Originally posted by GraftMeIn
I'm still looking for an answer about life surviving without water. Can you name one form of life, plant, or animal, that can survive without it?
and why discount so quickly what the Bible says about water being created first, knowing that water is an essential ingredient to life on earth. I'm speaking about the bible and the one God who created all things, not the ones that others think licked the moon or whatever.
Originally posted by blader
I'm still looking for a reference to these random facts you're throwing at us. Where did you get that information about DNA and dust? I hope you didn't make that up. If not, please show me the reference.
To answer your question, no, I can't. However, I find that to be more evidence for evolution than against. If the Earth startted out with a lot of water, then it stands to reason that life evolved to make use of water. That's how evolution works.
I don't know why I'm continuing this discussion, since it appears you have decided not to address most of my points and instead to ignore them.
Why discount so quickly what the lick the moon myths say about water being created first, knowing that water is an essential ingredient to life on earth? =)
As far as I'm concerned, the ones who licked the moon and the god of the Bible are pretty similar. They all offer a convenient, simple, explanation for things that require much more detailed analysis.
Originally posted by chickenman
life needs water, but plants need light - according to the bible, god created the plants before he created light - so he got the order right when he created water, but he obviously didn't know his plant biology too well
I'm still looking for an answer about life surviving without water. Can you name one form of life, plant, or animal, that can survive without it?
and why discount so quickly what the Bible says about water being created first, knowing that water is an essential ingredient to life on earth. I'm speaking about the bible and the one God who created all things, not the ones that others think licked the moon or whatever.
Originally posted by Shai-Hulud
Who ever denied that? Explain why it matters.
You still need to explain why your religious non-answer is any better that that of other religions.
Shai-Hulud
I didn't say anyone denied it, I was asking a question
the reason it matters is in the order things were created
In what order do these other religions say things were created?
I can't give you an answer untill you provide me with something that shows me how they say things were created,
Originally posted by GraftMeIn
things needed to be created in a certain order for life to be supported, the Bible shows the order these things were created in, it shows how things were planned, and created in order that life may be formed.
the Bible shows water, and light on the first day, two very essential ingredients for supporting life. It doesn't say anything about plants yet.
Originally posted by Shai-Hulud
You know the order well enough unless you're totally ignorant of current science. And I object to the word created. You're formulating your conclusion with your question.
You can find almost any order you want.
And yet you managed to decide that your creation myth is true, and all those of other religions are false.
Shai-Hulud
How can that be? It's like saying I can stick two different types of rocks in a jar and expect to get life.
any order we want means nothing if it can't support life.
don't consider it a myth, and as far I can tell, science will support the fact that in order for life to exist water and light are needed.
what it says is the correct order things would have to be created in.
I don't consider it a myth, and as far I can tell, science will support the fact that in order for life to exist water_and light are needed.
The Bible also can support the fact that science is correct if science agrees that those are the two first essential things needed to support life.
They can be used to compliment each other, but there are those who will continue to refuse that the bible can ever be correct, even if science does support what it says is the correct order things would have to be created in.
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Originally posted by GraftMeIn
From what you told me, (I assume you got your answers from science) It was a lucky chance of a combinition of two substances that contained no life, that formed life.
How can that be? It's like saying I can stick two different types of rocks in a jar and expect to get life.
Originally posted by Shai-Hulud
Good idea. Set up a straw man and shoot it down...
I didn't say anything about rocks. Learn some chemistry please. Life is nothing more than chemicals. That was illustrated beyond doubt recentrly when scientists created the polio virus from scratch. Chemicals interact. All chemicals. It is possible that they form a combination that is able to replicate itself. Then you have life.
I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Explain please.
Life does not need light. Do some research on chemosythesis and life around deep sea thermal vents. You may not consider it a myth, but any honest person with the slightest bit of scientific knowledge know that it is. Just like all other creation stories.
Do you consider plants before the sun to be the correct order?
You still need to explain why your religious non-answer is any better that that of other religions. (second time.)
Shai-Hulud
Originally posted by Freodin
Taken from
Robert von Ranke-Graves: Greek Mythology
(my translation)
The pelasgian creatian myth
"In the beginning there was Eurynome, the goddess of all things. Naked she rose from the chaos. But there was nothing firm for her to set her feet on. So she diveded the sea from the sky, and danced upon the waves."
So, here we have another creation myth that tells of a early creation of water. In fact, just as the Biblical creation myth, it tells of the DIVISION of water from the rest.
Can we now conclude from this that this myth is true?
Originally posted by GraftMeIn
the problem with this is it was written in 1947. Is there anything written dating back to biblical times, that can be used as a reference?
Originally posted by Cantuar
Yes, science will support the fact that water and light are needed to sustain life - at least, the sort of life that exists on Earth. Having said that, what's the problem? Science isn't trying to disprove the Bible.
Originally posted by seebs
I think you may be misunderstanding; that was a modern translation of mythology that, in all likelihood, predates Biblical times.
Originally posted by GraftMeIn
I agree science isn't trying to disprove the Bible. The problem is that some people say God could not have created the world, or life. and therefore they think the bible is incorrect.