Question about imputation of Christ's righteousness

[bling]

I am not a theology expert so I appreciate any help on this.

The Scripture is unequivocally clear about our sins being imputed/credited to Christ.



Now, I know of the teaching that not only has Christ paid the debt for our sin, but I believe it is taught that His perfect righteousness is imputed/credited to us:



My question is this: Are we individually made righteous with Christ's righteousness or are we righteous because God sees Christ with us?

I'm starting to believe the latter, because the Scripture says our lives are "hidden with Christ in God" and we have been "made alive together with Him." Christians "become the righteousness of God in Him." If we are one flesh with Christ (Eph 5:31-32), then God doesn't see me as righteous as Christ because His righteousness is personally credited to me, but rather the church is one flesh with Christ and thereby in God's eyes identical with Christ. So, if this is correct, God sees Himself as righteous and we are only made righteous because He has forgiven our sins and hidden us in Christ.

I am open to correction on this. Am I crazy?

Are we being made “right” or righteous by is it Christ’s righteousness all along and we “personally” are still wrong?

How do we die? Is this like Paul saying “I have been crucified with Christ”? Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Is Christ’s death on the cross a gift “for” you or is it “for” God?

When a rebellious disobedient child: repents, accepts correctly the just discipline of his father and the father charitably forgives the child, is the relationship after this “better” than prior to the child’s disobedience?

 

[abacabb3]

Are we being made “right” or righteous by is it Christ’s righteousness all along and we “personally” are still wrong?

How do we die? Is this like Paul saying “I have been crucified with Christ”? Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Is Christ’s death on the cross a gift “for” you or is it “for” God?

When a rebellious disobedient child: repents, accepts correctly the just discipline of his father and the father charitably forgives the child, is the relationship after this “better” than prior to the child’s disobedience?

Somewhere in all those questions, I have missed your point, but your quotation of Galatians 2:20 makes it very clear. It is no longer us that God sees, but Christ.

 

[hedrick]

I agree, but am I just being dense? Is there a difference between being credited righteousness because we are with/in Christ, and the idea of righteousness literally being credited to our individual account?

No, you're not dense. There is a difference. Particularly since Paul says it's faith that is imputed as righteousness, and doesn't say that Christ's righteousness is credit to us.

 

[bling]

Somewhere in all those questions, I have missed your point, but your quotation of Galatians 2:20 makes it very clear. It is no longer us that God sees, but Christ.

Was God the Father while in Heaven, in someway being crucified "with Christ" while Christ was being crucified physically?

 

[abacabb3]

Was God the Father while in Heaven, in someway being crucified "with Christ" while Christ was being crucified physically?

No. But, believers do have the Holy Spirit, so Christians are spiritually in God because the Spirit indwells in them.

Romans 8:9 says
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

So, we belong to Christ if we have the Holy Spirit. And, as Paul makes clear is Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me."

So, it only makes sense that our faith is credited as righteousness, because the faithful are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and thereby when God comes to judge, we are "hidden in Christ," His righteousness is imputed onto us.

 

[bling]

No. But, believers do have the Holy Spirit, so Christians are spiritually in God because the Spirit indwells in them.

Romans 8:9 says
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

So, we belong to Christ if we have the Holy Spirit. And, as Paul makes clear is Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me."

So, it only makes sense that our faith is credited as righteousness, because the faithful are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and thereby when God comes to judge, we are "hidden in Christ," His righteousness is imputed onto us.

If your child was tortured, humiliated and murdered in front of you and you had the power to stop it, but out of you Love for others and His Love for others (being the reason your son was going through all this), how would you feel during this torture and murder and why?

I would suggest, you might “feel” worse than your son was feeling at the time, since you have an unbelievable Love for your son? Is God an example of an unbelievable Love for His son and if so would God not empathize with His son?

 

[abacabb3]

If your child was tortured, humiliated and murdered in front of you and you had the power to stop it, but out of you Love for others and His Love for others (being the reason your son was going through all this), how would you feel during this torture and murder and why?

I would suggest, you might “feel” worse than your son was feeling at the time, since you have an unbelievable Love for your son? Is God an example of an unbelievable Love for His son and if so would God not empathize with His son?

Where does the Scripture necessitate such concerns?

 

[bling]

Where does the Scripture necessitate such concerns?

Acts 2:37

and:
John 16: 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Does God not feel the pain that Christ goes through?

 

[abacabb3]

Acts 2:37

and:
John 16: 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Does God not feel the pain that Christ goes through?

Well, being that the Holy Spirit is in us and it teaches us to groan and cry "Abba, Father," I am not sure if I feel physical pain that the Holy Spirit does too. i don't see how the subject is important.