Question for former mormons

[Detai]

What LDS teach their members is constantly changing. We can remember teachings that you may have never been taught.

Give me a freaking break, Phoebe Ann.

 

[Moodshadow]

You were supposed to be an active member for 40 years who supposedly hasn't forgotten so you tell me.

Did you really have the idea that I didn't know the answer to my question?

 

[Moodshadow]

Give me a freaking break, Phoebe Ann.

That was a very rude response to Phoebe Ann's very valid point. Were you attending the temple in the 60s, for example? The endowment ceremony has undergone significant changes over the years - and that's just one example of what she's talking about. There are many more - in case you didn't know.

 

[Detai]

That was a very rude response to Phoebe Ann's very valid point. Were you attending the temple in the 60s, for example? The endowment ceremony has undergone significant changes over the years - and that's just one example of what she's talking about. There are many more - in case you didn't know.

We've been all over this, but if you think you can show me one significant change of doctrine, why don't you point one out?

Her point is not valid; my response was not rude. In fact, her comment so ridiculous that my response was about the mildest one that could be made in light of it.

 

[Detai]

Did you really have the idea that I didn't know the answer to my question?

Instead of producing another smoke screen, why don't you produce?

 

[A New Dawn]

We've been all over this, but if you think you can show me one significant change of doctrine, why don't you point one out?

Polygamy
Adam-God
As man is, God once was. As God is, man will become.
Blood atonement
Nature of God changed over time from modalism (seen in the BoM (especially the 1st printing)), to Trinitarianism, to polytheism
Nature of the apostasy


Actually, it seems like most of the doctrines of the church have changed since their inception. The new LDS church is nothing like the LDS church of the 1880s, or even the 1970s.

 

[RufustheRed]

Give me a freaking break, Phoebe Ann.

Was that rudeness something you learned before or after you became a Mormon? It certainly does NOT help your witness.

Rufe

 

[Detai]

Polygamy

Doctrine not changed. Practice ceased in the case of living i.e. only one living wife.

Adam-God

Something Brigham Young taught, and no one that I know of knows exactly what He was talking about. If you see him, ask him for me.

As man is, God once was. As God is, man will become.

Never has been official doctrine accepted by the church as a body, but that is a minor point. Think you will find in the church that the membership accepts that as a truism. Never changed.

Blood atonement

Never changed. Christ atoned for us with His blood. True doctrine. Other than that you are just speculating.

Nature of God changed over time from modalism (seen in the BoM (especially the 1st printing)), to Trinitarianism, to polytheism

That's bull, A New Dawn, and you know it. Since the days of Joseph Smith, the church has taught that they are 3 separate and distinct personages as one in purpose.

Nature of the apostasy

please elaborate.

Actually, it seems like most of the doctrines of the church have changed since their inception. The new LDS church is nothing like the LDS church of the 1880s, or even the 1970s.

I've been a member since the early 70s. Sorry--same church. The only significant things I can think of are all worthy male member to hold the priesthood, which was foretold, understood, and looked eagerly forward to, and the somethings adjusted in the temple which were not substantive at all as all the same ideas are still present and the really important stuff is no change at all, period.

I don't know why I have to even go over all this stuff. How many times has all this doodoo been gone over?--except the nature of the apostacy thing which I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you saying you weren't paying attention or did you just forget?

 

[RufustheRed]

We've been all over this, but if you think you can show me one significant change of doctrine, why don't you point one out?

I was under the impression that Mormons didn't like it when we talked about the temple ceremony. Would you want us to talk about the changes in the endowment ceremony?

Her point is not valid; my response was not rude.

Then you don't mind telling us what you mean by the word "freaking." Correct?

In fact, her comment so ridiculous that my response was about the mildest one that could be made in light of it.

I'll give you some credit. You DO think highly of yourself, don't you?

 

[A New Dawn]

Doctrine not changed. Practice ceased in the case of living i.e. only one living wife.
Something Brigham Young taught, and no one that I know of knows exactly what He was talking about. If you see him, ask him for me.
Never has been official doctrine accepted by the church as a body, but that is a minor point. Think you will find in the church that the membership accepts that as a truism. Never changed.
Never changed. Christ atoned for us with His blood. True doctrine. Other than that you are just speculating.
That's bull, A New Dawn, and you know it. Since the days of Joseph Smith, the church has taught that they are 3 separate and distinct personages as one in purpose.
please elaborate.

I've been a member since the early 70s. Sorry--same church. The only significant things I can think of are all worthy male member to hold the priesthood, which was foretold, understood, and looked eagerly forward to, and the somethings adjusted in the temple which were not substantive at all as all the same ideas are still present and the really important stuff is no change at all, period.

I don't know why I have to even go over all this stuff. How many times has all this doodoo been gone over?--except the nature of the apostacy thing which I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you saying you weren't paying attention or did you just forget?

Like I said, all the doctrines have changed. If they hadn't, you'd still be practicing and believing them now as they were practiced and believed then. (And I'm sure I don't need to remind you that you've whitewashed some of them so they appear to be something they never were and fallen back on the old "not official doctrine" on others so you don't have to claim it was ever taught.)

 

[Detai]

Was that rudeness something you learned before or after you became a Mormon? It certainly does NOT help your witness.

Rufe

I know, us mormons should never question one of you; should we, or we are rude. By the way, I learned that before I was LDS when I was in mainstream Christianity, but the only difference was there was a different word in place of "freaking".

When you see us desecrating things that are sacred to you while picketing your church buildings and services, then talk to me about rude.

 

[A New Dawn]

When you see us desecrating things that are sacred to you while picketing your church buildings and services, then talk to me about rude.

You don't seem to understand that your whole organization exists because one man was desecrating what all of mainstream Christianity believes to be sacred. But I guess that's OK by you.

 

[Detai]

Like I said, all the doctrines have changed. If they hadn't, you'd still be practicing and believing them now as they were practiced and believed then. (And I'm sure I don't need to remind you that you've whitewashed some of them so they appear to be something they never were and fallen back on the old "not official doctrine" on others so you don't have to claim it was ever taught.)

As I thought. You have no idea what you are talking about, and have obviously either forgotten or ignored every time these things have been hashed over on this site.

 

[Detai]

You don't seem to understand that your whole organization exists because one man was desecrating what all of mainstream Christianity believes to be sacred. But I guess that's OK by you.

Our church exists because of God's plan, and His grace to prepare the earth for the second coming.

We've been all over that before, too. Were you not paying attention then or did you just forget...again?

 

[A New Dawn]

As I thought. You have no idea what you are talking about, and have obviously either forgotten or ignored every time these things have been hashed over on this site.

I haven't forgotten anything. I also know a lot of church history, as it was required for my minor in church history, so I know that you are not telling the whole truth when it comes to matters such as blood atonement and polygamy. If you don't want to discuss the truth of the matter, then say so, but to say a doctrine was something it wasn't doesn't make it true.

 

[A New Dawn]

Our church exists because of God's plan, and His grace to prepare the earth for the second coming.

Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think that God would spit in the face of millions of people who loved him just so he could set up a church that goes against everything that Christ worked so hard to attain so we could go back to having to follow the law.

 

[RufustheRed]

I know, us mormons should never question one of you; should we, or we are rude. By the way, I learned that before I was LDS when I was in mainstream Christianity, but the only difference was there was a different word in place of "freaking".

AND you said that you "truly believed in Christ" before you discovered the LDS church. No, you did not. Not if you think that Christians used similiar to "freaking" in their language.

When you see us desecrating things that are sacred to you while picketing your church buildings and services, then talk to me about rude.

You have NEVER seen me picketing one of your edifices or handing out pamphlets at conferences or at the "Pageant" in New York. So until you find evidence that I have, I recommend that you cease with the slander.

You had asked us "non-Morons" to show you some significant changes in the LDS church. Then when confronted with changes in the temple ceremonies, you get all insulted. Let me tell YOU something, I get insulted every time I hear your church or member of your church insult MY God by making fun of His being. If you don't understand the Trinity, may I suggest that you leave it alone because I consider everything about God to be VERY sacred. And the next time I see you missionary army marching through my neighborhood, I will insure that the neighbors will be aware of the lies that they tell. Fair enough?

It was because of some of the lies told to me by your missionaries (before you were Mormon) that I wa duped into joining your little club with its secret hand shakes, funny underwear and green aprons.

Have a pleasant week, Bub.

Rufus

 

[Detai]

I was under the impression that Mormons didn't like it when we talked about the temple ceremony. Would you want us to talk about the changes in the endowment ceremony?

As you will note, I only spoke in generalities as is appropriate.

There is no need for me to discuss them with you. I know what the changes are, and I understand them. There has been a number of things done that reduce the time of a temple session, but none that takes away from the necessary material and covenants.

Then you don't mind telling us what you mean by the word "freaking." Correct?

Not at all. Intensive-has no meaning of its own in this usage.

I'll give you some credit. You DO think highly of yourself, don't you?

I am a good man. I love my family. I worked hard to receive a good education. I have advanced in my career. I always seek to be completely honest with others and myself and do what's right. Not a bad start.

 

[RufustheRed]

Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think that God would spit in the face of millions of people who loved him just so he could set up a church that goes against everything that Christ worked so hard to attain so we could go back to having to follow the law.

 

[Detai]

AND you said that you "truly believed in Christ" before you discovered the LDS church. No, you did not. Not if you think that Christians used similiar to "freaking" in their language.

I use exactly like freaking in my language. In fact, that is exactly the word I used, and you don't have the authority to say that I'm not a Christian even if you think you do nor do you have the right to define the term.

You have NEVER seen me picketing one of your edifices or handing out pamphlets at conferences or at the "Pageant" in New York. So until you find evidence that I have, I recommend that you cease with the slander.

Just love to try to twist everything to find any way to make us look like the villain, don't you? But I'm not going to let you get away with it. Although I made reference to people who claim to be non-mormon christians who do the things I mentioned, I never said that you did. So there you have it folks. Now you see how it works.

You had asked us "non-Morons" to show you some significant changes in the LDS church. Then when confronted with changes in the temple ceremonies, you get all insulted.

Give me a BREAK! (is that better for you or does that still hurt your feelings)

You think I get insulted when people act like they know so much about the church who just prove that they don't? It's not a reflection on me.

Let me tell YOU something, I get isulted everytime I hear your church or member of your church insult MY God my making fun of His being. If you don't understand the Trinity, may I suggest that you leave it alone because I consider everything about God to be VERY sacred. And the next time I see you missionary army marching through my neighborhood, I will insure that the neighbors will be aware of the lies that they tell. Fair enough?

It was because of some of the lies told to me by your missionaries (before you were Mormon) that I wa duped into joining your little club with its secret hand shakes, funny underwear and green aprons.

Have a pleasant week, Bub.

Rufus

Yeah, I see how sacred you treat the things of God.

I don't see that you have any business lecturing me on Christ-like behavior.