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question about HGT
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Well said! The best definition of evolution is "a change in the frequency of alleles in a population over time."
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this doesn't really answer the question.
substitute mutated and evolved and try again.
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What do you understand the difference between a mutated gene and one that's been subject to horizontal transfer to be?
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So you don't believe that there is any difference between a gene which has mutated and a gene which has been subject to horizontal transfer? Okay. Why do you believe that "science" says that there is?
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please don't bother responding to any more of my posts.
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Well, do you or do you not believe that there is a difference between genes which are the product of mutation and genes which have undergone horizontal transfer?
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In situ
in vivo veritas
I think you cleaves hairs now or making a remark at the wrong issue. While a genes in an individual normally cannot evolve (or rarely evolves - if they do you might have cancer) they have still been exposed to evolutionary processes before they ended up in an individual, so it is correct to say "evolved gene". But then again it is implicit understood that every single gene that exists has evolved so there is nothing new added by saying an "evolved gene".
I also notice you did not complain about the usage of the word 'science' which you would had been rightful to do, as most scientist does not even know what HGT is - not all scientist are biologists.
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No, you are completely wrong. The term "evolved" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever when applied to a gene or an individual. Populations evolve. Individuals and their genes do not. This is a very important distinction and, in many ways, cuts right to the heart of what many who don't accept evolution don't understand about evolution.
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In situ
in vivo veritas
It is also important to understand that not all scientist are biologist with a specialization in genetics and therefore might not have a single clue to what HGT even is. But that you did not decided to police. Which make me wonder why you are so keen on that everyone understand what 'evolve' means to the last letter and dot but avoided to correct all the "very important distinctions"?
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If there is to be a discussion about scientific issues, then everybody involved in the discussion should a) use the correct terminology, and b) understand what that terminology means.
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I'm sure whois would be happy to explain to anybody who asks. Or, indeed, I'm sure anybody who is curious can use google.
Because people discussion evolution should understand what evolution is. That should be a bare minimum for any honest discussion of the subject.
And anybody who is genuinely and honestly seeking to learn about the subject should be happy to be corrected when they make a mistake. That is, after all, how you learn.
I don't see any other mistakes in the OP which require correcting. If you can see one, I'd appreciate you pointing it out.
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You believe that people who make fundamental mistakes about evolution are better off not knowing that they're making such mistakes? Believing that evolution happens on the individual or gene level is not a trivial mistake at all. It's a really, really fundamental mistake about something incredibly important WRT evolution. Anybody who wants to have even the most rudimentary understanding of evolution should know this.
I've not set whois up for anything, let alone a straw man. Before any meaningful answers to his questions are possible, it's necessary to know what knowledge he already has and why he is asking. The OP appears to be starting from the assumption that "science" "knows" the difference between a gene which is the result of a mutation and one which has been transferred horizontally, which necessarily implies that he believes that there is a difference. If I knew whether or not that implication was actually accurate, and from where he acquired the impression that that is true, and that "science" does indeed "know" the difference, then perhaps I could answer the question meaningfully.
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