Question about End Times

[dvd_holc]

"There is no further place for the "jewish" race in God's redemptive plan except in salvation through Christ."

Yet, Revalitions cleared talked about Jews.

 

[ShaggyFlasko]

This is not so, there are many places in the Bible where it says, that we are only saved because of the Jewish Race of people, I do not have time to list them now, but will try to get them listed later,

Please do, because I was saved by faith in Christ into the new Israel of God, whom he called out from both the Jew and the Gentiles.

all of what Is happening now over Israel is Prophecy being fulfilled before our own eyes today. There are many point of view, on this subject, but this is a very important one, and if you do not have your eyes open, you can miss what is happening.

modern "Israel"?

Romans 2:28-29 (rather, Romans 1-11) - For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Galatians 3:28-29 (indeed, the entire book) - 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Yet, Revalitions cleared talked about Jews.

Revelation is fulfilled, and was fulfilled within that generation.

The herodian temple was to be destroyed within that generation (Matthew 24:34, 23:36, 16:27-28, Luke 21:22). God's wrath was to be poured out on that generation of apostate Jews who rejected Christ and were persecuting his Church (Matthew 23, 2 Thess. 1).

All these events are synonamous with Christ's parousia ("second coming" or "coming again").

From a Christian point of view, the resumption of the Temple sacrifices, in denial of the efficacy of Jesus' death, would be abhorrent. Of course Jewish people wouldn't see it that way, but no Christian would touch something like that with a 10-cubit pole.

Amen, brother. There will not be another "holy" temple ever again.

God bless
-Bill

 

[CPman2004]

I stumbled onto a website a while ago about endtimes. Though it deals mostly with the different veiws of the rapture, but I think still helpful in some ways

http://www.biblebb.com/files/eschatology.htm

 

[MinDach]

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.

Isaac is the Beginning of the Jewish Race, and this is only one of many covenant that God has many with these people, God is saying here ( everlasting convenant) So either God does not hold to his word, or he means what he said.

The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which [was] full of bones,

(The Dry Bones is the Nation Of Israel ) Who thr the Hand of God became a nation again in 1947 No other Race of people on earth has this happen too. Come back to there home land and there own language.

Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, [there were] very many in the open valley; and, lo, [they were] very dry.


Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.


Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.


Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:


Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.


Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.


Eze 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but [there was] no breath in them.


Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.


Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

( For such a small Nation, they have one of the best Armys in the world, of all the Arab Nations around them, they have won every battle with the Arabs)


Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
( Here is the words) the bones are Israel.

Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.


Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,


Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it], saith the LORD.


Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,


Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:


Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.


Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these?


Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.


Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.


Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:


Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

( They have 1 king and 1 Nation)

Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

( This is the future ( Jesus is there Shepherd )
Eze 37:24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.


Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.

( Forever means Forever )


Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

( God Sanctuary in the midst of them for ever ) this is the part that is in the future)


Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

(If God can forsake his own people, then how would I know he would ( NOT ) do the same to me, for I have sinned and fallen short of what I should do, but he has not forgotten me, as he has not forgotten his first love, Israel has every thing to do with the last days, as it alway has.)

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

(Israel)


Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:


Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

( This has never Change ) He will Bless Nations that Bless Israel ) God does not Change, Thank God, or we all would be in trouble.

 

[dvd_holc]

were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
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From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
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from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
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from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
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from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
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[MidnightBlue]

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.

Isaac is the Beginning of the Jewish Race, and this is only one of many covenant that God has many with these people, God is saying here ( everlasting convenant) So either God does not hold to his word, or he means what he said.

Isaac is the ancestor of both Israel and Edom. Following your reasoning, God's everlasting covenant must apply to Edom, too.

The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which [was] full of bones,

(The Dry Bones is the Nation Of Israel ) Who thr the Hand of God became a nation again in 1947 No other Race of people on earth has this happen too. Come back to there home land and there own language.

Ezekiel was an exile, prophesying in Babylonia. The Jews did indeed return to their own land, as Ezekiel prophesied, some decades later.

Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

( They have 1 king and 1 Nation)

This shows that after the exile ended there was no longer to be a Northern Kingdom (Israel) and a Southern Kingdom (Judah) -- and indeed, after the return from exile, their two separate kingdoms were not re-established. Obviously, the modern state of Israel does not have one king; it does not have a king at all.

Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Whither they be gone: Not whither they shall be gone, but whither they be gone. This reference to the Babylonian Exile could not be clearer.

Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.

( Forever means Forever )

Indeed, the reign of Jesus, the Son of David, will endure forever. No other reign will or can endure forever.

 

[MinDach]

Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore

So what would you like to do with this one? You can say it was all past, but that does not make any sense, and one King is same as our president. Ishmael is the Arab race, and he was bless too, but there was NO covenant with him or his race of people to follow.


And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.


Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.


But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.


If this is all past, then what are you looking for? I believe God is alive and well, and working out his plans even today, mosts specially today, I see more happening today in the news then ever before in history that has to do with the end times. Even thr we disagree, my best to you.

 

[MidnightBlue]

So what would you like to do with this one? You can say it was all past, but that does not make any sense [...]

"And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore."

And what is the sanctuary of the Lord? Is it a building of stone and wood, where animals are slaughtered? Or is it something more?

[...] and one King is same as our president. [...]

Our president may think he's a king, but a king and a president are, nevertheless, not the same at all.

Ishmael is the Arab race, and he was bless too, but there was NO covenant with him or his race of people to follow.

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.

Precisely. I did not refer to Ishmael, but to Edom (Esau). The seed of Isaac includes Edom as surely as it includes Israel.

If this is all past, then what are you looking for? I believe God is alive and well, and working out his plans even today, mosts specially today, I see more happening today in the news then ever before in history that has to do with the end times.

And didn't he ever do anything in the past? Was there ever any prophecy that was given for ages past, or was it all just for the end times?

Even thr we disagree, my best to you.

Likewise.

 

[dvd_holc]

"a king and a president are, nevertheless, not the same at all."

Really who do they differ? Are they the head of authority in the nation? Are they both not established by God? Do they not tax us? Do they not send us to war? Do they not establish the policy of the government? Our government is based on 3 branch of authority but it does not change that there a head authority. When we say, "Who leads America?" The largest percent of people in the world would say the president. When we say, "Who leads any country?" We always go to one person. Yes, a persident, prime ministry, etc...are the current day kings.

 

[thisbetterbegood]

missionette,

what are these ashes of the pure red heifer you refer to?
just curious, i will also do a search myself.
thanks.

 

[dvd_holc]

I believe the pure red heifer was required for sacrifice in the temple. There was one born a few years back. It was the first one in about 2,000 years. It was also a burnt offering. I don't know why they need the ashes though.

 

[JJB]

Hi little lilli,

There are four main views within Christendom about the end times. They can be read about in Revelation: The Four views, written by Steve Gregg. He does a pretty thorough job, and relative unbiased -- as much as one can be unbiased -- in presenting all the views. So, if you want to learn about the four differing views, my suggestion would be to get the book.

The book's available at Amazon.

 

[MidnightBlue]

"a king and a president are, nevertheless, not the same at all."

Really who do they differ? [...] Yes, a persident, prime ministry, etc...are the current day kings.

I really don't understand why it's necessary to explain the difference between a king and a president. A king and a president have some things in common. So do a king and a general, or a king and Miss America. That doesn't mean they're the same.

 

[dvd_holc]

really? Miss America? hmm...wow

I see...How are they different again?

 

[missionette]

Hi little lilli,

There are four main views within Christendom about the end times. They can be read about in Revelation: The Four views, written by Steve Gregg. He does a pretty thorough job, and relative unbiased -- as much as one can be unbiased -- in presenting all the views. So, if you want to learn about the four differing views, my suggestion would be to get the book.

The book's available at Amazon.

or....instead of payin for it, go to Tribulationforces.com...they present views on all four beliefs(pretrib, midtrip posttrib, and premillenial...hope i got those right.) If u want to talk on there, my username is In_The_Cross'_Shadow...i go by ITCS, though!lol....ttyl

 

[MinDach]

[/QUOTE]And what is the sanctuary of the Lord

It is a city that will stand in the mist of Israel. City brought down from Heaven.




And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.


Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.


Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.


Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.


Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.


Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.


Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.


Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,


Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:


Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.


Rev 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.

 

[MinDach]

Here it talks about the city, if I remember right it 12,000 miles X 12,000 square
So it one big City.



And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.


Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.


Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.


Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was [of] jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass.


Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;


Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.


Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.


Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.


Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.


Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.


Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.


Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.


Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.



(Here it is talking about the NEW Covenant that God will have with the people of Israel)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:


Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:


Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.


Jer 31:38 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.


Jer 31:39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.


Jer 31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, [shall be] holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.

 

[MidnightBlue]

Christian views on the end times can be summarized thus:

The Millennium
By this is meant the reign of Christ on the earth. There are four main views, which may be broken into two literal and two nonliteral interpretations of the Millennium.

Literal: The Millennium is a literal thousand-year period during which Christ will reign upon the earth. This belief is also known as Chiliasm, and many traditional Christians consider it a heresy.

Premillennialism is the view that the Second Coming of Christ will precede the Millenium. This view was held by some of the early Church Fathers, such as Justin Martyr, but was later rejected as being nothing but rank superstition. Premillennialism was revived by the Dispensationalists, a movement that arose in the 1830s and gained momentum in the 20th century. Dispensationalists believe that all history can be divided into various periods, or dispensations, during which God deals with humanity according to different covenants. There may be anywhere from four to nine dispensations, depending on which Dispensationalists you listen to. Dispensationalism is also characterized by an attempt to interpret the scriptures as literally as possible. (Oddly enough, this attempt at literal interpretation often takes a distinctly nonliteral turn, and Dispensationalists will often earnestly assure you that Russia -- when I was younger, they said the Soviet Union --, the European Union, helicopters, etc., are mentioned in the Bible.) Modern Premillennialism is a Dispensationalist doctrine, and thus diverges from normative Christian doctrine. However, it has become the prevailing view among Evangelicals and fundamentalists, many of whom consider it an essential part of Christian doctrine, and because of this prevalence it has also gained much currency among some members of more traditional churches. It includes a belief in a literal seven-year time of troubles known as the Tribulation. Dispensationalists aren't usually troubled by the fact that their teachings are innovative and a departure from traditional Christian teaching. They often believe that since the end is growing near, God has granted them the ability to understand prophecy more clearly than it was understood before.

Postmillennialism is the view that the Second Coming will occur after the Millennial period of peace. Although this doctrine is not a necessary part of Calvinism, those who have believed in it have usually been Calvinists. It usually includes a stated or implicit obligation for Christians to work towards achieving the Millennium. Some Postmillennialists do, and some don't, believe the Millennium is a literal thousand-year-period.

Non-Literal: The Millennium is not a literal thousand-year period.

Amillenialism is the view that the Millennium is the period between the Ascension and the Second Coming; the Age of the Church, if you will. This is the orthodox and normative Christian view.

Nonmillennialism is the view that there is, and will be, no Millennium. It rejects all teachings about the Millennium as irrelevant.

Preterism is the belief that much -- or most -- of prophecy has already been fulfilled, especially during the first century. Preterism in this broader sense is a perfectly orthodox position. A much more controversial form of Preterism, sometimes called Full Preterism, teaches that all prophecy, including the Second Coming, has already been fulfilled. This view is considered to be heretical by many Christians.

The Rapture
The traditional Christian belief is that at the time of the Second Coming, those of the faithful who are alive will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. This event is not normally distinguished from the Second Coming or given the name Rapture. In Dispensationalist theology, however, a view arose that the faithful would be caught up into the air, hence vanishing from the earth, sometime before the Second Coming. A belief in this event, known as the Rapture, is a specifically Dispensationalist and Premillenialist belief. They have four main views on the timing of the Rapture:

Pre-Tribulation Rapture: The Rapture will occur just before, or at the beginning of, the Tribulation.

Mid-Tribulation Rapture: The Rapture will occur 3½ years into the Tribulation (in the middle of the Tribulation).

Pre-Wrath Rapture: The Rapture will occur near the end of the Tribulation, perhaps 5½ years into it, before God pours out his wrath on the earth.

Post-Tribulation Rapture: The Rapture will occur at the end of the Tribulation, at the time of the Second Coming.

Because the Rapture is a peculiarly Dispensationalist teaching, and Dispensationalism is an innovation that arose less than two centuries ago, no teaching about the Rapture can really be said to be traditional or normative, though the Post-Tribulationists, in linking the Rapture to the Second Coming, come closest to reflecting a traditional view in that one detail.

 

[AlikhnKwizad]

"Because the Rapture is a peculiarly Dispensationalist teaching, and Dispensationalism is an innovation that arose less than two centuries ago, no teaching about the Rapture can really be said to be traditional or normative, though the Post-Tribulationists, in linking the Rapture to the Second Coming, come closest to reflecting a traditional view in that one detail."

AMEIN!!!!!!!!!!

 

[missionette]

looks like i forgot a few!lol