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Says so in Heb 2:9. Were you not aware of that? Were you not aware that only now does He sit at the right hand of God, His Father, in 3rd heaven from whence He will come to judge the quick and the dead? You recite this every week, don't you?Sooooo, Christ was disrobed of His deity? Wowzers!!!
If the Word was made flesh, then indeed Christ created all things like Jn 1 says. I think you need to study Jn 1:1 more closely the Word was with God is the Son the Word was God is the Spirit in Him and in the Son.John 1 speaks of the Spirit. The Spirit was made flesh...that is Christ.
Says so in Heb 2:9. Were you not aware of that? Were you not aware that only now does He sit at the right hand of God, His Father, in 3rd heaven from whence He will come to judge the quick and the dead? You recite this every week, don't you?
skypair
You intended to be wrong? Quite clearly, John 1:1 was the Word was God, and John 1.:14 says it is Jesus who became flesh. And this ...How so? I intended to say just that actually.
... is a wrong interpretation. The Spirit gives the power to speak the word. He is not the word Himself.The Spirit is the Word of God, for it entered the prophets and enabled them to speak His Word.
Tell me, if Jesus is the Word (and He is) how could He enter Himself? He didn't.Think back to when Jesus was baptized...what entered Him?
Also, think about what you're suggesting: that flesh (Jesus) became flesh?[/qote]No, that's not what I'm suggesting at all. Obviously, Jesus was with God, and was/is God. So is the Spirit. But the Spirit is never, ever called "The Word." Only Jesus is. Ephesians 1:13, 14 very clearly keeps them separate. Sorry. Your contention is incorrect.
You intended to be wrong? Quite clearly, John 1:1 was the Word was God, and John 1.:14 says it is Jesus who became flesh. And this ... ... is a wrong interpretation. The Spirit gives the power to speak the word. He is not the word Himself.Tell me, if Jesus is the Word (and He is) how could He enter Himself? He didn't. Also, think about what you're suggesting: that flesh (Jesus) became flesh?[/qote]No, that's not what I'm suggesting at all. Obviously, Jesus was with God, and was/is God. So is the Spirit. But the Spirit is never, ever called "The Word." Only Jesus is. Ephesians 1:13, 14 very clearly keeps them separate. Sorry. Your contention is incorrect.
I'll dispense with reposting the verse. The NASB also translated as "message" the Greek word logos, which is what the original passage says. I'm certain you know how logos is typically translated. In John 1:1, when Jesus is identified as the Word, it is translated from the Greek logos.Where? Not sure how Eph. helps your argument.
Ephesians 1:13-14New International Version (NIV)
I would suggest you begin reconsidering your stance. You are reading something into Scripture that is not there.I'll stand by my convictions until you can refute them.
Utterly irrelevant. Both pre-incarnately and in the flesh during His Earthly ministry, He it the Word. Flesh does not define that status for Him. However, since you asked, He ascended in the flesh. He was standing before His disciples, teaching until the very end, when they saw Him taken up into the clouds. He obviously does not retain any of that fleshly identity in heaven now, but even so, by virtue of having once been human, forever retains the description of human even though He possesses, at this time, no human qualities.Let me ask you, when Christ ascended, did He ascend in flesh and blood? And before Christ was born, was He flesh and blood then as well?
Think about this: Did He not have to lose His deity in order to become "sin for us who knew no sin?" You are correct right up to the point where He was forsaken of the Father, giving up His Spirit/deity so that He could die in our place.Christ was made lower due to the fact He was going to die. He never lost one iota of His diety. He had the power to heal, to raise the dead, to forgive sins. He knew Lazarus was dead, two days journey away from Him. He knew Nathaniel was under the fig tree. He knew Judas was coming before he entered Gethsamane.
Christ never "emptied Himself"....
Not to get into an argument but .. Jn 1 the Word is the Spirit is ChristHow can the "word" come through the Spirit and be the Spirit at the same time? Particularly when John identifies the Word as God (Jesus)?Ephesians 6Here Paul identifies the "sword of the Spirit" as the word of God. The Spirit is not the "sword." The Spirit bring the sword.
And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God ...
Well, let's have it from your pov. Maybe we will be blessed as you apparently are.Skypair ...
The quote function is doing that funky thing it does on my computer every now and then by not quoting your post. But you asked me "Do you see it?"
No. Because it is not there. You and 98 are both in error. Sorry.
I'll dispense with reposting the verse. The NASB also translated as "message" the Greek word logos, which is what the original passage says. I'm certain you know how logos is typically translated. In John 1:1, when Jesus is identified as the Word, it is translated from the Greek logos.
Further evidence:1 Corinthians 12, NASBNotice the word (logos) comes through the Spirit. How can the "word" come through the Spirit and be the Spirit at the same time? Particularly when John identifies the Word as God (Jesus)?
8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;Ephesians 6Here Paul identifies the "sword of the Spirit" as the word of God. The Spirit is not the "sword." The Spirit bring the sword.I would suggest you begin reconsidering your stance. You are reading something into Scripture that is not there.Utterly irrelevant. Both pre-incarnately and in the flesh during His Earthly ministry, He it the Word. Flesh does not define that status for Him. However, since you asked, He ascended in the flesh. He was standing before His disciples, teaching until the very end, when they saw Him taken up into the clouds. He obviously does not retain any of that fleshly identity in heaven now, but even so, by virtue of having once been human, forever retains the description of human even though He possesses, at this time, no human qualities.
And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God ...
You have not allowed the text to speak through a plain reading of the text. We can't have an amicable discussion when you do this.
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