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Ok, so in this post im going to pretend I think Christianity is fact.

Say I died and hadn't accepted Christ into my heart. I always wondered if he was the truth but never ended up believing it.

God sentences me to hell. What if there and then I begged like no-ones begged before for God not to send me. Do you think God might make decisions outside of what it says in the Bible?
 

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LyricalX said:
Ok, so in this post im going to pretend I think Christianity is fact.

Say I died and hadn't accepted Christ into my heart. I always wondered if he was the truth but never ended up believing it.

God sentences me to hell. What if there and then I begged like no-ones begged before for God not to send me. Do you think God might make decisions outside of what it says in the Bible?

This is a bit like saying that your doctor tells you that if you don't stop smoking, you're going to get cancer but you don't believe him and keep smoking.

Then, once you get cancer, you beg him not to give you cancer.

The two problems that your left with are that (a) you've already got cancer and (b) it was your choice to make those harmful decisions that led to you getting cancer.

In the same way, God has warned you that your sin will catch up to you unless you come to the cross to be made clean.

It is God who went through such heroic lengths to keep you out of Hell to begin with.

When you ignore Him and mock His word, you've made your choice.

You're also assuming that God sends people to Hell because He's mad at them and that you can get out of Hell by appealing to His sympathies.

That's not how the Bible tells us that it works.

Each one of us is seperated from God by sin. Until we're reconciled to God through Christ's atonement on the cross, we're lost and going to Hell (and deservedly so).

God has already shown mercy. Now that you've rejected that, it's time for justice to take over.
 
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LyricalX said:
But how am I suppose to read the Qur'an and the Bible and decide which one is the truth?

I have a Muslim saying "faith will show you which one"

I have a Christian saying "faith will show you which one"


Surely God can see i'm trying so hard, but as a mere human, I can't figure this all out.
Jesus said we can judge a tree by its fruit. If you want to know which is real, compare Jesus' actions to Mohommeds. As to your original question, read the parable of Lazarus.
 
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LyricalX said:
But how am I suppose to read the Qur'an and the Bible and decide which one is the truth?

I have a Muslim saying "faith will show you which one"

I have a Christian saying "faith will show you which one"


Surely God can see i'm trying so hard, but as a mere human, I can't figure this all out.

Again, it doesn't have anything to do with your trying or not trying.

If you're seperated from God and Christ's atonement is the only bridge between you and God, it doesn't matter how hard you try. If you reject Christ, then you've rejected the only available avenue of salvation.
 
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tel0004 said:
Jesus said we can judge a tree by its fruit. If you want to know which is real, compare Jesus' actions to Mohommeds. As to your original question, read the parable of Lazarus.


That doesn't help. Superman is better than SPiderman. Doesn't mean Superman was real just because he was better.


I'm not going to choose a religion over who has the better super-hero. I'm looking for the truth. Not a comfort blanket
 
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God sentences me to hell.
LX - you have the wrong idea bro.

God does not senence anyone to hell.
This is the "angry god theology" of the west.

Try this:
If you and a friend are on a boat. You know that he can not swim so you offer him a life vest. He declines. He then jumps overboard and starts drowning. You throw him a lifepreserver and tell him to grab it. He tells you that there is no such thing as a lifepreserver and then drowns.

Did you sentence him to death? Did you kill him? Was it your fault that he died?

Again....

You are a firefighter. You and your co-worker arrive at a fire. He left without his protective gear but you brought it for him. You tell him to put it on but instead he strips naked and runs into the fire.
Why did you sentence him to burn?
You didn't! HE did it himself!

At the end of the age, God will show forth his full glory. He will shine his light and love on everyone just as the rain falls on the righteous and the wicked. The problem is that without the protection of God's grace, his energy and love will be like a searing fire - a gehenna.
(Hebrews 12:29) For our God is a consuming fire.
God is a consuming fire. Those that have not thrown off the grace of Christ will not be protected.
What? Want that from an Old Testament source?
Ok.
(Deuteronomy 4:24) For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Think of it. Infinite energy. Energy = heat and light. Heat and light burn if you are not protected.

So, if you throw off the grace that is freely offered to all (life preserver, fire pretoection) and then die (run int othe fire naked) whose fault is it if you are then burned?

[SIZE=+1]“I say,” writes Saint Isaac the Syrian, “that those who are suffering in hell, are suffering in being scourged by love.... It is totally false to think that the sinners in hell are deprived of God’s love. Love is a child of the knowledge of truth, and is unquestionably given commonly to all. But love’s power acts in two ways: it torments sinners, while at the same time it delights those who have lived in accord with it”.[/SIZE]
(Proverbs 25:21) If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

(Proverbs 25:22) For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

God's love to one that hates him is like heaping coals of fire on their heads.

When man was created he was under grace. He could not be hurt. Fire could not burn him. When he willfully turned away from God he threw off that protection. He withdrew himself from the source of life and warmth.

If you have a lamp and you pull the plug out of the wall do you then complain that God has taken your light away?
If you have a plant and you put a black bag over it do you then complain that God has killed your plant?

NO!

When man pulled himself away from the source of life he began to die. He threw off grace and became subject to death, pain, fire.

The divine Logos - the word of God became human. In becoming human he started the process of restoration of mankind to his original purpose. In death he defeated death and in his resurrection he opened the gates of Sheol.

There is so much more to Christainity LX. Christainity is a deep and mystical religion. It is far more than anything I can tell you about.

PLEASE do not let some distorted view of hell keep you from accepting the grace of God.
God is good and in him there is no darkness at all.

If you want to learn more look HERE and HERE.
 
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If you are in Hell than you will be seperated from God. There probably wont be any begging.

Keep searching and putting the truths you learn from the bible into your daily life. God will reveal himself to you through prayer and applying His Word.
Islam is not a personal relationship with God.
But being a Christian is because of Jesus Christ and what He did because He loved the World.

Lyric also remember that Islam was made around 1,000 years after Christs death I believe. Someone can give you an exact date I'm sure.
God has always been around, Islam and Mohammed have not.
Christ was there for the beginning and He will be there for the end.
 
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eoe said:
LX - you have the wrong idea bro.



God is a consuming fire. Those that have not thrown off the grace of Christ will not be protected.
What? Want that from an Old Testament source?
Ok.


Think of it. Infinite energy. Energy = heat and light. Heat and light burn if you are not protected.

So, if you throw off the grace that is freely offered to all (life preserver, fire pretoection) and then die (run int othe fire naked) whose fault is it if you are then burned?




God's love to one that hates him is like heaping coals of fire on their heads.

When man was created he was under grace. He could not be hurt. Fire could not burn him. When he willfully turned away from God he threw off that protection. He withdrew himself from the source of life and warmth.

If you have a lamp and you pull the plug out of the wall do you then complain that God has taken your light away?
If you have a plant and you put a black bag over it do you then complain that God has killed your plant?

NO!

When man pulled himself away from the source of life he began to die. He threw off grace and became subject to death, pain, fire.

The divine Logos - the word of God became human. In becoming human he started the process of restoration of mankind to his original purpose. In death he defeated death and in his resurrection he opened the gates of Sheol.

There is so much more to Christainity LX. Christainity is a deep and mystical religion. It is far more than anything I can tell you about.

PLEASE do not let some distorted view of hell keep you from accepting the grace of God.
God is good and in him there is no darkness at all.

If you want to learn more look HERE and HERE.


Great post.
 
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MikeMcK said:
This is a bit like saying that your doctor tells you that if you don't stop smoking, you're going to get cancer but you don't believe him and keep smoking.

Then, once you get cancer, you beg him not to give you cancer.

The two problems that your left with are that (a) you've already got cancer and (b) it was your choice to make those harmful decisions that led to you getting cancer.

In the same way, God has warned you that your sin will catch up to you unless you come to the cross to be made clean.

It is God who went through such heroic lengths to keep you out of Hell to begin with.

When you ignore Him and mock His word, you've made your choice.

You're also assuming that God sends people to Hell because He's mad at them and that you can get out of Hell by appealing to His sympathies.

That's not how the Bible tells us that it works.

Each one of us is seperated from God by sin. Until we're reconciled to God through Christ's atonement on the cross, we're lost and going to Hell (and deservedly so).

God has already shown mercy. Now that you've rejected that, it's time for justice to take over.

Wow, great answer!!!! Liked the analogy. I believe there is a scripture that addresses this issue too. Remember the one about the man who winds up in Hell and he pleads for water to ease his torment and then not only doesn't this happen (because he was where he chose to be) but when he asks for his living relatives to be warned, the answer is that they are already aware of God and have the same choices he did. (To paraphrase because I don't remember the actual verses).
 
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LadyNRA said:
Wow, great answer!!!! Liked the analogy. I believe there is a scripture that addresses this issue too. Remember the one about the man who winds up in Hell and he pleads for water to ease his torment and then not only doesn't this happen (because he was where he chose to be) but when he asks for his living relatives to be warned, the answer is that they are already aware of God and have the same choices he did. (To paraphrase because I don't remember the actual verses).
I have no clue what your talking about lol.
But I wish someone would point me to this story.
 
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LadyNRA said:
Wow, great answer!!!! Liked the analogy. I believe there is a scripture that addresses this issue too. Remember the one about the man who winds up in Hell and he pleads for water to ease his torment and then not only doesn't this happen (because he was where he chose to be) but when he asks for his living relatives to be warned, the answer is that they are already aware of God and have the same choices he did. (To paraphrase because I don't remember the actual verses).

Thanks LadyNRA. You bring up an excellent point.

The story you're thinking of is the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man. It's found in Luke, Ch 16.
 
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Davis said:
I have no clue what your talking about lol.
But I wish someone would point me to this story.

Ask and ye shall receive:
Luke 16:19-31 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 
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In regards to The Bible or the Koran or any other "holy" writing, one must judge the writings against themselves.
Even in a cursurey study the Bible is the only writing that has prophecy. Future events foretold. And all these prophecies foretold to current time have come to pass. Many people and places that for years have been unproven are through archeo;logy being proven.A brief support is in Daniel and the story of King nebuchadnezzar dream. This was written appr 606 b.c.during the reign of the babylonian empire. This fact has been proven and the time of the daniels writing proven. Yet the prophecy of future kingdoms( Medo Persia, Greece and Rome) all came to pass. Only the God of heaven ( the God of the Bible could know).
 
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LyricalX said:
Ok, so in this post im going to pretend I think Christianity is fact.

Say I died and hadn't accepted Christ into my heart. I always wondered if he was the truth but never ended up believing it.

God sentences me to hell. What if there and then I begged like no-ones begged before for God not to send me. Do you think God might make decisions outside of what it says in the Bible?

Why wait until that point to beg for His mercy and grace? How would you convince God to change His mind? God just might tell you "hey, you were in contact with other christians, why didn't you believe me then when they were trying to guide you towards Me?"
 
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LyricalX said:
But how am I suppose to read the Qur'an and the Bible and decide which one is the truth?
I live in an Islamic country. I invite you to study our political situation here, talk to the non-muslim citizens here, then judge for yourself.

Good luck, I hope you will find the truth. God bless.
 
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LyricalX said:
But how am I suppose to read the Qur'an and the Bible and decide which one is the truth?

I have a Muslim saying "faith will show you which one"

I have a Christian saying "faith will show you which one"


Surely God can see i'm trying so hard, but as a mere human, I can't figure this all out.
Okay, there's not really any way to know, but there is one thing that I think is pretty telling.

The Bible was written over thousands of years by dozens of different people. In lots of cases (especially the New Testament) the books were written while witnesses to the events were still alive and could have refuted the facts had they been wrong. Plus, many of the men who wrote parts of it were persecuted and even martyred for their commitment to God (so it obviously wasn't for personal gain). Even with all of that time and all of those powerful personalities being involved, it tells one consistent story.

The Our'an was written by one man who supposedly had a vision while he was alone in a cave in the desert. Muhammad built it on the basics of Judaism and Christianity, but many of its core beliefs are contradictory to these precursor religions.

To me, the Bible seems more likely to be the work of God.
 
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LyricalX said:
Ok, so in this post im going to pretend I think Christianity is fact.

Say I died and hadn't accepted Christ into my heart. I always wondered if he was the truth but never ended up believing it.

God sentences me to hell. What if there and then I begged like no-ones begged before for God not to send me. Do you think God might make decisions outside of what it says in the Bible?
I'd like to ask a simple question?

Would your idea work in our courts, if you steal something or assult a cop, kill a man could your begging stop the Judge from giving you justice, of Course not.

You have right now the knowledge, the understanding that your going to be judged after you die, you are without excuse, after you leave this world and never accept Jesus Christ a your Saviour you will go to God's holding cell until you go to trial, Revelation 20:11-15

Our courts have holding cell and this is what Hell is a eternal holding cell until all who died without Jesus Christ as Saviour are Judged.Revelation 20:11-15

Why are you judged if your already being punished? When a person is removed from there holding cell at a court house they go before the Judge to face each account there Charged with.

This is why the Last and Great White Throne Judgement, God will give you justice by giving you a trial, just think for each time you did something wrong, cussed, lied said something against God or Christians, what if you got 1 degree of heat for each sin you commited.How hot will it be on you? This is were your heat and degree of punishment will come into play for all who are lost..

You could beg for ten trillion years and your to late, if you die it's Hell first until trial, then it's eternal Lake of Fire afterwards.

Only those who want to reject God's way to be saved will die and go to hell, they choose to go to Hell or slip up and die first or wait to late and die before they get saved, but you know your going to be judged becaused you asked about it? If you go there it's your own fault because you know the Truth.

I hope you will really think about what your saying my friend , we Want to with us in Heaven it's a free ticket but you have to pick it up.

May God lead you To our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Come and go with us please my friend
Bro Malone
 
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