Question for Fundamentalist Baptists

[Gwenyfur]

Thats not true. The pill my wife takes prevents ovulation

I'm really not trying to argue here, but do the research. They don't call it a fertilized egg, it's referred to as Protoplasmic cluster at the point the female would reach her menses and shed the monthly lining of the uterus. The hormonal estrogen-progesterone based birth control pills *all* keep this protoplasmic cluster, otherwise considered a fertilized egg, from implanting.

You can validate this research with your gynecologist, pharmacist,doctor, or any pro life center

Good Luck

 

[TwinCrier]

I'm really not trying to argue here, but do the research. They don't call it a fertilized egg, it's referred to as Protoplasmic cluster at the point the female would reach her menses and shed the monthly lining of the uterus. The hormonal estrogen-progesterone based birth control pills *all* keep this protoplasmic cluster, otherwise considered a fertilized egg, from implanting.

You can validate this research with your gynecologist, pharmacist,doctor, or any pro life center

Good Luck

A fertilized egg conception. Life begins at conception, in fact the word conceetion means beginning. I know our society puts less value on life in the earliest stages, but it's still wrong to terminate a newly conceived human, rather by the pill, IUD or traditional surgical abortion. I think many Christians will be shocked to see in heaven the children that were meant to be but that they unknowingly (?) distroyed.

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

I had a friend whose doctor told her she could have an IUD put in and it would be good for ten years. She once got pregnant anyway (only a year after having the IUD in place) and had an abortion. The second time was three years after it was put in and she experienced an extopic pregnancy and almost bled to death. IUD's also cause uterine perforation.

 

[theseed]

Any birth control method that destroys the zygote is wrong and immoral.

 

[greenhornet569]

I'm really not trying to argue here, but do the research. They don't call it a fertilized egg, it's referred to as Protoplasmic cluster at the point the female would reach her menses and shed the monthly lining of the uterus. The hormonal estrogen-progesterone based birth control pills *all* keep this protoplasmic cluster, otherwise considered a fertilized egg, from implanting.

You can validate this research with your gynecologist, pharmacist,doctor, or any pro life center

Good Luck

You say huh...do some research, there are pills that only increase the mucus of the cervix to prevent sperm from reaching the uterus. Now I did ask my doctor very specifically and I know he knew what I meant when I asked him becasue he goes to my church. The pill my wife takes stops ovulation. Who are you to tell me what pill my wife takes and what it does...

 

[TwinCrier]

You say huh...do some research, there are pills that only increase the mucus of the cervix to prevent sperm from reaching the uterus. Now I did ask my doctor very specifically and I know he knew what I meant when I asked him becasue he goes to my church. The pill my wife takes stops ovulation. Who are you to tell me what pill my wife takes and what it does...

There is no reason to get mad at Gwenyfur. Don't kill the messenger. All birth control pills effect the uterus in order to keep the fertilized egg from implanting resulting in miscarriage. If this feels wrong to you you should do some research.

I painfully agree that birth control pills do in fact cause abortions. Our individual and collective Christian response to this heretofore varnished-over information will have profound consequences for time and eternity. This is a disturbing must-read for all who profess to be prolife."
Beverly A. McMillan, M.D., Ob/Gyn
http://www.jesus-passion.com/bcpill1.html

 

[Gwenyfur]

You say huh...do some research, there are pills that only increase the mucus of the cervix to prevent sperm from reaching the uterus. Now I did ask my doctor very specifically and I know he knew what I meant when I asked him becasue he goes to my church. The pill my wife takes stops ovulation. Who are you to tell me what pill my wife takes and what it does...

I apologize if I angered you. It was not my intent.

I will bow out of this conversation in an effort to avoid strife.

God Bless you and yours.

 

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I had a friend whose doctor told her she could have an IUD put in and it would be good for ten years. She once got pregnant anyway (only a year after having the IUD in place) and had an abortion. The second time was three years after it was put in and she experienced an extopic pregnancy and almost bled to death. IUD's also cause uterine perforation.

Is this IUD, the same as "the clamp"? I'm not familiar with the term IUD.

 

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I posted this question in the BC thread, but the thread was so old, nobody has really gone there. This thread is traveling along the same lines of discussion, so here it was:


I wanted to present a question here. My wife, due to tendancy to clot, doesn't use the pill anymore. After the birth of our second child, she is using a "clamp". Not sure how it works, but that is what it is called. She goes in to the doctor Thursday and is thinking of having it removed. I asked if it was becasue of the conversations we had had stemming from this OP. She said she wasn't doing it because of feeling convicted by God to do so or for reasons of being against BC. She was doing it because she didn't know when the right time to have another baby was and this way God would have control. Isn't that the same thing as being against BC? Guess not.

The story behind it is, we have always wanted 4 or 5 kids, we have 2 presently. After the second, age 2, we have had some concerns about it. She is a handful! She always has been since she was born. The first was sweet as pie and quiet, of course she was 3 months premature as well. She's almost 6 now, no problems or health concerns at all! Thank the Lord. So, we kept thinking if we allow the second one to grow up and start school we would be more ready for the third, but now we are considering homeschooling and her starting school won't matter.

My thinking is that each child is different, God won't give us more than we can hanlde, and He will provide for us, whether that be patience or resources. I'm all for getting rid of the BC and she is, too, but she is only for the reason to give God back control and decide for us the right time. Not because she feels it is wrong. I feel it is Biblically worng to interfere with God's plans and try to plan our own paths.

Why am I having a hard time with her view? Shouldn't I be happy that she wants to give up the BC and get over the reasons why?

God Bless

 

[Gwenyfur]

I'm all for getting rid of the BC and she is, too, but she is only for the reason to give God back control and decide for us the right time. Not because she feels it is wrong. I feel it is Biblically worng to interfere with God's plans and try to plan our own paths.

Why am I having a hard time with her view? Shouldn't I be happy that she wants to give up the BC and get over the reasons why?

Well, and this may just be my opinion, but at the root of it you both are in agreement. The elimination of BC gives up your control over your lives and gives it back to God. Her heart is right if that's the reason she's giving up the clamp. It may just be that she'll find your perspective in time, or it may just be splitting hairs

Whether or not BC is biblically wrong or right I won't go into again for obvious reasons, but in the end God is in control whether BC is used or not. My first was a BC baby.

I was a lot younger and a complete pagan in those days, and didn't have the knowledge that I have now. That doesn't mean that looking back I can't see God's design and plan. I had to have her at that point in time, so that she could do His work and lead her mom to find Jesus as her Savior

Any how, my point LOL

BC or not, God is in control. It's between you and God as to what type, if any, that you use or not use. If you feel it's wrong to use it, and she feels it's wrong and taking away God's control, then dont' use it. Why be bothered over the tiny things that really won't matter once we're united with our Lord

God Bless,

 

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Well, and this may just be my opinion, but at the root of it you both are in agreement. The elimination of BC gives up your control over your lives and gives it back to God. Her heart is right if that's the reason she's giving up the clamp. It may just be that she'll find your perspective in time, or it may just be splitting hairs

Whether or not BC is biblically wrong or right I won't go into again for obvious reasons, but in the end God is in control whether BC is used or not. My first was a BC baby.

I was a lot younger and a complete pagan in those days, and didn't have the knowledge that I have now. That doesn't mean that looking back I can't see God's design and plan. I had to have her at that point in time, so that she could do His work and lead her mom to find Jesus as her Savior

Any how, my point LOL

BC or not, God is in control. It's between you and God as to what type, if any, that you use or not use. If you feel it's wrong to use it, and she feels it's wrong and taking away God's control, then dont' use it. Why be bothered over the tiny things that really won't matter once we're united with our Lord

God Bless,

Good point.

BUT, she just came back from her Dr appointment and did not have it removed. She kept it in. She felt that by having it in, she feels more secure. She wants to know she won't have another until she thinks she is ready. She said she is going to enjoy the two we have to the fullest until she feels ready to have another one. What about God's plan or my desires? She didn't even discuss it with me, she just left it in after we decided she was going to have it removed.

I'm very disappointed and upset about this, but nothing I say or quote makes a difference. She won't trust God to guide our lives.

 

[LostnFound]

Natural Family planning has been used for as long as there have been women who knew how to do it. I can stand behind barrier methods, because,as stated previously, if God wants to bless us with a cjild, no barrier will stop it. Once I learned that the Pill was, in fact, an abortificant, I was no longer able to consider that an option.

I very successfully used NFP during my breast- feeding years, but would only encourage women to do so if they were really willing to become very good at it. I could tell you, almost to the hour, when I was ovulating....and I have one child and one miscarriage to prove it! (DH didn't heed my warnings!!)

 

[Gwenyfur]

I'm very disappointed and upset about this, but nothing I say or quote makes a difference. She won't trust God to guide our lives.

My dear brother in Christ, the only comfort or quote I can give to you, is cast all your cares upon the Lord. This is apparently an issue in your marriage that can only be solved with prayer. Amazing how many of our life problems and battles are won on our knees, beseeching our Lord and accepting His will when He answers.

I will pray for you both, as I know there is tension in your home right now...

God Bless and Keep You

 

[TwinCrier]

Is this IUD, the same as "the clamp"? I'm not familiar with the term IUD.

IUD stands for Intra-uterine Device and refers to all devices placed inside the uterus to irratate the lining and cause an abortion each month instead of implantation of the fertilized egg/ovum.

Health Risks:

Getting any vaginal infection while using an IUD can increase the risk of developing a serious pelvic infection. This can result in a loss of fertility. For this reason, women need to assess their own risk for infection. If you have multiple partners or if your partner has multiple partners, your chance of infection is much higher.


Piercing or perforation of the uterine wall may occur during insertion of the IUD. Over time, an IUD may become imbedded in the uterine wall. An Imbedded IUD is still effective, but it can be painful and may need to be removed. There is a risk of surgery and/or sterility if an IUD becomes imbedded.

If a woman becomes pregnant while using an IUD, it is highly recommended that she have the IUD removed, whether or not she wants to carry the pregnancy to term. An IUD increases the risk of having a miscarriage or premature birth.

A woman who becomes pregnant while using an IUD is also more likely to have an ectopic pregnancy. An ectopic pregnancy occurs when a fertilized egg attaches and grows outside the uterus. This can be very dangerous and requires emergency medical attention.


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Side Effects

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Both the ParaGard and the Mirena IUDs can cause longer, heavier, and more painful menstrual periods, but this is much less common with the Mirena. The increased blood flow may cause anemia. Spotting may occur without serious cause or as a sign of infection.

The Mirena IUD can cause ovarian cysts. Some women using the Mirena stop bleeding altogether. Usually their menstrual periods return when the IUD is removed. Mirena can cause weight gain, headaches, increased blood pressure, acne, depression, and decrease in sex drive.

Future Fertility

Women who want to become pregnant may have their IUD removed at any time. While most women who stop using IUDs are able to become pregnant, IUDs can have negative effects on a woman's fertility. If perforation, embedding, or pelvic infection occurs, the uterus or tubes may become damaged and lower the chance of pregnancy. In cases of severe damage or infection of the uterus, a hysterectomy (removal of the uterus) may be required, resulting in permanent sterility. The synthetic hormone in the Mirena IUD can cause a delay in return of menstruation and fertility after it is removed.

 

[GreenEyedLady]

Good point.

BUT, she just came back from her Dr appointment and did not have it removed. She kept it in. She felt that by having it in, she feels more secure. She wants to know she won't have another until she thinks she is ready. She said she is going to enjoy the two we have to the fullest until she feels ready to have another one. What about God's plan or my desires? She didn't even discuss it with me, she just left it in after we decided she was going to have it removed.

I'm very disappointed and upset about this, but nothing I say or quote makes a difference. She won't trust God to guide our lives.

I am sorry you are going through this. I will be honest with you, I whole heartly regret ever trying to control how many children God would bless me with. Not because I lost my daughter, but because now, I see the decisions I made did not include God. It only included what was convient for me. I have begged God for forgiveness and hope that if it is His will, NOT MINE, if I should have more, that it will be done. If I could download my thoughts and expiences to you and put them on a CD-ROM I would mail it to you so you and your wife could watch. In the mean time all I can do it pray. However, God deals with the wife through the husband. I would keep talking about this and ask her to pray with you to GOD on your knees about this.
GEL