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Archaeologists can’t really help you with miracles, one way or the other. It is about history. The consensus is that the OT history, at least before the kings, isn’t very accurate.So.. the consensus opinion of the archeology institutions is a total rejection of the accounts of any supernatural events in the Old Testament. Is that basically where you stand?
FYI, but if you're going to play the evolution = eugenics cards, then surely you must accept that lots of people have used religion (including Christianity) to justify some pretty horrendous acts.
Glass houses and all that...
. The nazis and so called racial eugenicists were wrong about human evolution. The point being that they were wrong . We know better so why are you bringing it up now . That’s called beating a dead horse.
Theres is a lot of evidence for common descent and none for the biblical version of creation . When creationists come up with evidence for their claims then I’ll re examine this issue . I’m not holding my breath as so far they’ve only managed to lie, use incorrect techniques and misinform.
Science cannot confirm or disconfirm supernatural phenomena. Creationists don’t like that as they think that scientists should just grandfather in stories from the Bible just because they are stories from the Bible. They might have done that in the 1700s but that won’t work now . A scientist nowadays will ask for confirming evidence before they’ll accept phenomena as real
. Just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true . All human populations ( what some people call races) show a mix of ancestral traits and derived (more modern ) traits . For example white males tend to have brow ridges . African males do not . Brow ridges are an ancestral trait ( its shows up in other Hominidae) and a smooth brow is the more derived traitBecause junk like that is still believed by neo-nazis, white supremacists, KKK etc. So it is still relevant. Wiki.
White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in the now-discredited doctrine of scientific racism and often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews.
Scientific racism employs anthropology (notably physical anthropology), anthropometry, craniometry, and other disciplines or pseudo-disciplines, in proposing anthropological typologies supporting the classification of human populations into physically discrete human races, that might be asserted to be superior or inferior.
Personal experience is better than science, and God can do a lot to us in that regard.
any new technique is going to be queried until all questions about it are answered . This is as it should be. What is the point of using a technique that you don’t understand? YEC as a scientific reality failed in the mid 1700s when geology started to become more understandable . YEC was a failed idea long before Darwin came along and that was over 150 years ago . Why should we think this is a viable idea in the 21st century? Especially since it not the interpretation of the facts that’s at odds , YEC just has no evidence for itself . Natural phenomena has consequences Noah’s global flood? Fine , where’s the global sediment layer ? , what happened to the extremely high temperature that the earths surface would have become if this had actually happened? Where are the Genetic bottlenecks in every species that lived then? etc etc etcI'm aware of how evolutionists have chosen to try and interpret the data... (after initially insisting it couldn't exist and that YEC's are stupid for even suggesting it, bu let's forget that part)
So are we going to sit here and pretend there was ever going to be any conclusion other than one that accorded with the Evolutionary worldview? ..... C'mon... let's be real. We all know the answer to that, we're just supposed to pretend it isn't the case. We're supposed to pretend Evolutionists are actually testing their worldview every day... but that's a myth... the fundamental worldview is never up for debate, and never was. Because it is a slave to 'natural causation' as the explanation of all phenomena.
. There’s a difference between the personal experience of say redoing an experiment repeatedly until you’re sure you understand what going on and the personal experience of being told what to think even if it’s a denial of reality . Scientists do the first and creationists indulge in the secondYes it is, anyway science origin is the scientists experience, if there were no consciounsess or intelligence and trusty personal experience there would be no science, i don't see what the 'funny' rating is about.
. Just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true . All human populations ( what some people call races) show a mix of ancestral traits and derived (more modern ) traits . For example white males tend to have brow ridges . African males do not . Brow ridges are an ancestral trait ( its shows up in other Hominidae) and a smooth brow is the more derived trait
The miracles were real. If God through Christ created the universe then why would it be difficult for Him to control nature, to supersede physics at certain times. When Christ stated that he could call angels to defend Him, was he lying?
And what, exactly, is wrong with a naturalistic world view?
Archaeologists can’t really help you with miracles, one way or the other. It is about history. The consensus is that the OT history, at least before the kings, isn’t very accurate.
racist thinking was used as a justification for enslaving and exploiting darker skinned peoples long before Darwin was born . Most of that actually came from the Bible in western civilization lands, based on a ridiculous story about one of Noah’s sonsDid I say it was true? I'm the creationist, I don't believe in ancestral traits or any of that so-called evolution nonsense.
The point of posting that was, that type of racist belief came from a belief in evolution. Not saying everyone thinks that way, but a group of people can hardly think they are 'more evolved' unless they have evolution as their base world view. It prompted that line of thought that certain groups had evolved or developed further than others.
racist thinking was used as a justification for enslaving and exploiting darker skinned peoples long before Darwin was born . Most of that actually came from the Bible in western civilization lands, based on a ridiculous story about one of Noah’s sons
Wishful thinking on your part . The American civil war was around 1860- 1865 . Darwin wrote On the Origin of Species in England in 1859. Are you saying that the American and European slave trade and the racist / religious justification for it only took one year especially since slavery was banned in Great Britain by 1833 and in France by 1817.
In considering the accounts of miracles in the Old Testament (e.g. the Exodus Red Sea parting, the supernatural destruction of Jericho, Samson's supernatural strength, Elijah summoning fire down on God's enemies, etc. ) There are still miraculous signs and wonders but that does not get any attention from the media. The old miracles were also over thousands or at least hundreds of years apart.. So yes. I believe they occurred! Spiritual law one day will be shown to be just as scientific, actually superseding what is currently deemed, "possible".under physical laws.
Do you believe these are generally all mythologized stories? As in, the stories are there to convey a spiritual message, but the actual supernatural events did not actually happen?
I am curious because most of these events (after you get through the first few books of Genesis) have little to do with the basic Evolutionary story of the development of life on earth, and yet I wonder if those Christians who believe in Evolution, also tend to have a problem accepting any of the major accounts of supernatural events in the Old Testament as real, actual events?
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