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Question for Evolutionists
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PsychoSarah
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There are animals (humans not included) and other life forms that really don't have fossil transitions.
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That is not much of a weakness since "gaps" in the fossil record are predicted. Fossilization is a very rare event. Especially for land based fossils. The fact that every fossil found fits the evolutionary paradigm is extremely strong evidence for evolution.
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PsychoSarah
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There are a few instances where things really seem to pop out of nowhere. Since I am a fan of carnivorous plants, nepenthes come to mind.
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What Sepai said. Demanding an example of every intermediate form is a YEC beloved PRATT, but it's not really a weakness of TOE. TOE predicts that all fossils will fit into a nested hierarchy, it doesn't predict that you will find a fossilized example of every organism in the hierarchy.
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I disagree, metamorphosis is one of those biological phenomena that's harder to explain than, say, finch beaks. As per the OP, metamorphosis is one of those things that makes me think twice, that makes me think, "How did that evolve?!".
This thread is about subjective opinion. If Armoured finds metamorphosis the weak part of the theory, or the least well understood, or the best contender for a 'what evolution can't explain' contest, that's his business. Who are you to tell him his opinion?
Hear, hear.
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PsychoSarah
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When I mean no transition, I mean that there is no sign of any predecessor beyond what we find through genetic testing. Nepenthes make it all the worse by not only seeming to pop out of nowhere, but by having no living close relatives. The closest relatives are carnivorous plants with entirely different trap mechanisms.
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PsychoSarah
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They are amazing plants. They are also one of very few groups of plants with complete gender lines (there are exclusively male plants and exclusively female plants, which have different flowers).
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It's interesting to note that most fossils are complete creatures, in their full forms.
Fossils are a strong evidence for creationism too.
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No they're not. Most fossils are clear intermediaries between earlier and later creatures. There isn't a single example in the entire fossil record that doesn't fit the predictions of the TOE.
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A very long time ago Tyrannosaurus Rex roamed what is now North America, can you really imagine humans, buffalo, horses and deer being able to survive with those monsters on the loose?
The fossils show that there are many animals quite different from anything that lives today. But the real killer is that there are clearly far too many animals to fit on a boat.
I'd like a creationist to finally describe what sort of "not fully formed" they think should exist according to evolution?
Personally, there are plenty of weird half way points that work pretty well. Like what is it like to have half a foot and half a flipper:
(Judging from this guy, it's awesome fun.)
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Well, what else would they be? Evolution requires that each form be an individual improvement, not a brief intermediary.
I disagree: Creationism doesn't, and can't, predict them. Evolution requires a transitional form between fish and amphibians, and when scientists dug around at the predicted stratum for the predicted species... they found Tiktaalik. Creationism can claim no such success, so it can't grasp them as 'strong evidence'.
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mzungu
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Indeed
And to add; it all boils down to one elementary fact: "Function dictates form". A sea dwelling creature that swims must have a means of propulsion, and directional control. Hydrodynamics limits the shapes to only the ones that can function.See where I am going with this? Basically a creature with 3 fingered hands could not fashion tools as efficiently as a creature with 4 fingered plus thumb hands.
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PsychoSarah
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A bit harsh, but yeah, I don't think Anya has actually looked at many fossils.
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