Question for former mormons

[RufustheRed]

As you will note, I only spoke in generalities as is appropriate.

I noted how rude you have been to the other posters of this site which is highly inappropriate.

There is no need for me to discuss them with you. I know what the changes are, and I understand them. There has been a number of things done that reduce the time of a temple session, but none that takes away from the necessary material and covenants.

So the Christian pastors are still considered hirelings of Satan in the endowment ceremony????

Not at all. Intensive-has no meaning of its own in this usage.

"Intensive." Yeah, right. "Has no meaning of it own." Sure. Whatever you say, Pal, and you said that you learned this in the Christian Church

I did a "google" on your word "freaking" and came up with the flowing:

1. Urban Dictionary: freaking

2. Urban Dictionary: freaking

3. Urban Dictionary: freaking

Perhaps you should check things out before you go posting them on a Christian site. Maybe you heard this in the "Cultural Hall" at church. Quite honestly, I was astounded that you would use such vernacular after you claimed to be a "good man."

I am a good man.

Good for you. Read this from Romans 7

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

That was Saint Paul's writings. Man, if he had all of those problems how much more do I have to do. I just praise God for His grace.

I love my family.

So do I. How does that make you different that I am?

I worked hard to recei1ve a good education.

Me, too. I didn't even start college until I was forty years old.

I have advanced in my career.

Ditto. In fact, I've had two careers and I retired at the grand old age of forty-nine. I still don't how that makes you better or better off than I am.

I always seek to be completely honest with others and myself and do what's right. Not a bad start.

Not a bad start to what? God said that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Being a sinner is not the problem; being redeemed is. Well, it isn't really a problem because it is free.

Romans 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Okay, we got all this figured out. You're humble, sinless, and completely honest, kind, compassionate and help little old men like me to cross the street. If you have all of these positive attributes, why are you so disagreeable with the non-LDS posters here? I don't dislike you, but I get the impression the reverse is not necessarily true.

All you have to do is listen to God. You can start with the verses I shared with you.

Have a great week.

Rufus the Red

 

[Detai]

I noted how rude you have been to the other posters of this site which is highly inappropriate.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

So the Christian pastors are still considered hirelings of Satan in the endowment ceremony????

You are talking about a person who was described as a sincere seeker of the truth when placed in a difficult position to choose, did the right thing.

"Intensive." Yeah, right. "Has no meaning of it own." Sure. Whatever you say, Pal, and you said that you learned this in the Christian Church

I did a "google" on your word "freaking" and came up with the flowing:

1. Urban Dictionary: freaking

2. Urban Dictionary: freaking

3. Urban Dictionary: freaking

Perhaps you should check things out before you go posting them on a Christian site. Maybe you heard this in the "Cultural Hall" at church. Quite honestly, I was astounded that you would use such vernacular after you claimed to be a "good man."

Perhaps if you ask me to tell you what I meant by something, you should listen to my truthful answer instead of adding your own spin.

Good for you. Read this from Romans 7

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

That was Saint Paul's writings. Man, if he had all of those problems how much more do I have to do. I just praise God for His grace.






So do I. How does that make you different that I am?



Me, too. I didn't even start college until I was forty years old.



Ditto. In fact, I've had two careers and I retired at the grand old age of forty-nine. I still don't how that makes you better or better off than I am.



Not a bad start to what? God said that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Being a sinner is not the problem; being redeemed is. Well, it isn't really a problem because it is free.

Romans 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Okay, we got all this figured out. You're humble, sinless, and completely honest, kind, compassionate and help little old men like me to cross the street. If you have all of these positive attributes, why are you so disagreeable with the non-LDS posters here? I don't dislike you, but I get the impression the reverse is not necessarily true.

All you have to do is listen to God. You can start with the verses I shared with you.

Have a great week.

Rufus the Red

This isn't a competition.

 

[RufustheRed]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You don't think that you have been rude to the non-LDS posters here? Perhaps they should comment.

You are talking about a person who was described as a sincere seeker of the truth when placed in a difficult position to choose, did the right thing.

You didn't answer the question. Was that deliberate? Is or is not the Christian pastor shown as a hireling of Satan or not? A simple yes or no would suffice.

Perhaps if you ask me to tell you what I meant by something, you should listen to my truthful answer instead of adding your own spin.

My own spin? Really? It appears that you sometimes like to redefine words so that they can comfortably fit into your communications. Sorry, I just couldn't buy your story when it was quite apparent that you were attempting to be a little coy and not very LDS in using that particular word. Words have meanings and we mere mortals can't just arbitrarily define their meanings.

This isn't a competition.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I'm competing with you or anyone else. Can/will you clarify what you meant? Thanks.

 

[Detai]

You don't think that you have been rude to the non-LDS posters here? Perhaps they should comment.

You ask me about talking about the temple.

I tell you that I replied in the appropriate manner.

You reply by talking about rudeness.

Makes no sense.

You didn't answer the question. Was that deliberate? Is or is not the Christian pastor shown as a hireling of Satan or not? A simple yes or no would suffice.

You just love to try to back us in a corner, don't you?

There was no person defined as a Christian pastor.

Why would a Christian pastor be preaching to Adam?

My own spin? Really? It appears that you sometimes like to redefine words so that they can comfortably fit into your communications. Sorry, I just couldn't buy your story when it was quite apparent that you were attempting to be a little coy and not very LDS in using that particular word. Words have meanings and we mere mortals can't just arbitrarily define their meanings.

Yes your spin(that continues above), really. You asked me the question; I gave you a truthful answer. If you can't handle that, sorry.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I'm competing with you or anyone else. Can/will you clarify what you meant? Thanks.

Don't play this game with me.

 

[MamaZ]

I am a good man. I love my family. I worked hard to receive a good education. I have advanced in my career. I always seek to be completely honest with others and myself and do what's right. Not a bad start.

And when all is said or done what do you believe this will gain you?

 

[Moodshadow]

You ask me about talking about the temple. I tell you that I replied in the appropriate manner. But by your own subjective definition of "appropriate," which is not the same as everyone else's, most notably Noah Webster's.

You reply by talking about rudeness. An appropriate response, by the dictionary definition. Makes no sense. Makes perfect sense, because it was in fact RUDE. The origin of the word "freaking" is rude, crude and socially unacceptable to the nth degree, and no one who calls him/herself a follower of Christ would deem it appropriate to use that word in ANY context. Can you envision a general authority using it?

There was no person defined as a Christian pastor. "Sectarian minister" is the way it was the exact wording. Would you please tell us how that differs, contextually, from "Christian pastor?"

Why would a Christian pastor be preaching to Adam? Bingo! HERE is where "makes no sense" would be appropriate.

Don't play this game with me.

We both know that there's only one here playing games, and all the CF identities in the world won't disguise the old game-player.

 

[Detai]

We both know that there's only one here playing games, and all the CF identities in the world won't disguise the old game-player.

It's your little band of anti-mormon cronies and cf that are playing the games. My little indiscretion in protest to those games pales in proportion to the blindness of the forces at work here against the cause of truth.

I answered everything truthfully and to the point, but it is obviously you who is placed in the position of having to try to paint it otherwise and obviously you have no trouble doing it in spite of the fact that somewhere inside you, you know that I am telling the truth

 

[angelmom01]

It's your little band of anti-mormon cronies and cf that are playing the games. My little indiscretion in protest to those games pales in proportion to the blindness of the forces at work here against the cause of truth.

I answered everything truthfully and to the point, but it is obviously you who is placed in the position of having to try to paint it otherwise and obviously you have no trouble doing it in spite of the fact that somewhere inside you, you know that I am telling the truth

From:http://www.christianforums.com/t2864140/#post52147612

(emphasis mine)

Due to the increasing number of reports being made against Mormon members for referring to other members as "anti-Mormon", "Mormon haters", "haters", &c. Theology staff have reviewed the use of these terms, and are issuing the following guidelines:

1. Mormons are welcomed and valued members of this forum, and we value their contributions to this site.

2. We recognise that many non-Mormon members may vigorously oppose Mormon doctrines for a variety of reasons, and we respect their right to do so, particularly within the Latter Day Saints theological forum.

3. Any argument against Mormon doctrine must be made in a reasoned and respectful manner. Appropriate substantiation must be made for all claims, and flames (unsubstantiated insults or comments that are likely to insult) against Mormon members, the Mormon Church, or important Mormon figures are not an appropriate way of expressing your disagreement with Mormonism.

4. Mormon members are expected to treat all members, including those non-Mormon members who may vigorously oppose their doctrines, with respect. As the term "anti-Mormon" as used in this forum has come to have the connotation of one who is against or hates Mormons as people, Theology staff have decided that it is not an appropriate term for use in this forum. Therefore, if any member refers to another member as "anti-Mormon", "an anti", "hater", "Mormon hater", or any related terms with the same meaning, such comments will from now on be regarded as flaming and will be dealt with as such.

5. These guidelines come into effect from when they are issued, so please do not report posts made before the announcement that refer to "anti-Mormons" &c.

(above posted 11/28/07; link also provided above)

I don't go around reporting posts, but you might want to be careful about adhering to the rules, before someone else does. (Just a friendly reminder.)

 

[skylark1]

It's your little band of anti-mormon cronies and cf that are playing the games.

I suppose that you are referring to non-LDS Christians who regularly post in this forum.

What is a crony?
Crony is a derogatory (negative) term for someone else's friend, buddy.

source​

dys·phe·mism
: the substitution of a disagreeable, offensive, or disparaging expression for an agreeable or inoffensive one; also : an expression so substituted source​

Why do you choose to use a derogatory term instead of an acceptable term, such as friend? I can only assume that your intenet is to insult.

My little indiscretion in protest to those games pales in proportion to the blindness of the forces at work here against the cause of truth.

Which little indiscretion would that be?

I am not here to play games, and I assume that those who you refer to as Moonshadow's "cronies" are not either. Just because we do not hold to your beliefs does not mean that we are playing games, nor does it make us blind or working against "the cause of truth." I believe that it is the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost who brings us to the truth. I don't believe that anyone here believes that they are working aginst the Spirit of Truth. Why do you presume to sit in judgment of us?

I answered everything truthfully and to the point, but it is obviously you who is placed in the position of having to try to paint it otherwise and obviously you have no trouble doing it in spite of the fact that somewhere inside you, you know that I am telling the truth

Why do you presume to know what she believes deep inside of her? I prefer to take other's words for what they believe. To insist that they believe otherwise would be presumptious and arrogant.

John 13
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”​

 

[Moodshadow]

It's your little band of anti-mormon cronies and cf that are playing the games. My little indiscretion in protest to those games pales in proportion to the blindness of the forces at work here against the cause of truth.

(1) The term "anti-Mormon" is not supposed to be used here, remember? (2) Even if the term were allowed, it would not apply to me, and probably not to anyone else here, either. (3) The word "cronies," even with the perverted little spin you put on it there, implies a relationship of a friendly nature. While I do seem to have some things in common with posters here, and I certainly do have respect for them (and yes, that would include LDS ones), other than that I wouldn't even know them if they were my next-door neighbors. So "cronies" was an inappropriate choice of words, don't you think? (4) As for your "little indiscretion," I haven't a clue what that might be, and it's okay with me to leave it at that. (5) And finally (and I really wish someone could make you understand this), we know that you have reasons for adhering to Mormonism that you believe are valid, and no one would deny you that right. Likewise, those of us who have left Mormonism have done so for what we believe are valid and important reasons. Why do you feel such a driving need to lower yourself to hurl insults upon people simply because they reject what you believe? That doesn't automatically equate to rejecting you as a person, you know. We are all children of God, and we're all adults. Aren't we?

 

[A New Dawn]

CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC???? If people actually answered the questions and stuck to the topic, we wouldn't even be discussing the business of calling names or pointing fingers, etc. This is a discussion board, not a playground. Can we all act like adults?

 

[BarryK]

It's your little band of anti-mormon cronies and cf that are playing the games. My little indiscretion in protest to those games pales in proportion to the blindness of the forces at work here against the cause of truth.

I answered everything truthfully and to the point, but it is obviously you who is placed in the position of having to try to paint it otherwise and obviously you have no trouble doing it in spite of the fact that somewhere inside you, you know that I am telling the truth

ummm,
your " little indiscretion " is nothing more than out and out deception 4g/Bex/Detai.

concerning the "forces at work here against the cause of truth." you have yet to account for your L.D.S. leaders exhortning the L.D.S. to suppress the truth ( see the "Truth" thread)

your claim "forces at work here against the cause of truth." holds no credibility at all, you still have avoided answering a very simple question in the "truth" thread

I am in full agreement with A New Dawn, please start behaving like an adult

 

[A New Dawn]

FWIW, my statement was not directed at anyone in particular. It was for everyone who is not discussing the topic, but instead is choosing to discuss each other.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I post because as a Latter-day Saint I was taught what Robert Millet said: "We never provide meat when milk will do." This saying was known among church members before Mr. Millet said it. This meant, "Don't share so much that you scare away potential converts."

I disagree, the milk of the word is to grow by. The meat is for those who are mature. If you bring new converts in, they must have the milk of the word to grow on. Honey is revelation from God's word, that you cannot get unless you are born-again by His Spirit. But, what do I care about converts, I am not Mormon. But a wise man wins souls, and I rather win them to the Lord, than to a doctrine of man. Be blessed.

 

[BarryK]

FWIW, my statement was not directed at anyone in particular. It was for everyone who is not discussing the topic, but instead is choosing to discuss each other.

you are right.
please accept my appologies
BK

 

[kenblaster5000]

Get out of my face. Detai, started off as a way to contact people to let them know I had been banned. Later on I just decided to use it in protest to the sham that is cf. I never denied anything. I know you like to try to color anything lds as negatively as possible; nothing new.

I heard some are probably devil's advocates as well, but that is just hearsay.

 

[RufustheRed]

I know, us mormons should never question one of you; should we, or we are rude.

If I am rude to you or anyone else, please do one of these two things. Either (1) report me or (2) confront me). This invitation stands for all who post here. Thank you.

Rufus

 

[kenblaster5000]

If I am rude to you or anyone else, please do one of these two things. Either (1) report me or (2) confront me). This invitation stands for all who post here. Thank you.

Rufus

Get off my durn propurdy ya rascallion.

 

[RufustheRed]

You ask me about talking about the temple.

I tell you that I replied in the appropriate manner.

You reply by talking about rudeness.

Makes no sense.

Fair enough. I lost the connections. I'm sorry.

You just love to try to back us in a corner, don't you?

No, I'd love for everything to be very visible without people changing meanings of words and history.

There was no person defined as a Christian pastor.

Now you're the one playing games. I thought that was beneath you. In the early 1900s the Christian preacher was called "preacher" then in 1984 the name was changed to "sectarian minister." It matters not, the context is the mocking of non-LDS Christianity. I wish you would wouldn't try to be so deceptive. You're the one who claimed to be honest (post #78)

Why would a Christian pastor be preaching to Adam?

You tell me. It's your endowment, not mine.

Yes your spin(that continues above), really. You asked me the question; I gave you a truthful answer. If you can't handle that, sorry.

Yes. You gave me AN answer, but you didn't give me THE answer. I can handle the truth. It's when people try to be deceptive that I have trouble respecting them. I truly wanted to engage in some meaningful, honest dialogue but I fear that is no longer possible. You have violated that intangible trust line.

Don't play this game with me.

I don't play games with you or anyone else. I am too old and life is too short. I will discuss meaningful theologies with those who want to do the same.

It's too bad. I was looking forward to this having some meaningful dialogue. Perhaps an honest LDS member will come along. Who knows? Only time will tell.

I DO wish you and your family a nice nice New Year. I pray that you are more honest with them than you have been with us.

Rufus the Red

 

[kenblaster5000]

Oh, by the way, I am a latter-day saint and a jehovah's witness, so figure that out.