question about hell

[Eishiba]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

 

[SkyWriting]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is referred to as eternal torture?

"Endless Torment."

It is natural and self inflicted.
And actually "active" in the lives of non-believers today.
They are currently in Hell. The language specifies that hell is active and not a "future event."

 

[devin553344]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

That would mean that hell is actually eternal life for the unrepentant. The wages of sin is death.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

Maybe. (even with previous posts).... still maybe. You will have to go back to Hebrew and Greek to find the answer to your question, or someone who knows from the original languages the truth, and not from tradition of heaven and of hell. Tradition often is different than what is in the Bible.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Should read, "where the beast and the false prophet were (cast)..." They were destroyed, thus were.

 

[devin553344]

Should read, "where the beast and the false prophet were (cast)..." They were destroyed, thus were.

is that annihilation-ism?

 

[SkyWriting]

That would mean that hell is actually eternal life for the unrepentant. The wages of sin is death.

I didn't agree.....but checking.....seems you're correct at first look.
The death part looks to be final.

 

[mkgal1]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

Maybe this would be a more complete discussion posed in the "controversial Christian theology" section? Controversial Christian Theology

I didn't agree.....but checking.....seems you're correct at first look.
The death part looks to be final.

.....except Christ overcame death by His death.

 

[SkyWriting]

Maybe this would be a more complete discussion posed in the "controversial Christian theology" section? Controversial Christian Theology

.....except Christ overcame death by His death.

The saved do bypass death...as far as God is concerned.
Materially, it all will have to go.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

is that annihilation-ism?

I guess it is.

 

[DennisTate]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

I believe that the word translated eternal in many places really means "until the end of conditions last"....... so it seems that the Restoration of All Things may even be expanded into the realm of the dead eventually.

Near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie back in 1943 got the impression that those in hell could come out of it if they would change their ways of thinking.

near-death .com:
d. His Description of the Horrors of Hell

They were still somewhere on the surface of the Earth; but no living person or beings of light could be seen. Before them was a plain jammed with hordes of spirits who are the most miserable and angriest beings he has ever seen. Many were engaged in hand-to-hand combat with no weapons - trying in vain to hurt and kill those who didn't agree with them. A lot of verbal abuse could be heard between them as their thoughts could be heard by everyone around them the moment they are thought. Ritchie is horrified as he wonders what living in such a realm would be like - a place where you cannot hide from who you really are. These spirits were locked into destructive thought-patterns, rage and uncontrollable lust. Some were trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. The wailing coming from the hordes of unsatisfied spirits was tremendous. Other spirits were in despair saying things such as, "I always knew!" and "Didn't I warn you!" Ritchie realizes this place is truly hell. Their obsessive thoughts and emotions extended beyond the physical realm and into the spiritual realm where they cannot be satisfied. Yet there was nothing preventing any of the poor spirits in these realms from leaving. There was no condemnation coming from Jesus either - only compassion for these miserable spirits. Ritchie realizes Jesus hadn't abandoned any of them here. Instead they fled from the light to escape from having the darkness of their heart from being revealed.

Return to Top George Ritchie's Temple of Wisdom and Heavenly City Experience: They then travel to a completely different realm where some kind of enormous university is located. Spirits dressed as monks busily and happily engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. An enormous library exists here where all the important books of the universe are assembled. Ritchie asks Jesus if this is heaven. These are the spirits of people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth; but, like the spirits in hell, these spirits cannot see Jesus either.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Maybe this would be a more complete discussion posed in the "controversial Christian theology" section? Controversial Christian Theology

.....except Christ overcame death by His death.

Death will be with us until the final judgment.

 

[devin553344]

I guess it is.

I keep tossing the idea around in my head. But I'm still undecided.

 

[mkgal1]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

That would mean that hell is actually eternal life for the unrepentant. The wages of sin is death.

This is a good point, though - that we can't be contrasting eternal life with perishing and then state that the unrepentant will ETERNALLY live in order to face torment.

 

[SPF]

is there anywhere in the Bible in which hell is reffered to as eternal torture?

Isaiah 66:22-24

For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.

And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.

Daniel 12:1-2

At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, “Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” . . . Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Mark 9:42-48

Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10

This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

Jude 7

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Revelation 14:9-11

If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

Revelation 20:10, 14-15

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. . . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[RaymondG]

The saved do bypass death...as far as God is concerned.
Materially, it all will have to go.

Not so,

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I keep tossing the idea around in my head. But I'm still undecided.

Some (really evil) people were made to be destroyed.

 

[RaymondG]

Death will be with us until the final judgment.

Death is only with us until we are born from above.....believest thou this?

 

[SPF]

Death is only with us until we are born from above.....believest thou this?

Raymond, how can we make sure we don't die physically like you aren't going to?