Question about Preachers and Creationism defenders?

[preacherinblack]

Is Dr. Henry Morris a good defender of Young Earth creationism and/or Biblical Creationism?I'm looking for some good defenders of young earth creationism/Biblical creationism.Also Who are some good Biblically sound baptist Preachers I could listen to?

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Is Dr. Henry Morris a good defender of Young Earth creationism and/or Biblical Creationism?I'm looking for some good defenders of young earth creationism/Biblical creationism.Also Who are some good Biblically sound baptist Preachers I could listen to?

Henry Morris was a civil engineer with virtually no education in biology, geology, paleontology, or the Hebrew text of the Book of Genesis. He knew virtually nothing about genetics, ecology, paleontology, zoology, botany or any other science related to young earth creationism—but he was a very outspoken defender of his personal belief that all of the Book of Genesis should be interpreted literally even when such an interpretation is refuted by 200 years of Old Testament scholarship and massive amounts of data pertaining to the age of the earth and such matters as tectonic plates and the history of their movement.

There are today, approximately 25 men (no women) who have earned a Ph.D. in some field of science and who, because they share the personal belief that all of the Book of Genesis should be interpreted literally, are attempting to refute the 3,000,000+ scientists who know for a fact that the earth is billions of year old, and who are in very close agreement that the earth is 4.56 billion years old.

The very same God who is watching you read this message created the planet that you are living on 4.56 billion years ago! This absolutely infinite God knows your name, hears your prayers, and is working in your life for your good as you place your faith in Him. There are many more than 25 scientists who believe in alien abductions, believe that vaccinations cause autism, and believe nearly every other imaginable thing. The majority is not always right, but we are not talking about a simple majority, we are talking about 3,000,000 scientists versus about 25 who base their science upon their interpretation of Genesis rather than upon the education that they received and which they claim qualifies them to teach on young-earth creationism!

 

[miamited]

Hi BIB,

I've always liked Adrian Rogers. He's gone to be with the Lord now, but his teaching still stands head and hands above a lot of the expositors today. I've read a dabble of Henry Morris's understanding of the creation and I'm honestly not sure how old he believed the creation to be. I do know that he spent a tremendous amount of effort to try and show how science could prove miracles, but I honestly don't think that he was ever very successful at it. Personally, I don't believe that such a premise can withstand. Science can't prove miracles. They are by the very definition of the word events that happen outside of any known laws or provable theories.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi BIB,

I've always liked Adrian Rogers. He's gone to be with the Lord now, but his teaching still stands head and hands above a lot of the expositors today. I've read a dabble of Henry Morris's understanding of the creation and I'm honestly not sure how old he believed the creation to be. I do know that he spent a tremendous amount of effort to try and show how science could prove miracles, but I honestly don't think that he was ever very successful at it. Personally, I don't believe that such a premise can withstand. Science can't prove miracles. They are by the very definition of the word events that happen outside of any known laws or provable theories.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[preacherinblack]

I do not want debate I believe in young earth creationism and I do not want a debate just some answers.

 

[miamited]

hI pib,

I guess the most well known defender of the biblical account of the creation of the earth, that it happened in 6 days about 6,000 years ago, would be Ken Hamm. He has poured literally hundreds of thousands of dollars into the creation museum up near Covington KY that is all about explaining how the generally accepted scientific theories today may well be wrong.

Here's a short list of noted scientists in many of the physical science fields that claim to believe in the biblical account of creation of 6 days about 6,000 years old.

Growing list of scientists who consider young earth creationism (YEC) a fact and evolution as bunk - National Christian Worldview | Examiner.com

However, I don't agree with the pictograph that only God existed before day 1, unless you further limit that to this physical realm in which we live. I think the Scriptures are reasonably clear that the angelic realm that resides in the realm in which God is, existed before this realm was ever begun.

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

 

[preacherinblack]

hI pib,

I guess the most well known defender of the biblical account of the creation of the earth, that it happened in 6 days about 6,000 years ago, would be Ken Hamm. He has poured literally hundreds of thousands of dollars into the creation museum up near Covington KY that is all about explaining how the generally accepted scientific theories today may well be wrong.

Here's a short list of noted scientists in many of the physical science fields that claim to believe in the biblical account of creation of 6 days about 6,000 years old.

Growing list of scientists who consider young earth creationism (YEC) a fact and evolution as bunk - National Christian Worldview | Examiner.com

However, I don't agree with the pictograph that only God existed before day 1, unless you further limit that to this physical realm in which we live. I think the Scriptures are reasonably clear that the angelic realm that resides in the realm in which God is, existed before this realm was ever begun.

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

Thanks

 

[tall73]

One of the people on that list is Walter Veith. He has some good videos online on the subject.

The first 25 minutes of the first video is not the best, the section on the big bang. It is not bad, just not overly compelling. But the rest of the material is really good.

As to his other theology though he is a 7th day Adventist. In his field though he has good information.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMU1soRrtJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZrxogY9Pnc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7HQzhi8UPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3R0bh9LtSc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ3IgGYf29k

 

[Hammster]

I do not want debate I believe in young earth creationism and I do not want a debate just some answers.

The Institute for Creation Research (Morris' organization) is a good organization. They have staff with PhDs and everything.

 

[FoxyRoxy]

I do not want debate I believe in young earth creationism and I do not want a debate just some answers.

If you genuinely want answers then I believe you must be open to debate.

 

[preacherinblack]

If you genuinely want answers then I believe you must be open to debate.

I guess I am open to debate I just don't want any fighting.

 

[SoulBap6]

I have been out of touch with this forum for about a year. I thought it interesting that when it comes to Creation. The Bible is clear, but we have 3000,000 that seem to totally object that our still trying to prove Darwinism. According to the Bible version it didn't take 4.5billion years. What really is true that God destroyed the earth with a flood. 8 people lived and millions died and no telling how many millions were alive? I guess they want to question that too. Do we believe Gods word and have faith that what it tells us is the Truth or do we do as people did in the Days of Noah, wait until the floods come. Disregarding what God wrote for you.

 

[FoxyRoxy]

The best way to defend a position is to learn about it yourself. What I mean is: don't just listen to the pre-packaged lectures of people who you already agree with. Actually go to the sources of the information and form your own opinions about it.

 

[Winman]

Go to Youtube and search Kent Hovind. He was very good at debating against Evolution until he was jailed for not paying some taxes. I personally believe there were powerful people behind his prosecution, as he clearly defeated evolutionists time and again in debates.

 

[OzSpen]

Is Dr. Henry Morris a good defender of Young Earth creationism and/or Biblical Creationism?I'm looking for some good defenders of young earth creationism/Biblical creationism.Also Who are some good Biblically sound baptist Preachers I could listen to?

I would not be recommending Henry Morris as his background is in engineering. I'm booked to see the release of the new documentary, 'Evolution's Achilles Heels', here in Brisbane on 21 November. This documentary features 9 PhD scientists in support of young earth creationism. On this advertising, you will see the names of those scientists for you to pursue.

I've read material by Dr Jonathan Sarfati, Dr Don Batten, and Dr Tas Walker. You can find their material on the Creation Ministries International website, creation.com.

If I were you, I'd start with the writings of Dr Jonathan Sarfati.

In Christ,
Oz

 

[Avid]

Go to Youtube and search Kent Hovind. He was very good at debating against Evolution until he was jailed for not paying some taxes. I personally believe there were powerful people behind his prosecution, as he clearly defeated evolutionists time and again in debates.

Good suggestion! He has a sound argument.

If you have any trouble finding a good one to watch, go here:

http://aChristianSpirit.com/Evolution.html

BTW, the charge against Kent Hovind was STRUCTURING. They could not make any tax evasion charges stick. STRUCTURING is when you take your own money out of the bank. If any of us take about $1,000 out of the bank every month for a year, we could be technically doing it against the law.

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[Avid]

I would not be recommending Henry Morris as his background is in engineering. I'm booked to see the release of the new documentary, 'Evolution's Achilles Heels', here in Brisbane on 21 November. This documentary features 9 PhD scientists in support of young earth creationism...

Do let us know how that goes! I'd love to be there, but am halfway around the world right now, and would need most of that time and a lot of money to get there for it...

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[OzSpen]

Do let us know how that goes! I'd love to be there, but am halfway around the world right now, and would need most of that time and a lot of money to get there for it...
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That should be available in the USA. Contact creation.com for information.

I'm going to the Australian release of the documentary that is being sponsored in my region by a Baptist Church.

Oz

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Good suggestion! He has a sound argument.

If you have any trouble finding a good one to watch, go here:

Evolution vs. Creation - aChristianSpirit.

"The purpose of this groundbreaking project is to simply and concisely expose evolution’s fatal weaknesses. Like our 15 Questions for Evolutionists tract, we believe evolution theory has no answer to these weaknesses, once properly explained and understood. The book is like no other work that we are aware of, in that it is authored exclusively by nine Ph.D. scientists. Our hope is that this fact will cause evolutionists to sit up and listen. All of these authors received their doctorates from similar, secular universities as their evolutionary counterparts."​

If the Ph.D’s of these nine men make them experts in evolutionary biology, how about the Ph.D’s of the over 3,000,000 scientists around the world who believe in the theory of evolution?

I am all too familiar with Creation Ministries International (CMI) and their so-called scientists—none of whom are currently employed in the scientific community, and NONE of whom have a background in evolutionary biology. Indeed, I personally wrote to CMI and asked them if they knew of even one biologist who had earned a Ph.D. in evolutionary biology and who disbelieved in the theory of evolution. They put me in contact with a staff member who had earned a Ph.D. in marine biology, and he told me that evolutionary theory had come up in some of the classes that he had taken, but he admitted that he had not studied evolution at an academic level, and that he did not know of anyone who had that disbelieved in the theory of evolution. I also asked CMI for the name of just one scientist who disbelieved in the theory of evolution but who did not disbelieve for religious reasons. They could not name even one!

Before my career change, I was a research biologist with an extensive background in evolutionary biology. On occasion, I was witnessed to by Christians who gave me pieces of anti-evolution literature. Upon reading the literature, I found it difficult to understand how religious people could be so ridiculously ignorant and dishonest. I encountered the Institute for Creation Research and was exposed to the most extreme dishonesty that I had ever encountered among Christians.

Today, in my spare time, I am actively involved in a Christian apologetics ministry to atheists. The majority of these atheists had been active (youth pastors, worship leaders, etc.) in evangelical Christian churches but subsequently learned that proven, scientific facts expressly contradict what they had been taught in church. Consequently, they gradually abandoned their faith and became atheists. None of them had ever been exposed to an academically defensible interpretation of Genesis and references to it in the other parts of the Bible. When I share with them such an interpretation, they are taken aback and ask me a lot of questions about my faith and have a renewed interest in the Bible.

CMI routinely uses dishonest and deceptive language in their literature, and they consistently ignore the fact that commingling the Gospel with young earth, anti-evolution propaganda is, in the minds of the educated public, destroying the credibility of the Bible and the gospel message that it proclaims.

If the Ph.D’s of these nine men make them experts in evolutionary biology, the Ph.D’s of the over 3,000,000 scientists around the world make them experts in evolutionary biology—and they believe in the theory of evolution! CMI knows this, of course, but they are counting on the public to not have enough sense to realize it!

 

[OzSpen]

PrincetonGuy,

Your response contains a number of questionable allegations:

1.

If the Ph.D’s of these nine men make them experts in evolutionary biology, how about the Ph.D’s of the over 3,000,000 scientists around the world who believe in the theory of evolution?

How do you know there are 3 million scientists around the world who believe in the theory of evolution? How will you determine how many scientists around the world DO NOT believe in the theory of evolution?

2.

Creation Ministries International (CMI) and their so-called scientists—none of whom are currently employed in the scientific community, and NONE of whom have a background in evolutionary biology

With respect, this is a straw man fallacy. There are people who work for CMI who are PhD scientists. You are not the one who determines what makes a scientist - that one has to be currently employed in the scientific community and MUST have a background in evolutionary biology. That's your straw man.

3.

Upon reading the literature, I found it difficult to understand how religious people could be so ridiculously ignorant and dishonest

This is an ad hominem fallacy and a put down of people who don't have your training in evolutionary biology.

4.

None of them had ever been exposed to an academically defensible interpretation of Genesis and references to it in the other parts of the Bible. When I share with them such an interpretation, they are taken aback and ask me a lot of questions about my faith and have a renewed interest in the Bible.

Are you daring to tell me that H C Leupold's exegetical commentary (based on a thorough knowledge of the Hebrew), Exposition of Genesis (1942. London: Evangelical Press/The Wartburg Press) is that of a dumbo exegete because he does not promote the theory of evolution?

5.

CMI routinely uses dishonest and deceptive language in their literature, and they consistently ignore the fact that commingling the Gospel with young earth, anti-evolution propaganda is, in the minds of the educated public, destroying the credibility of the Bible and the gospel message that it proclaims.

I am shocked that you, on the one hand, are making statements about 'an academically defensible interpretation of Genesis' and now talk about 'dishonest and deceptive language in their literature' when you provide not a shred of evidence to support your allegation. To be honest, I find that to be misleading.

Even if there are 3 million PhD scientists around the world who believe in evolution, that does not prove the existence of evolution, any more than, perhaps, millions of atheists around the world do not prove that God does not exist.

I thank God that He places many gifted people in the fields of science, theology, apologetics, and other disciplines, who are able to provide academically respectable expositions that expose the theory of evolution that you seem to have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

I have not written this to attack you, but to try to expose some of the tactics you have used in your response.

In Christ,
Oz