Question Concerning Wof

[churchlady]

I asked this on the Wof sub-forum, so I think I'll ask it here, as well.

What do you think causes some people to gravitate to the Wof message and stay with it long term, while others reject it right off the bat, and continue to dislike it?

In other words, what marks the typical Wof adherent? (I'm not talking about those who are on the radical lunatic fringes, but the long-term average Wof believer who practices what they believe.)

I edit this to say that for some of you who have been on this forum for several years, you have had daily contact with Wof adherents on here for that long. So do you see any common denominator in our characteristics?

 

[GodsChild07]

I asked this on the Wof sub-forum, so I think I'll ask it here, as well.

What do you think causes some people to gravitate to the Wof message and stay with it long term, while others reject it right off the bat, and continue to dislike it?

Those who gravitate to it do it either out of hope, or a true knowledge of Gods nature. Those who reject it do so because of a belief that if God wanted to bless anybody with health and prosperity, he would have surely blessed them. And since he hasn't, it must be a false belief

In other words, what marks the typical Wof adherent? (I'm not talking about those who are on the radical lunatic fringes, but the long-term average Wof believer who practices what they believe.)

I edit this to say that for some of you who have been on this forum for several years, you have had daily contact with Wof adherents on here for that long. So do you see any common denominator in our characteristics?

Very good question!

 

[RevKidd]

I think it's because there are the naive and then those that understand that true faith reaps the spiritual rewards which is ours in Heaven with our Lord Jesus Christ, which are the only true promises by God.

Funny how this true knowledge has only been around for the last maybe 200 years... All the other great thinkers, theologians, preachers and teachers of the past didn't have a clue...

That's all I am going to say...

 

[BenAdam]

I think you forgot the middle ground, where people were involved for a significant period of time then got out of it.

 

[Waddell]

I asked this on the Wof sub-forum, so I think I'll ask it here, as well.

What do you think causes some people to gravitate to the Wof message and stay with it long term, while others reject it right off the bat, and continue to dislike it?

In other words, what marks the typical Wof adherent? (I'm not talking about those who are on the radical lunatic fringes, but the long-term average Wof believer who practices what they believe.)

I edit this to say that for some of you who have been on this forum for several years, you have had daily contact with Wof adherents on here for that long. So do you see any common denominator in our characteristics?

I think that like any other move of God, there were "bandwagoners" that ended up bringing disrepute to a genuine move of God, and unfortunately, the more carnal and worldly elements of the Body of Christ have siezed upon that to denounce what they did not want God to do.

 

[ShammahBenJudah]

What do you think causes some people to gravitate to the Wof message and stay with it long term, while others reject it right off the bat, and continue to dislike it?

In other words, what marks the typical Wof adherent?

I know this probably isn't the answer you're looking for. But here goes...

They stay or leave because they either believe it or they don't.

Proponents say its because their doctrines are truth and their faith is growing.

Antagonists say they're just getting their ears tickled and their faith is misguided.

 

[Telestar]

I think it's because there are the naive and then those that understand that true faith reaps the spiritual rewards which is ours in Heaven with our Lord Jesus Christ, which are the only true promises by God.

Funny how this true knowledge has only been around for the last maybe 200 years... All the other great thinkers, theologians, preachers and teachers of the past didn't have a clue...

That's all I am going to say...

People have known about the goodness of God, the power of prayer, and the benefits of righteousness since Abraham. This has been no secret. It is only the current faithless generation that now questions these things. The effects of mere theism into Christian Theology has caused people to question the goodness of God, the effectiveness and scope of the gospel, and even trod under foot the body of our Lord.
This is what has changed in the last 200 years. The church has abandoned faith and the Jesus image of the Father. They now worship something that more resembles Zeus and Jupiter than the Father and Jesus.

 

[Waddell]

People have known about the goodness of God, the power of prayer, and the benefits of righteousness since Abraham. This has been no secret. It is only the current faithless generation that now questions these things. The effects of mere theism into Christian Theology has caused people to question the goodness of God, the effectiveness and scope of the gospel, and even trod under foot the body of our Lord.
This is what has changed in the last 200 years. The church has abandoned faith and the Jesus image of the Father. They now worship something that more resembles Zeus and Jupiter than the Father and Jesus.

Amen.

 

[zaksmummy]

I rejected WoF outright, it has no basis on what I was taught to believe about our Father God.

Maybe I have only got the hype, but here's what I understand, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

WOF - if you give money to God he will repay you with more money, God being a good father and giving good gifts to his children - in my experience, God provides as he chooses, that's why there are very poor christians in the world who live hand to mouth, yet are faithful and obedient to God.

WOF - God wants to heal, if you accept it - accepting your healing doesn't make it real, when God chooses to heal it is instant, it isn't like taking your car to the garage and having it serviced while-you-wait. Often God chooses not to heal.


One person on this forum wrote "God is not a child-abuser". It took me a long time to understand what they were on about. My understanding of this phrase is that God doesn't hold things back from his children, but constantly blesses them.

Whilst I agree with this, I don't not believe that God is a sugar daddy either ie he doesn't always give us everything we want, which is what I see as the main doctrine of WOF teaching. God requires obedience and discipline from his children also, something I sometimes think is sadly lacking in WOF teaching.

Maybe my disdain as has to do with the appearance of constantly running after the supernatural, something that is a problematic in all charasmatic circles, not just WOF. I was brought up Brethern, who are staunchly opposed to anything related to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. They do not seek "thrills" which is sometimes what I see, running after people who have "gifts" but often don't seem to have any fruit of the Spirit ie joy, peace and most importantly love.

The verse that comes to mind is "blessed are those who haven't seen and yet believe".

Like I said if I'm wrong about WOF please let me know, and I will stand corrected, up until that happens I cannot accept much of what it taught

Catrin xx

 

[Waddell]

God most definately is a "sugar Daddy".

 

[churchlady]

Remember, this is not about whether Wof is right or wrong, but is a question of what common traits you see in people that adhere to Wof?

 

[Waddell]

Remember, this is not about whether Wof is right or wrong, but is a question of what common traits you see in people that adhere to Wof?

Sorry.

 

[Telestar]

God most definately is a "sugar Daddy".

HE is MUCH MUCH better than any "sugar daddy," "Santa Claus," or "Vending Machine" man has ever invented.
It is sad that people reduce and dismiss the goodness and love of God to such vulgar comparisons.
My God is an awsome God, who can and will do more than we can concieve or even imagine. If you have reduced your image of God to something that is less than a vending machine... then I am sorry for you.

 

[Telestar]

Remember, this is not about whether Wof is right or wrong, but is a question of what common traits you see in people that adhere to Wof?

1. WOFers take a statement like "ask believing and you shall receive" as an answer and not something to be questioned. It IS the stated will of God that answers the question "Is God willing?"
It cannot be stated and then questioned. It is the stated will of God for anyone who believes.
2. WOF does not see faith as a mental construction or decision. You cannot and do not "decide" you want something and then upon the weight of that "decision" claim yor are "believing." Belief does not come by "choosing" or "deciding" or "assenting" to a thing.
3. WoF does not discover the "will of God" by the answer to prayers. They do not ask to be healed and when it does not happen decide it must not be the will of God. They assume it is the will of God based on the word of God, and then continue to stand on the word of God regardless of what happens. They do not call God a liar based on fruitless prayers. God it true... every man a liar.
4. In like manner, WoF does not define the will and nature of GOd based on the results of doubt filled, unbelieving prayers. God is good regardless of what happens when you pray. God is loving and does not seek your hurt. God wants you saved in every way that you can be saved. He is also powerful and wise enough to accomplish that goal without putting His children through a meat grinder.
5. Those who come to Wof and are obessed with "things" invariabely fail and so leave disgruntled. They missed the whole point and did not seek first the kingdom. If all you want is "things" then forget about WoF. Get a better paying job. I can always tell those who claim "to have been in WoF" and then "come out" because they are ignorant of 99% of what WoF actually teaches.
Litmus test?
If you cannot explain what being "in Christ" means... it is very unlikely you are or have ever been WoF. It is the core teaching of all WoF. Prospery, and even healing are way down the list of important teachings in WoF. It is the anti-faith bunch that obsesses with these... not WoF.

 

[importunity]

Question Concerning Wof


"I asked this on the Wof sub-forum, so I think I'll ask it here, as well.

What do you think causes some people to gravitate to the Wof message and stay with it long term, while others reject it right off the bat, and continue to dislike it?

In other words, what marks the typical Wof adherent? (I'm not talking about those who are on the radical lunatic fringes, but the long-term average Wof believer who practices what they believe.)"


I believe it is deception, we are so busy trying to prove who has all the truth when we miss the point. If you have Jesus you have it all!

Who cares if I believe it is Gods will to heal all and that’s what I see when I read the Word of God.
Who cares that I believe God wants all His children prosperous.
Who cares that I believe in the Baptism in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Christians are funny people:
If we can’t fight about the denomination or nondenomination,
We will fight about race,
Or we will fight about the choice of music,
Or we will fight about the color of the carpet in of the church.

The point is we are being deceived by the deceiver.
Taking it out on one another.
And not going out into the world and leading people to Christ.

I know we say that all the time.

But ask yourself HOW many people have you (personally) given them the message and they reached a decision:
This week,
This month,
This year,
In your life.

And I am not asking you to post and say I won one million people to Christ just yesterday.
Everyone here knows your lying because you were on the forum for 19 hours debating the theory of relativity with Albert Einstein.

We are being deceived that is what I believe to be the real problem.

The deception brings division.
If not WOF, the AOG or ABC or UPS just fill in the blank.

 

[Waddell]

Regrettably, though Telestar understands, most of the WoF does not. "In Christ" does not mean that you have chanted the magic words. It does not mean that you have found certain phrases that must produce large bank accounts. What WoF means is that you have "heard" the words of faith that then, (of themselves) produce an assurance of God's faithfulness, goodness, and provision. (Whatever that provision entails)

In Christ is "In Christ".

 

[c1ners]

I've found that most of the woffers have very loving, kind hearts and They seem to guniunely care about others.

They also believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins and salvation. I refuse to judge anyone on anything else.

 

[importunity]

I've found that most of the woffers have very loving, kind hearts and They seem to guniunely care about others.

They also believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins and salvation. I refuse to judge anyone on anything else.

I have found that to be true with any and all true believers, no matter where they hang their hat.

The sign on the door is either going to blow off going up or burn off going down that choice is made individually..

 

[jeolmstead]

I believe that WoF’ers believe what they do for several reasons.

• They have been taught this doctrine and theology by people they know, love and respect.

• They see support for it in the scripture.

• They see evidence that it works in their own lives and the lives of others.

Personally, I think God shows up and moves in spite of our doctrines. (not so much because of them) I do not agree with the WoF doctrines but I understand why some people I truly respect do.

John O.

 

[importunity]

I believe that WoF’ers believe what they do for several reasons.

• They have been taught this doctrine and theology by people they know, love and respect.

• They see it support for it in the scripture.

• They see evidence that it works in their own lives and the lives of others.

Personally, I think God shows up and moves in spite of our doctrines. (not so much because of them) I do not agree with the WoF doctrines but I understand why some people I truly respect do.

John O.

You are the man or should I say I hear THE MAN in your words