Question about Easter

kingston · Mar 29, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
pascha is the word used in Acts 12:4 and in 29 places in total. It is properly translated Passover 28 times.

I beg to differ, if you look in the KJV you will find the word Easter which means pascha.

Melethiel · Mar 29, 2006

kingston said:
I beg to differ, if you look in the KJV you will find the word Easter which means pascha.

However, in that one place he is correct, and Pascha is more properly translated "Passover". Though I've always been used to "Pascha" itself being the word for "Easter", it is a reference to the Passover being fulfilled in Christ.

YahwehisHisname · Mar 31, 2006

kingston said:
I beg to differ, if you look in the KJV you will find the word Easter which means pascha.

No. Easter doesn't mean pascha.

Pascha is in scripture 29 times.It's from pesach. It is properly translated passover 28 times. Only in Acts did the idiots put "easter"
The word inspired by Yahweh means the 14th day of Nissan, not the 2nd(or whatever) SUN day after the earth gets impregnated.

YahwehisHisname · Mar 31, 2006

BTW, that is the reason for the symbols of fertility(rabbits), Iollain.

Oblio · Mar 31, 2006

The word inspired by Yahweh means the 14th day of Nissan, not the 2nd(or whatever) SUN day after the earth gets impregnated.

PRR please !

Melethiel · Mar 31, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
No. Easter doesn't mean pascha.

Pascha is in scripture 29 times.It's from pesach. It is properly translated passover 28 times. Only in Acts did the idiots put "easter"
The word inspired by Yahweh means the 14th day of Nissan, not the 2nd(or whatever) SUN day after the earth gets impregnated.

I was wondering when the "SUNday" thing would come up. Fine, I'll use Kuriaki, Nedila, take your pick? It means the same thing.

Rdr Iakovos · Mar 31, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
No. Easter doesn't mean pascha.

Pascha is in scripture 29 times.It's from pesach. It is properly translated passover 28 times. Only in Acts did the idiots put "easter"
The word inspired by Yahweh means the 14th day of Nissan, not the 2nd(or whatever) SUN day after the earth gets impregnated.

We Eastern Orthodox call the day of Resurrection (which was not on Nisan 14, but rather Nisan 16) Pascha. Before I was received into the Church, I referred to this day as Easter. Never in any of those days did I worship a pagan God, always my mind was on the Resurrected One. The EO Paschal celebration is more heavenly than words can describe- but the beauty is NOT in what we call it.

I laugh at this notion that there is some kind of latent power in names. If I do all that I do in the 'name of' the Lord, yet have not love, is it not of effect. I can read the purest and best biblical manuscript, but it will be nothing but poison if I hate, weapons for my warfare against my brothers.

The most poisonous, heretical text is delicious and lie-giving food for the brother or sister who walk in the power and grace of Christ, for "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them..."

Brethren, let your hearts not be troubled. God cannot be put in a name box.

Iakovos

icbeckyc · Mar 31, 2006

Rdr Iakovos said:
We Eastern Orthodox call the day of Resurrection (which was not on Nisan 14, but rather Nisan 16) Pascha. Before I was received into the Church, I referred to this day as Easter. Never in any of those days did I worship a pagan God, always my mind was on the Resurrected One. The EO Paschal celebration is more heavenly than words can describe- but the beauty is NOT in what we call it.

I laugh at this notion that there is some kind of latent power in names. If I do all that I do in the 'name of' the Lord, yet have not love, is it not of effect. I can read the purest and best biblical manuscript, but it will be nothing but poison if I hate, weapons for my warfare against my brothers.

The most poisonous, heretical text is delicious and lie-giving food for the brother or sister who walk in the power and grace of Christ, for "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them..."

Brethren, let your hearts not be troubled. God cannot be put in a name box.

Iakovos

That's the point exactly. We can call Easter -Resurrection Day or The Holy Day, but if we hate or are not following God's commandments, he knows. That is all that truely matters.

Oblio · Mar 31, 2006

icbeckyc said:
That's the point exactly. We can call Easter -Resurrection Day or The Holy Day, but if we hate or are not following God's commandments, he knows. That is all that truely matters.

Well since the Church and those who follow her teachings neither hate God or His commandments, it's kinda a moot point.

YahwehisHisname · Apr 3, 2006

He said "if you love me, you will follow my commands". The church changed His commands and thus masses today neither know of or follow His commands. The Sabbath is just one example. Easter is another. You can think God is happy with the church if you want, but ultimately, it really doesn't matter what we "think" does it? The one commandment He told us to "remember"... we have forgotten. Most think this is fine and dandy. Plus it would be terribly inconvenient with work schedules and customs, ya know. We'd have to switch football to a different day even.
Well, He told us what He thinks of it, we just don't pay attention.We substitute His days for ones with Pagan roots, having nothing to do with our creator. Most think this is fine, because after all, "He Knows my heart and I am really praising Him on this day". We take His name 7000 times out of His word and replace it with the name of Ba'al. But you'd probably have to be a name freak or something to think He cared about that. Today in church I learned that the man on the pulpit had the power to forgive sins. That's what he said, anyway. Yeah, I went to a building named in honor of a sun goddess and read from a book that derives it name from a sun Deity, I had to walk past several idols, and I heard 3 verses quoted from scripture all sermon.
I'm sure He is pleased with us. It doesn't matter. What's in a name? This day is as good as the next, right? There is no difference.

BTW, went to services today with friends.

Not saying the church hates Him but they certainly don't love Him.
Hmmmmm neither hot nor cold. Sluggish or fervent.

“I know your ergon (deeds, works, that with which you occupy yourself); you are neither psuchros (frozen, sluggish, inert, and completely attached to the world) nor zestos (boiling with passion, fervent, and zealous). I ophelon (wish) you were psuchros or zestos. So then, because you are chliaros (lukewarm, indifferent, apathetic, unenthusiastic, neutral between good and evil), and neither psuchros nor zestos, I mello (expect to, intend to, will consider it necessary to) emeo (vomit or spew) you out of My mouth.”

Melethiel · Apr 3, 2006

and I heard 3 verses quoted from scripture all sermon.

Based on, I'm sure, the several chapters read before the sermon from all portions of Scripture...

Rdr Iakovos · Apr 3, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
He said "if you love me, you will follow my commands". The church changed His commands and thus masses today neither know of or follow His commands. The Sabbath is just one example. Easter is another. You can think God is happy with the church if you want, but ultimately, it really doesn't matter what we "think" does it?

The one commandment He told us to "remember"... we have forgotten.

I have not forgotten this commandment. Have you? Why the "we" as if you speak for the Body universal?

I think that there are many that would minimize the commandments to their absolute verbatim, and thus miss the point entirely. As Jesus said
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."
Note that He said NOT to leave the other (the tithes) undone- but that mere observance of the letter of the Law is not "keeping" it.

YahwehisHisname said:
Most think this is fine and dandy. Plus it would be terribly inconvenient with work schedules and customs, ya know. We'd have to switch football to a different day even.

Ministers and priests all work on the Sabbath. I would recommend that nurses and doctors look after the sick on on Sabbath, also- whether one keeps said Sabbath on the 7th or 1st day.

As for me and my house, I say "Blessed are you Lord, teach me your statutes."

YahwehisHisname said:
Well, He told us what He thinks of it, we just don't pay attention.We substitute His days for ones with Pagan roots, having nothing to do with our creator.

We (Greek Christians) refer to Saturday as Sabbaton, Sunday as Kyriaki (Lord's Day), Friday as Paraskevi (preparation day) and the rest of the week is numbered 2nd, 3rd, etc.
We refer to Pascha, and not Easter.
But you know what? The names we use don't sanctify that which is not sanctified in the heart of a man. Many who PROPERLY call Jesus 'Lord,Lord' do not do so in their hearts, and will weep in the outer darkness.

Why do you teach "we" when you do not mean it? What you mean to say is clear- "you church people."
Well, I'm a Church guy, and I can say that what I call days is the least of my failings- or successes.

YahwehisHisname said:
Most think this is fine, because after all, "He Knows my heart and I am really praising Him on this day". We take His name 7000 times out of His word and replace it with the name of Ba'al.

If only He was on out heart all day, there'd be no dispute.

YahwehisHisname said:
But you'd probably have to be a name freak or something to think He cared about that.

There are many who think they are justified by what they call God. They condemn themselves with their presumption.

YahwehisHisname said:
Today in church I learned that the man on the pulpit had the power to forgive sins. That's what he said, anyway.

Authority to forgive sins was granted the Apostles. The power to do so is God's alone.

YahwehisHisname said:
Yeah, I went to a building named in honor of a sun goddess and read from a book that derives it name from a sun Deity, I had to walk past several idols, and I heard 3 verses quoted from scripture all sermon.
I'm sure He is pleased with us. It doesn't matter. What's in a name? This day is as good as the next, right? There is no difference.

BTW, went to services today with friends.

Not saying the church hates Him but they certainly don't love Him.
Hmmmmm neither hot nor cold. Sluggish or fervent.

By the measure with which you judge, so shall you be judged. Your reading of the tetragrammaton is a Masoretic approximation. Whta if you mispronounce the name, and it should be Yayway or yehweh? How is then Yahweh any better than Iesou or yashureubetcha?

Talk is cheap. A man's heart is revealed by his deeds, by his interactions with his brothers (Matthew 25).
Lord have mercy
Iakovos

YahwehisHisname · Apr 3, 2006

Melethiel said:
Based on, I'm sure, the several chapters read before the sermon from all portions of Scripture...

No, really. Three total. Two from 2 Timothy and I forget the other. The rest was pretty much music. It would take about 15,000 years to come to "know" Him in this manner.

YahwehisHisname · Apr 3, 2006

Good post rdr. I agree with most of it.
"We" meaning, creation.
No intention of offending. Sorry

Oblio · Apr 3, 2006

It would take about 15,000 years to come to "know" Him in this manner.

Experience proves otherwise.

All hyperbole on your part aside, you will have more problems knowing Jesus Christ if you simply dwell on the same handful of Scriptures that support your personal views. I'll stick with the wisdom of the Church who for 2000 years has taught the entire word of God, not just excerpts.

Rdr Iakovos · Apr 3, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
Good post rdr. I agree with most of it.
"We" meaning, creation.
No intention of offending. Sorry

Thank you-
No need to apologize, really. Forgive me please if my statements were overly blunt, so as to sound offended...or to cause offense.
warmly
James

katherine2001 · Apr 3, 2006

Oblio said:
Experience proves otherwise.

All hyperbole on your part aside, you will have more problems knowing Jesus Christ if you simply dwell on the same handful of Scriptures that support your personal views. I'll stick with the wisdom of the Church who for 2000 years has taught the entire word of God, not just excerpts.

Me too, Oblio. I look at the very holy saints that the Church has produced, who became so like Christ Himself. People who have loved everyone (including their worst enemy), were full of all the fruits of the Spirit, especially gentleness and compassion, and refused to judge anyone. I will also stick to the wisdom of the Church, who has not only taught the entire word of God, but also has the means and methods to help each one of us to become more like Christ by opening us up to receive God's grace.

When I became Orthodox, it opened me to all those verses and passages of Scripture that were never preached on in my old faith and certainly never underlined. The Church will never let you get away with just taking the verses or passages that I want to use to support my opinion, but point out the verses and passages that don't and tell me that those are just as valid and from God and have to be taken into account and reconciled.

Melethiel · Apr 3, 2006

YahwehisHisname said:
No, really. Three total. Two from 2 Timothy and I forget the other. The rest was pretty much music. It would take about 15,000 years to come to "know" Him in this manner.

Don't underestimate music.

"He who sings, prays twice." -St. Augustine
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YahwehisHisname · Apr 4, 2006

I understand, but if I wanted to go to a concert I would have. It is why I seldom go to "church". Silly me, I actual thought we would speak of the nature, and message of our creator.
For perspective, there isn't a bigger music lover in the world than me.
The pastor closed the show with a trumpet solo. Very weird to me.
Oh, the church also said that this(Sunday) was the lords day. It took all my power....LOL

Therefore I have pointed to several lies, and I was there for 2 hours in this church. What do they indoctrinate the masses with that are there regularly? In conjunction with not hearing the name of our creator, or 20 words of His message, this isn't a good combo. Hopefully this is not the norm, but I fear it is. This is why Hosea said "My people are destroyed for lack of (yada) knowing and understanding" Truly saddening. His scriptures tell us exactly how the church would be today- and it is. Imagine that.

Child_of_Yahweh · Apr 10, 2006

Romeo18 said:
I know this is the wrong forum but I did not know where else to post this.

Was Easter the day the Christ rose from the dead

NO... Easter is a man-made holiday.

and decended into Heaven and

was Good Friday the day He was killed?
NO.... Yahshua was crucified on a Wednesday evening which was the day BEFORE the High Sabbath at that time (REMEMBER: He was to be removed from the cross BEFORE the Sabbath...Even the people that KILLED Him kept the Sabbath) Had he died on "Good Friday" (That is a stupid term in my opinion anyway) He would have risen sometime around Tuesday (REMEMBER: He was to stay in the tomb 3 days AND 3 nights!) He probably arose sometime between late Saturday night to early Sunday morning, However, as many Christian have done....that did NOT make the "NEW SABBATH" become Sunday....t has ALWAYS been the Seventh Day and is to be KEPT that way. My sister asked me that just now, and I sadly, cannot remember.

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