for that, so why even bother?

Has it already affected affairs where you live?

Well, not in everyday life, but since Bush's support rate is about 15% over here (and that was before the 2004 elections), you can imagine the debate it sparks. You should hear the jokes my university professors make.
I think it signals something deeper, though, and I notice that politics are polarising over here as well - though less on a religious discours.

I know that the EU constitution was defeated, but were there a lot of negative ads against it?

No, but that was just about exactly the problem. First, the government decided to hold an election about a topic that was far too complicated to be understood by reading the flyers they distributed. Second, the administration decided to hold these elections at a time when less than half of the population supported their policies. Third, they went on a campaign that was so vehemently pro-constitution that the only way to outdo it would be to install a dictatorship. Fourth, they refused to grant the 'no'-camp more subsidies, meaning that their budget was about a hundred times smaller.
So in short, people were asked to vote yes on something they didn't understand by people they didn't like after a blatantly biased and impossibly one-sided campaign. No wonder everyone voted against it.
So did I, because I think The Netherlands should stand up for itself more and the constitution didn't grant proportional rights up to what I considered a reasonable degree. I also thought the constitution was weak on animal rights. I liked the legal aspect, but I didn't want to see my country's reputation as the underdog forever cemented by some obscure, illegible treaty.

Pfwew. Rant over. :)

Does our corporate elite have as much control over your media as it does ours

The major media company over here is Endemol, which is run mostly by John de Mol, who is impossibly rich. Unlike, say, Rupert Murdoch, he doesn't bother with politics (though I imagine that he has sufficient tax incentives to vote fairly right-wing). In fact, all he does is make shows that are insulting because of their vulgarity and stupidity (he is, after all, the guy who gave the world 'Big Brother') and not their political bias. Pretty much the same goes for every other commercial channel. The State-owned channels are neutral in that they give every political party some time to air commercials. There are some christian, catholic, socialist or muslim channels (a relic from the 1950's), but they, too, get equal airtime.

Hope that answers your questions.;)
 
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