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Featured Question for Christians who believe in Evolution

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by lifepsyop, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm reading The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth.
    I've been surprised at the diversity of ideas from very early Christian beliefs forward.
     
  2. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    Darwin was an abolitionist and he thought the intellectual differences between the so called races was due to education and culture . A typical of 19th century man of his social class would have thought lower class people weren’t worth listening to . Darwin learned from any one who would teach him . The man who taught him taxidermy was Black. His 19th century classist upbringing showed as he never named him in any of his writings but he did mention him.
     
  3. SaintCody777

    SaintCody777 The young, curious Berean

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    Just because the Bible never mentions certain things, does not mean it's unbiblical. Everybody believes in some kind of "science." Science literally means knowledge. With that being said, science that does not conflict with Scripture is profitable. In fact, the Bible IS itself, a scientific book. Take for example, the marine biology, which I study in college. The Bible does say that large sea creature like dolphins and whales, including the one that ate Jonah, and maybe colossal squid, and other large creatures or species of the sea that are not specifically mentioned in the Bible, were all created on the 5th day of creation. But the idea of man evolving from an ape in and of itself contradicts scripture and makes the nature of man and even Jesus connected to slime amoebas.
    Therefore, the idea that sea creature have evolved into humans is out of the picture. God created man Genesis 1:26 out of the ground. And in Genesis One, the Earth was created in 6 literal days with each day concluding with "And there was evening, and there was morning, the X day." Exodus 20:11 also confirms that 6 days were 6, literal, 24 hour days. There was, a Christian marine biologist, called Philip Henry Goose, who was part of the Plymouth Brethren and invented the aquarium. He wrote a book called Omplahos in an attempt to compromise the 6 day literal creation with evolution.
    Philip Henry Gosse | Plymouth Brethren Archive
    But back then, it got terrible press among the scientific community.
    I also believe that even today, certain Christians can still speak in tongues and have certain gifts of the Holy Spirit, depending on His discretion on whom to give a gift to and what kind of gift is it (1 Corinthians 12-14; Mark 16:9-20).
    The supernatural stories of the Bible, like Jesus raising a girl and Lazarus from the dead also give me hope and peace tat God is in control of this world all the time, though common sense may say otherwise.
     
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  4. coffee4u

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    He may have been an abolitionist, but nowhere is the difference said to be because of education and culture. He thought black people were less evolved and that women were less intelligent than men. Why you would want to defend him I don't know. Did you read that link? Darwin, race and gender

     
  5. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    I don’t trust creationist sources for info I can look up myself as they have a serious reputation for lying and omitting important details
     
  6. lifepsyop

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    This is pretty funny because 1700's 'old-earth' Geology was fundamentally wrong about earth history. Even today's mainstream geologists will admit that Uniformitarianism is nonsense. And that pseudoscience was being pushed by evolutionists right up into the mid-20th century.. (see the Missoula Flood controversy)

    This is where someone will chime in about the virtues of SCIENCE(tm), in that it is always correcting itself with new evidence. What they don't understand is that the corrections must only be considered if they ultimately conform to the greater metaphysical narrative of natural causes producing the earth and everything in it. That is the way it has always been.

    It is no different then the idea of YEC's constantly arguing and debating the causes and mechanisms associated with the global flood of Genesis. They are proceeding exactly the same as Evolutionists, only the YEC's philosophical "box" is a plain reading of Genesis, while the Evolutionists philosophical box is an Earth produced by natural processes. Neither ideological camp is capable of thinking outside of their boxes.

    The difference is that YEC's have no problem admitting their metaphysical biases, while Evolutionists will only reluctantly admit their own, and only when you've backed them into a corner on it. However to an unwitting public, Evolution is only presented as an unimpeachable data-driven truth of reality, (which is a total falsehood)
     
  7. coffee4u

    coffee4u Well-Known Member

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    I didn't look up creationist resources, I knew this stuff was out there and simply Googled for Darwin +evoltion +race.
    If it is creationist then maybe that's my pc remembering because I didn't check, I had assumed it was a secular resource.

    'The European Molecular Biology Organization' does not sound like a 'creationist resource' to me.
     
  8. coffee4u

    coffee4u Well-Known Member

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    Very true.

    Everyone has a bias, only most won't admit it!

    We happily admit our bias is God's word. :D
     
  9. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    The modern idea in geology is of uniformitarianism . That processes that happened in the past also happen in the present. We do understand that catastrophes happen occasionally since we see evidence of this . You complain about science but you still haven’t come up with verifiable evidence for creationist claims
     
  10. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    The incorrect creationist version of evolution to a Tee. Sea creatures didn’t evolve into humans . No mainstream biologists will ever tell you that . He’d the real lineage

    An extinct lineage of lobefins evolved into fishopods . Some of those fishopod lineages evolved into amphibians . An amphibian lineage evolved into the Reptilomorphan lineage. One of the reptilomorphs lineages ( the synapsida ) evolved into mammals . And mammals evolved into several lineages including Primates. Humans evolved from the great ape lineage. And just like humans are still reptilomorphs, synapsids, mammals and primates, we are still great apes in family Hominidae .

    before our lobefinned fish great great ..... great grand parents , we were chordates. Long before we we chordates ( I’m skipping some steps as I’ve got a few things to do) we were unicellular eucaryotes . Related to other eucaryotes like plants and fungi . The bacterial ancestors were archaean bacteria aided by eubacterial symbionts that eventually became mitochondria and in plants chloroplasts .
     
  11. KomatiiteBIF

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    I'm a mainstream geologist. Not I, nor geologists I've known, studied with, or worked with have ever considered uniformitarianism to be false.

    What you're saying is simply untrue.
     
  12. coffee4u

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    Which ^ is exactly what we mean when we say "evolutionists believe man evolved from seas creatures." Just because we don't use the whole tree, you know very well what we mean.

    Evolutionist "lobefins>fishopods>amphibians>Reptilomorphan>mammals>Primates>human Creationist: "Fish>humans" We aren't saying that you said we came directly from fish, we are saying you believe they were one thing in the line.
     
  13. The Barbarian

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    Yes, it's no coincidence that creationism is strongest in those states where slavery and segregation were the rule. As late as 1992, the head of the Institute for Creation Research was still blathering about the supposed intellectual and spiritual inferiority of blacks.

    This is one of the major differences between evolution and creationism. Not that all creastionists are racists; most of them are not. But racism is the logical conclusion for those who accept YE creationism.
     
  14. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    If so, it's kinda hard to see why it upsets creationists when scientists point out that humans evolved from other primates, not any sea creature.

    We get it; by pointing out the fact, it derails the narrative of sudden jump from sea creature to human.
     
  15. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    you know that languages evolve too. What darwin meant by race we would probably call a subspecies. I happily admit that if creationists, flat earthers and geocentists had any evidence for their claims then I would change my mind
     
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  16. inquiring mind

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    Yet, they base everything on a foundational belief themselves... that being science confirms/disconfirms everything.
     
  17. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    When it comes to natural phenomena science works to figure out what’s going on . Bronze Age holy books , don’t work so well
     
  18. The Barbarian

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    No, that's common superstition people have about scientists, but it's very false. Scientists will be the first to tell you that science is limited to learning about the physical universe, and cannot even consider the supernatural, either to affirm or deny.

    And of course they will tell you that nature is a terrible place to get morals or ethical information.

    It's perfectly O.K. to be unscientific when that's called for. I am often unscientific myself.
     
  19. inquiring mind

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    Science needs to remain within the limits of its expertise then, and not criticize that which it can't comprehend.
     
  20. inquiring mind

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    I didn't say anything about the supernatural. I said that science's foundational belief is that science confirms and disconfirms everything. But, that can't be proved, so what's the difference in that and belief in the supernatural foundational belief?
     
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