Question about the Virgin being sinless

[Not David]

Some Catholic friends from my college were asking about the Orthodox opinion of the Immaculate Conception and one said:
"It just seems unfitting to me that Jesus could be in a womb of a woman tainted by sin. Do y’all see her as a fulfillment of the ark of the covenant?"

What should I say?

 

[HTacianas]

Some Catholic friends from my college were asking about the Orthodox opinion of the Immaculate Conception and one said:
"It just seems unfitting to me that Jesus could be in a womb of a woman tainted by sin. Do y’all see her as a fulfillment of the ark of the covenant?"

What should I say?

You should say "is it an article of the Christian faith"?

And then ask them if it is worth squabbling over if it might lead to the eternal damnation of someone observing the conversation.

 

[ArmyMatt]

you can ask if she isn't tainted by sin, why did she die?

 

[Not David]

You should say "is it an article of the Christian faith"?

And then ask them if it is worth squabbling over if it might lead to the eternal damnation of someone observing the conversation.

Isn't the Immaculate Conception a dogma for the Roman Catholics?

 

[Not David]

you can ask if she isn't tainted by sin, why did she die?

I will but what should I answer for the first question?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

nvm....

 

[HTacianas]

Isn't the Immaculate Conception a dogma for the Roman Catholics?

It is for the Romans in the West but not for the East. It is a dogma of the Roman Church coming about after the Schism. It has never been resolved by an Ecumenical Council.

 

[Radagast]

you can ask if she isn't tainted by sin, why did she die?

If they're Catholic, many of them don't believe that she did.

Did the Virgin Mary die? - Catholic Digest

Library : Mary's Death and Bodily Assumption

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

.... sigh... forgot what section this was in....

 

[buzuxi02]

Some Catholic friends from my college were asking about the Orthodox opinion of the Immaculate Conception and one said:
"It just seems unfitting to me that Jesus could be in a womb of a woman tainted by sin. Do y’all see her as a fulfillment of the ark of the covenant?"

What should I say?

That's just a portion of the IC Latin dogma. The Dogma claims she was completely free of ancestral (and the possibility of personal sin) by the excess merits of Jesus on the cross. That is the atonement worked backwards in time to reverse Eve's curse at moment of conception.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I will but what should I answer for the first question?

of course we see her as the New Ark

 

[ArmyMatt]

If they're Catholic, many of them don't believe that she did.

Did the Virgin Mary die? - Catholic Digest

Library : Mary's Death and Bodily Assumption

I know, but some don't. so if he thinks she didn't die, I would ask why then do we have her tomb?

 

[nicholas123]

That the purpose of the immaculate conception is to maculate conception.

 

[Not David]

of course we see her as the New Ark

She did have ancestral (original) sin though. That's why they can't understand she being the Ark.

 

[nicholas123]

She did have ancestral (original) sin though. That's why they can't understand she being the Ark.

How could she be the ark if she were severed from Adam? Already ignoring the fact that the entire old covenant was to bring forth the virgin, and that such folly would make it useless history, including the pre-figurement of the ark. It is he who does not see her as fulfilling the ark.

 

[ArmyMatt]

She did have ancestral (original) sin though. That's why they can't understand she being the Ark.

the Ark was still fashioned from wood and gold affected by the Fall

 

[Tolworth John]

you can ask if she isn't tainted by sin, why did she die?

To which they will reply, 'She didn't', roaming catholics belive in the assumption of the virgin Mary, that she didn't die but was taken up into heaven.

A better, in my biased opinion, is to point ou that not only was Jesus born by a sinner but he lived among them, washed, ate, played, worked with them.
There was nothinh holy or sacred about the peasent lifestyle he lived.

 

[ArmyMatt]

To which they will reply, 'She didn't', roaming catholics belive in the assumption of the virgin Mary, that she didn't die but was taken up into heaven.

again, then I would ask why do we have her tomb?

A better, in my biased opinion, is to point ou that not only was Jesus born by a sinner but he lived among them, washed, ate, played, worked with them.
There was nothinh holy or sacred about the peasent lifestyle he lived.

except that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. that has nothing to do with why we reject the IC.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Likewise (tangent?) permit: I have heard/ read/ that according to all that is known , in the Bible,

Joseph, with the coat of many colors, did not sin. Is that true or not ?

 

[Tolworth John]

again, then I would ask why do we have her tomb?



except that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. that has nothing to do with why we reject the IC.

Do we have her tomb. I've learnt something here.