Question for Evolutionists

[Mistermystery]

But my interpretation of the bible says that purple is evil

 

[Tenka]

coexist just means exist together (and so do not contradict)

No way Jet this is my town, my town.

I'm still seeing God and the natural world we investigate with science as being two things quite apart and to say they coexist is to use the term more flexibly that I am accustomed.
Read: I'm old and set in my ways.
But if that's all it means then that's all there is to it.

 

[Tenka]

But my interpretation of the bible says that purple is evil

In Disney cartoons, evil is always purple and black.

 

[Tomk80]

Does this mean we can label MM's interpretation as the 'disney-interpretation' of the bible?

 

[BMac14]

They don't and he didn't.

Science is a method of investigation, No scientific investigation will ever include God.

Humans invented science.

Apparently you don't understand what I mean. To coexist means that one does not have to be ruled out for the other to exist. And then you go on to make some more assumptions. One, you said the science is a method of investigation. I understand one definition of science to be knowledge. The scientific method is the method for investigation within science. But I look at science itself as knowledge and seeking knowledge. Yes, humans created the scientific method. But as a Christian, I believe God created science because God was the one that gave us knowledge.

 

[BMac14]

Good for you, but to get questions awnsered, you really do need to act like a crazy fundie around here. Seriously, people who suddenly start to act rational don't get enough attention.

Your theory? I don't see why God couldn't have created the universe by using the big bang as His tool. If you see evolution as a tool of God, why not see the big bang as a tool as well?

I believe that all current evidence points towards that the big bang did happen. I can't be sure if there was a God involved or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was something of a supreme being.


Does that awnser your question?

Actually, I had really never thought about God using the Big Band theory. I see that possibility. Though, I think the reason I overlooked it is it would be hard to use that within the Bible itself. But this is the reason I ask so I can challenge my own belief. But maybe I should take your advice and be irrational so I can get more answers and thus have more to challenge myself with.

 

[Tenka]

To coexist means that one does not have to be ruled out for the other to exist.

I learned to live with that.

One, you said the science is a method of investigation.

It is.

I understand one definition of science to be knowledge.

Science can generate knowledge.

The scientific method is the method for investigation within science.

Within everything observable, I.E the universe.

But as a Christian, I believe God created science because God was the one that gave us knowledge.

You might say that you believe God created that which we investigate with science, but not that he created science.
As far as I know, we've had to figure pretty much everything out for ourselves, incuding the scietific method.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

In Disney cartoons, evil is always purple and black.

My entire wardrobe is purple and black, I must be a Disney villain.

Ghost

 

[DJ_Ghost]

I learned to live with that.

Or to co-exist with it?

It is.

Science can generate knowledge.

Within everything observable, I.E the universe.

You might say that you believe God created that which we investigate with science, but not that he created science.
As far as I know, we've had to figure pretty much everything out for ourselves, incuding the scietific method.

I am with you on this. Scince generates knowledge, it does so by the scientific method. therfore man invented science.

Ghost

 

[Mistermystery]

Actually, I had really never thought about God using the Big Band theory. I see that possibility. Though, I think the reason I overlooked it is it would be hard to use that within the Bible itself.

I don't see how it can't be used within the bible itself. let me try to use a weird analogy and seee if you can follow me:

What if I needed to explain something so big, and so extraordinary that is as big as the universe to a kid? I could sit down with the kid, let the kid take notes and talk for hours, explaining it in every detail. I'd explain red-shift and
the theory of general relativity, static cosmological solutions, metric tensors and what not.

Now think of what the kid in the end has learned. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. He probably lost track somewhere after the first 20 minutes. And assuming that he took notes of all my explainations, he'd have what? 30 pages? 50?

What I mean is, that if God wanted to explain everything about how the universe got created to a sheepherder (noah or whoever) who has never even seen a telescope, how would he have done that? He'd explain it as simple as possible.

Note that the sheepherder isn't stupid, it's just not possible to understandibly explain it to him with the knowledge he had. Does the bible not say that one should learn? Did God not give us a brain to investegate stuff? Why do you think that God gave you all that potential to learn, to gain knowledge?

Here's how I see it; The bible isn't a science book. The bible is a religious book. It explains in great detail how you can have a relation with God. God gave us brains, thought selfawareness and stuff through the process of evolution.

With evolution we don't have a vague connection with life on Earth (or some screwed up version of domination like some fundies say), we have a connection with *all* life to the basic level of what we all are build. Much more exillerating then the 2-3 pages the bible spended on this subject.

The brain is for me a reflection of God. He made us in his image right? Think about it, would God mean something as superficial as the outside, or our unique mind? With this brain He gave us the potential to learn about His first creation.

The universe and all that can't be contained in a book. The world can't be contained in a book. It's man-made, fallible, translated back and forth, and God knows what else. It still holds very intresting thruths though, but I reccon I don't have to tell you that. What I do would like to point out is that God gave us the tools to investegate His creation.

And to be honest, I prefer that creation above any man-made book.

this is the reason I ask so I can challenge my own belief. But maybe I should take your advice and be irrational so I can get more answers and thus have more to challenge myself with.

I like rationality. Makes me calm, gives me more time to give you a better awnser. I was just kidding you know

 

[Tenka]

Does this mean we can label MM's interpretation as the 'disney-interpretation' of the bible?

ROFL!
It shall henceforth be known.

My entire wardrobe is purple and black, I must be a Disney villain.

That's my nickname base for a friend of mine (who is "goth")
I call him Scar, Cruella DeVille or Jaffar ..he loves it ..honest.

Or to co-exist with it?

ROFL!
Indeed...

I am with you on this. Scince generates knowledge, it does so by the scientific method. therfore man invented science.

Cool, glad that is resolved.

 

[BMac14]

I don't see how it can't be used within the bible itself.

Well, lets see if I can explain why I never thought about the Big Bang theory in reference to the Bible. I'm not saying that something like that is outlined in the Bible. But as I began studying both the Bible and the idea of Theistic Evolution, I began seeing how Genesis 1 could actually be completely in line with that of evolution. Now, I just overlooked it because for some reason I thought I'd find something in the Bible. I guess I never really opened my mind enough for other creation theories. I realize that things that aren't in the Bible can still be explained without it as long as it doesn't contradict anything in the Bible.

I like rationality. Makes me calm, gives me more time to give you a better awnser. I was just kidding you know

I know, I was kidding too. I also like asking rational questions because I have a much better chance of getting rational answers and much more thought out answers, like yours above.

 

[Mistermystery]

I realize that things that aren't in the Bible can still be explained without it as long as it doesn't contradict anything in the Bible.

And does the bible contradict the big bang, or vica versa for your point of view?

I know, I was kidding too. I also like asking rational questions because I have a much better chance of getting rational answers and much more thought out answers, like yours above.

you're making me all blushy you.

 

[BMac14]

And does the bible contradict the big bang, or vica versa for your point of view?

Actually, I'd look at it as being possible. It's not something that could be read out of any verse, but nothing that contradicts any verse. So it is very possible that the use of the Big Bang could be done by God.

 

[MarinoMan]

I'm just wondering...if your saying that the Big Bang was done by God, wouldnt that go against what the bible says in genisis?

 

[Mistermystery]

I'm just wondering...if your saying that the Big Bang was done by God, wouldnt that go against what the bible says in genisis?

In what way would it go against that? Not everything is meant to be taken literal you know, there are poetic verses through out the whole bible, there are exerations (sp) on subjects, there are things that are meant to be taken in a diffrent light.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

ROFL!

That's my nickname base for a friend of mine (who is "goth")
I call him Scar, Cruella DeVille or Jaffar ..he loves it ..honest.

LOL.

Yes my wife and I are Goths, Goth DJs actually (hence the DJ in my user name) and we get similar nicknames. Its amusing from friends but less so from the complete strangers who seem to think they also get the rite to yell it at you in the street.

Marie generally gets “Morticia” or “Elvira” whilst I’ve had such a wide variety of witty comments I’ve lost count. Actually you have just cleared one up for me I got “Jaffar” last week and hadn’t a clue what the guy was talking about - I though he was calling me an orange! Lol.

Ghost

 

[Jet Black]

Actually, I had really never thought about God using the Big Band theory. I see that possibility. Though, I think the reason I overlooked it is it would be hard to use that within the Bible itself. But this is the reason I ask so I can challenge my own belief. But maybe I should take your advice and be irrational so I can get more answers and thus have more to challenge myself with.

one option is that knowledge of how God made the universe isn't really important. we are capable of finding that out for ourlseves by studying the universe. The Bible is there possibly because we are incapable of finding God without help.

 

[Tenka]

This pretty much says it all.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

This pretty much says it all.

Hmm, I think I see the connection.

Ghost