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I recently joined the SDA Church. I am learning alot and spend alot of time reading and studying the Bible.

It seems to me the SDA Church has alot of truth. They follow the Bible closer than any other denomination. They present scripture in a way that is clear and easy to understand.

My question is: Why is it that more people do not see these truths? (Such as the Sabbath, soul sleep, The Law of God being eternal, to name a few.) Is it because people do not study the Bible for themselves? Is it because many Christians are deceived? Is it because people are stubborn and do not want to change? Is the church asleep?

I do not understand why more people are not part of the SDA Church.

In Christ,
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I see my question is just sitting here all alone. So I will attempt to answer it myself, because it looks lonely.

<Matthew 7:13,14>
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

At this time I think that much of the christian world is already deep into apostasy. They are blinded to much that is in scripture. I am still hoping that as more light is shone on these truths, more people will see scripture in a clearer light. Perhaps as more people are exposed to these truths in the future, they, too, will come out of Babylon.

In Christ,
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midnightcry said:
I recently joined the SDA Church. I am learning alot and spend alot of time reading and studying the Bible.

It seems to me the SDA Church has alot of truth. They follow the Bible closer than any other denomination. They present scripture in a way that is clear and easy to understand.

My question is: Why is it that more people do not see these truths? (Such as the Sabbath, soul sleep, The Law of God being eternal, to name a few.) Is it because people do not study the Bible for themselves? Is it because many Christians are deceived? Is it because people are stubborn and do not want to change? Is the church asleep?

I do not understand why more people are not part of the SDA Church.

In Christ,
midnightcry

Excellenyquestion and if we had the answer I am sure many more people would join the SDA Church.

But I will give my thoughts on this.

Perhaps in some cases the Holy Spirit has not convicted those people that we study with.

Then are we as a Church ready for them?

I do not know.
 
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Cliff2,

Thank you for your input.

Now can I ask you another question. Do you believe we will see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which will lead people to our denomination seeking answers?

This is what happened to me. I was seeking more truth, more understanding of scripture. I prayed for wisdom and understanding. I left the Lutheran Church for a year --I didn't like what they were teaching at my church. I did alot of studying on my own. I was led to this little SDA Church in our area. I feel like my eyes have been opened for the first time. And I am hoping this will also happen to others who are seeking answers.

In Christ,
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OOh brother answer this question. Can't we all no matter what spread the GOSPEL. Look at that parishe who went on to become the greatest advocate on Jesus's behalf. The sacrifice of the Apostle Paul who was a son of a head priest of the Sanhedren. (spelling) . He was a Jew (Priest Even) and HE learned very quick that this Jesus was the real deal. So if such a man can be cut down so must we out down our pride and spread the gospel wherever we go in any place we go . AMEN
 
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midnightcry said:
Cliff2,

Thank you for your input.

Now can I ask you another question. Do you believe we will see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which will lead people to our denomination seeking answers?

This is what happened to me. I was seeking more truth, more understanding of scripture. I prayed for wisdom and understanding. I left the Lutheran Church for a year --I didn't like what they were teaching at my church. I did alot of studying on my own. I was led to this little SDA Church in our area. I feel like my eyes have been opened for the first time. And I am hoping this will also happen to others who are seeking answers.

In Christ,
midnightcry

So far so good.

What has happened to you is just great.

But, I would have to assume that the Church you found was ready to receive new members.

Can you tell us what your new Church is like and how you are being treated.

I hope all is well.

Also are you being fed now by your SDA Church?

If you cannot answer yes to most of my questions then very quickly you need to find an Adventist Church where you will be nutured and looked after.

If not then I suggest you find out the best way to watch 3ABN in your area so you will grow.

It does not matter how long we have been in the SDA Church, we all need to be fed spiritually.
 
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Cliff2 said:
So far so good.

What has happened to you is just great.

But, I would have to assume that the Church you found was ready to receive new members.

Can you tell us what your new Church is like and how you are being treated.

I hope all is well.

Also are you being fed now by your SDA Church?

If you cannot answer yes to most of my questions then very quickly you need to find an Adventist Church where you will be nutured and looked after.

If not then I suggest you find out the best way to watch 3ABN in your area so you will grow.

It does not matter how long we have been in the SDA Church, we all need to be fed spiritually.
Now can I ask you another question. Do you believe we will see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which will lead people to our denomination seeking answers?

I would like to think it will happen although it will not take place until we are like the believers at Pentecost.

In one place and in one accord.
 
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Cliff2 said:
So far so good.

What has happened to you is just great.

But, I would have to assume that the Church you found was ready to receive new members.

Can you tell us what your new Church is like and how you are being treated.

I hope all is well.

Also are you being fed now by your SDA Church?

If you cannot answer yes to most of my questions then very quickly you need to find an Adventist Church where you will be nutured and looked after.

If not then I suggest you find out the best way to watch 3ABN in your area so you will grow.

It does not matter how long we have been in the SDA Church, we all need to be fed spiritually.

Hi Cliff2,

Oh, what is my church like? First of all, it is very small. Only about twenty members that are active. Of course, we live in a small town and many people have moved away. Everyone there is like family. They have been very helpful to me. Have given me books, videos, and answer any questions I may have. If I miss church, for any reason, someone is calling me to check on me; making sure I will attend the following week. Everyone is very friendly. They have also asked me to be superintendent once a month for Sabbath School. Imagine that, me, and I have only been there 10 mos.!

I wish we had a larger group that attended and I am hoping the church will grow in the near future.

I also subscribe to Sky Angel, so I have access to 3ABN 24/7. I watch many of their programs and speakers. I am learning much, but I wish I could learn more, faster.
I feel that those who have been raised SDA have a great advantage over me. I am trying so hard to catch up. I am jealous of their knowledge of scripture.

Were you raised in the SDA Church? Do you understand how I feel? Do you have any tips on studying the Bible?

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Cliff2,

This is a little off subject, but I am very excited!

I forgot to tell you. We had a small amt. of rain here this morning. The sky is very cloudy and grey, more rain on the way I hope.

:clap:

How about down where you are? Maybe this will be the day! I'll be praying for your neck of the woods, too.

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midnightcry said:
Hi Cliff2,

Oh, what is my church like? First of all, it is very small. Only about twenty members that are active. Of course, we live in a small town and many people have moved away. Everyone there is like family. They have been very helpful to me. Have given me books, videos, and answer any questions I may have. If I miss church, for any reason, someone is calling me to check on me; making sure I will attend the following week. Everyone is very friendly. They have also asked me to be superintendent once a month for Sabbath School. Imagine that, me, and I have only been there 10 mos.!

I wish we had a larger group that attended and I am hoping the church will grow in the near future.

I also subscribe to Sky Angel, so I have access to 3ABN 24/7. I watch many of their programs and speakers. I am learning much, but I wish I could learn more, faster.
I feel that those who have been raised SDA have a great advantage over me. I am trying so hard to catch up. I am jealous of their knowledge of scripture.

Were you raised in the SDA Church? Do you understand how I feel? Do you have any tips on studying the Bible?

midnightcry

I can relate to small churches as i go to a small church and it was here that I actually started to grow as a Christian. You get asked to do things. It was here that I first took the Sabbath School Lesson, preached my first sermon, became an Elder. Good things can happen in small churches.

Glad to hear that your Church is helping you.

I was raised an SDA and am very thankfull for that. Although like many I did leave but am back now and have been for the last 15 years.

Blessings.
 
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midnightcry said:
Cliff2,

This is a little off subject, but I am very excited!

I forgot to tell you. We had a small amt. of rain here this morning. The sky is very cloudy and grey, more rain on the way I hope.

:clap:

How about down where you are? Maybe this will be the day! I'll be praying for your neck of the woods, too.

midnightcry

The outlook for rain here now is not very good at all.

The wet season is just about over.

Usually winters are dry here with most of our rain coming around Xmas.

But we will keep praying for rain here and at your place.

Blessings.
 
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I believe that the church is asleep, and the Time of the End is very near!
Our church does have truth and in the U.S.A. today, most people are content with their lives enough not to feel a need for it. There are some though, who do find the truth and are awesome servents for God!
Lets keep the work up for Him!
God bless, Rachel
 
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I recently joined the SDA Church. I am learning alot and spend alot of time reading and studying the Bible.

It seems to me the SDA Church has alot of truth. They follow the Bible closer than any other denomination. They present scripture in a way that is clear and easy to understand.

My question is: Why is it that more people do not see these truths? (Such as the Sabbath, soul sleep, The Law of God being eternal, to name a few.) Is it because people do not study the Bible for themselves? Is it because many Christians are deceived? Is it because people are stubborn and do not want to change? Is the church asleep?

I do not understand why more people are not part of the SDA Church.

In Christ,
midnightcry
I am a former SDA and recommend you go to sdaoutreach.org to find out why more people aren't SDA. I would have made a link but you need 15 post's before you can create one.

I'm curious though, which teachings of the Lutheran church did you find incorrect?

Peace
 
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2cents said:
I am a former SDA and recommend you go to sdaoutreach.org to find out why more people aren't SDA. I would have made a link but you need 15 post's before you can create one.

I'm curious though, which teachings of the Lutheran church did you find incorrect?

Peace

Interesting, would you mind telling me what you are now?

Also what made you change churches?

Blessings
 
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2cents said:
I am a former SDA and recommend you go to sdaoutreach.org to find out why more people aren't SDA. I would have made a link but you need 15 post's before you can create one.

I'm curious though, which teachings of the Lutheran church did you find incorrect?

Peace

I do think that SDA church has some errors but they have alot of truths and more so than most christian denomination.For example:

Soulsleep
Rapture and not that secret rapture
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midnightcry said:
I recently joined the SDA Church. I am learning alot and spend alot of time reading and studying the Bible.
That is very good, just make sure that you guide yourself by what the bible says and not what some bible commentators say the bible says..

It seems to me the SDA Church has alot of truth. They follow the Bible closer than any other denomination. They present scripture in a way that is clear and easy to understand.
I Yeshua My Salvation > disagree that they follow the bible closer then other denominations.. S.D.A.S in general do have alot of truths like the Sabbath, death is a state of unconciousness, they don't believe in the unscripturally supported doctrine of the rapture ect. ect. But where most S.D.A.S fall short of the Gospel is that "they believe in righteousness by works." Rarely do they admit this, but that is exactly what all Traditional Adventist believe except for the once that are more liberal "and this is taking place inside of the S.D.A church... Alot of S.D.A.S have excepted the gospel as taught in the bible by grace through faith in Yeshua alone...

If you don't believe most Adventist believe in righteousness by good deeds heres proof from Ellen White own writings:

Ellen White Bible Echo, 1897 - 02 - 08.
Ellen White review ands Herald, 1890 - 06 - 17
Ellen Whites Kress Collectgion, pg 120

Ellen Whites words: Those who are teaching the doctrine of [grace] today have much to say in regard to faith and righteousness of Christ; but they pervert the truth, and make it serve the cause of error. They declare that we have only to believe on Jesus Christ, and that faith is all sufficient: That the righteousness of Christ is to be the sinners credentials; That this imputed righteousness fulfils the whole law for us, and that we are under no obligation to obey the law of God. This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that he has saved them. "I am saved they wil repeat over and over again. But are they really saved while trangressing the law of Jehovah? ---- No; For the garments of Christ's righteousness are not a cloak for iniquity. Such teaching is a gross deception, and Christ becomes to these persons a stumbling block as he did to the Jews.---To the Jews, because they would not recieve him as there personal Saviour, to these professed believers in Christ, because they seperate Christ and the law, and regard faith as a substitute for obedience. They seperate the father and the son, the Saviour of the world. Virtually they teach both by precept and example, that Christ, by his death, saves men in there transgressions.

We Should never rest in a satisfied condtion and cease to make advancement, saying "I am saved." When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayer, for ernest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No Santified tongue will ever be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as men is full of weakeness,---for himself he cannot save his soul,---he should never dare say, "I am saved." It's not he that putteth on the armor that can boast of victory; for he has the battle to fight and victory to win. It is he that endureth unto the end that shall be saved. The Lord says, "If any men draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. "If we do not go forward from victory to victory, the soul will draw back to perdition. We should raise no human standard whereby to measure character. God's holy law is the only thing by which we can determine whether we are`keeping his way or not. If we are disobidient then our Charater s are out of harmony with God's rule of government, and it is stating a falsehood to say, "I am saved." No one is saved who is a transgressor of nthe law of God, which is the foundation of his government in heaven and in earth. No man can say, i am saved until he has endured test and trail, until he has shown that he can overcome temptation. Those who fail to do the work which God has said should be done soon lose the right perception of spiritual things, and become blinded as to character of truth. They are unifitted to do the work which would make them complete in Christ.




My question is: Why is it that more people do not see these truths? (Such as the Sabbath, soul sleep, The Law of God being eternal, to name a few.) Is it because people do not study the Bible for themselves? Is it because many Christians are deceived? Is it because people are stubborn and do not want to change? Is the church asleep?
Yeshua My Salvation > They are indoctrinated to believe what there church or denomination has taught them, just like most Adventist when Traditional Adventism is challanged in the light of scripture, they rather hold on to there traditions rather then SOLA SCRIPTURA.

I do not understand why more people are not part of the SDA Church.
Yeshua My Salvation > All churches have there problems Midnight CRY, the Adventist church has many doctrinal problems, there is no such thing as a perfect church..If our salvation depended upon what church we attend then i dare say that very few believers are`saved.

In Christ,
midnightcry
In Christ,
Yeshua My Salvation.
 
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2cents said:
I am a former SDA and recommend you go to sdaoutreach.org to find out why more people aren't SDA. I would have made a link but you need 15 post's before you can create one.

I'm curious though, which teachings of the Lutheran church did you find incorrect?

Peace

2cents,

The Lutheran Church that I attended taught that the soul is immortal, that the Ten Commandments have been nailed to the cross and we no longer need them. (This is exactly what my minister told me, "We no longer need the Ten Commandments.") They taught the pre-trib. rapture, the Sabbath day is not important--is has been replaced by Sunday worship. Also, the Lutheran Church that I attended recently voted on whether or not to ordain gay ministers. This should not even be an issue, as far as I am concerned.

So, I decided to seek a new church home. I prayed about it alot and studied the Bible for myself. I ended up at a SDA Church, which I am convinced is closer to scripture than the Lutheran Church.

In Christ,
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YeshuamySalvation said:
That is very good, just make sure that you guide yourself by what the bible says and not what some bible commentators say the bible says..

I Yeshua My Salvation > disagree that they follow the bible closer then other denominations.. S.D.A.S in general do have alot of truths like the Sabbath, death is a state of unconciousness, they don't believe in the unscripturally supported doctrine of the rapture ect. ect. But where most S.D.A.S fall short of the Gospel is that "they believe in righteousness by works." Rarely do they admit this, but that is exactly what all Traditional Adventist believe except for the once that are more liberal "and this is taking place inside of the S.D.A church... Alot of S.D.A.S have excepted the gospel as taught in the bible by grace through faith in Yeshua alone...

If you don't believe most Adventist believe in righteousness by good deeds heres proof from Ellen White own writings:

Ellen White Bible Echo, 1897 - 02 - 08.
Ellen White review ands Herald, 1890 - 06 - 17
Ellen Whites Kress Collectgion, pg 120

Ellen Whites words: Those who are teaching the doctrine of [grace] today have much to say in regard to faith and righteousness of Christ; but they pervert the truth, and make it serve the cause of error. They declare that we have only to believe on Jesus Christ, and that faith is all sufficient: That the righteousness of Christ is to be the sinners credentials; That this imputed righteousness fulfils the whole law for us, and that we are under no obligation to obey the law of God. This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that he has saved them. "I am saved they wil repeat over and over again. But are they really saved while trangressing the law of Jehovah? ---- No; For the garments of Christ's righteousness are not a cloak for iniquity. Such teaching is a gross deception, and Christ becomes to these persons a stumbling block as he did to the Jews.---To the Jews, because they would not recieve him as there personal Saviour, to these professed believers in Christ, because they seperate Christ and the law, and regard faith as a substitute for obedience. They seperate the father and the son, the Saviour of the world. Virtually they teach both by precept and example, that Christ, by his death, saves men in there transgressions.

We Should never rest in a satisfied condtion and cease to make advancement, saying "I am saved." When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayer, for ernest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No Santified tongue will ever be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as men is full of weakeness,---for himself he cannot save his soul,---he should never dare say, "I am saved." It's not he that putteth on the armor that can boast of victory; for he has the battle to fight and victory to win. It is he that endureth unto the end that shall be saved. The Lord says, "If any men draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. "If we do not go forward from victory to victory, the soul will draw back to perdition. We should raise no human standard whereby to measure character. God's holy law is the only thing by which we can determine whether we are`keeping his way or not. If we are disobidient then our Charater s are out of harmony with God's rule of government, and it is stating a falsehood to say, "I am saved." No one is saved who is a transgressor of nthe law of God, which is the foundation of his government in heaven and in earth. No man can say, i am saved until he has endured test and trail, until he has shown that he can overcome temptation. Those who fail to do the work which God has said should be done soon lose the right perception of spiritual things, and become blinded as to character of truth. They are unifitted to do the work which would make them complete in Christ.




Yeshua My Salvation > They are indoctrinated to believe what there church or denomination has taught them, just like most Adventist when Traditional Adventism is challanged in the light of scripture, they rather hold on to there traditions rather then SOLA SCRIPTURA.

Yeshua My Salvation > All churches have there problems Midnight CRY, the Adventist church has many doctrinal problems, there is no such thing as a perfect church..If our salvation depended upon what church we attend then i dare say that very few believers are`saved.

In Christ,
Yeshua My Salvation.

Greetings Yeshua My Salvation,

Excellent post.

The church I attend stresses that the Law does not save us. Neither can we say, "I am saved" and then ignore the Law of God. There has to be a balance, law and grace interrelate to each other.

Paul wrote that one of the most important things for us to do is "the keeping of the commandments of God" (1Corinthians 7:19); but God also understood our propensity to fall short, so He made His forgiving grace available to any of those who wish to admit their sins and ask forgiveness -- "If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." (IJohn 2:3)

So we are both under God's Law and "covered" by His grace. When we are "under grace" it is like being under a protective umbrella so we are no longer "under the penalty of the law." The law deos not vanish just becuse you're under grace -- God's law is always there.

In Christ,
midnightcry
 
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Greetings Yeshua My Salvation,

Excellent post.

The church I attend stresses that the Law does not save us. Neither can we say, "I am saved" and then ignore the Law of God. There has to be a balance, law and grace interrelate to each other.

Paul wrote that one of the most important things for us to do is "the keeping of the commandments of God" (1Corinthians 7:19); but God also understood our propensity to fall short, so He made His forgiving grace available to any of those who wish to admit their sins and ask forgiveness -- "If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." (IJohn 2:3)

So we are both under God's Law and "covered" by His grace. When we are "under grace" it is like being under a protective umbrella so we are no longer "under the penalty of the law." The law deos not vanish just becuse you're under grace -- God's law is always there.

In Christ,
midnightcry

Hey midnightcry, first of all, i'm also excited for you that you are excited..LOL. It's usually when one starts to see new light that one gets excited. The challenge or the sad thing is that many do not continue to receive new light. They either stop studying the bible or stop attending church and this is sad. I'm glad you're part of a church who is caring to you and more importantly, one whose people have balanced ideas. It's to strive for balance that is the key to scriptural understanding and christian lifestyle. I'm sure you'll understand what i mean better as you go along..:)

As for the question about why ppl are not attracted to the adventist faith. I don't know because i'm not them. I was born in an Adventist family and chose Adventism as i grew up. You were a lutheran and i'm sure you have more valid reasons than me to the answer of why ppl do not become Adventists.

Keep your mind open to new truth, be like the Bereans(Acts 17:11) who received hte word with all readiness of mind and searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so.

BTW, i just had a mini study on Moses and his experience with the water from the rock. Look at Exo 17:5,6 and Numbers 20:8 and try to reconcile the two..hehhe..and yes, it can be reconciled..:)
 
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Midnightcry glad you found a church where you are happy. Why are not more people Adventists? There are probably as many reasons as there are Adventists on the planet- lol Perhaps the best angle to go for is the one you took, encourage people to get to know God and and learn to develop a relationship with Him. We should stress less on making people Adventists and more on people being Christians - Christlike. After all entry into heaven is not dependant on where ones membership is. You notice the Apostle Paul went to the Gentiles not to make them carbon copy Jews (though some in the church tried that tactic) but to show them Jesus. Its all about Him!
 
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