Question about death.

[Sharky]

considering we're saved, when we die, do we instantly go to heaven or do we sorta rip on earth until God's revelation. Cuase i read there in thess i think that the dead will be given up and taken. a sorta tip off that when we die, we're not in heaven yet. Just wondering.

 

[\o/]

You r.i.p. until the resurrection at the return of Jesus.

JN 14:1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

The blessed hope is not at the death of an individual, it is at the 2nd coming.

TI 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

 

[tericl2]

Matt 22
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
31 Now concerning the resurrection of the dead, haven't you read what was spoken to you by God:
32 I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

Whether in Heaven or in the "paradise" spoken of in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, we will be somwhere. we aren't just "dead" as dead is commonly thought, because God is a God of the LIVING!! Praise Him!!

 

[Job_38]

Hmm, I dont see how that leads to being on earth till Christ returns. If so, then Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Jude, and everyone else is not in heaven.

 

[Sharky]

i know which is what confuses me. I mean when jesus prayed, Moses was there as well as....i think it was Elijah. I'm probably wrong.

 

[\o/]

Eric, that whole section was about the resurrection of the dead, not what happens between death and resurrection.

 

[JohnR7]

>>when we die, do we instantly go to heaven

There are many here who will not actually die, because we are the rapture generation and we have power over death. Those that have died before the rapture, their body remains here on Earth, and their soul goes to Heaven to be with the Lord.

When Jesus returns, He will bring them with Him. Their body will actually go up before we do. Then we will be transformed in the twinkle of an eye, and we will go up to be with them. All that is in Heaven and on Earth will become joined together as one in Jesus. All power and authority has been given to Jesus.

 

[tericl2]

Originally posted by \o/
Eric, that whole section was about the resurrection of the dead, not what happens between death and resurrection.

You missed the point of what I was saying and what Jesus said. We are not dead when we die (other than our physical bodies, which will remain until the ressurection). That is why God is a God of the living, not the dead.

BTW, it is about what is between the two. I mean, if Abraham, Iasaac, and Jacob are alive as Jesus stipulated and the ressurection hasn't occured yet, then it speaks volumes about what is "in between".

 

[Rafael]

2 Corinthians 5:8  We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

This verse says it for me. No waiting around when you die. Our perception is from that of being trapped in time. God's is from the perception of eternity. A big difference. Lots of people think that eternity is just where there is unlimited number of days, but it actually a place where time is no more. When we enter eternity, time has no place over us - only now. I think this difference has spawned much confusion over end times and death, but is just my opinion. The verses from the Bible aren't my opinion, though.

Acts 17:28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

John 14:20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Col. 3:1 ¶ If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2  Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3  For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4  When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

 

 

[\o/]

Eric, here is the point of God being the God of the living, not the dead:

ROM 4:17 ...the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

God is not the God of "the living" because humans have "immortal souls" that float off at the death of the body. No.

God is the God of "the living" because He will resurrect dead people to immortal life. He considers it a done deal, even though it hasn't happened yet.

 

[\o/]

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.


"Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: .... We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

In verses 1-8, Paul is contrasting the present mortal state with the future immortal life in heaven. Notice the expressions he uses for the two conditions:

earthly house - - - - - - - - building of God
this tabernacle - - - - - - - house not made with hands
mortality - - - - - - - - - - - our house which is from heaven
in the body - - - - - - - - - absent from the body
absent from the Lord - - - - present with the Lord

Paul speaks of being clothed with "our house which is from heaven" Verse 2. He longs "that mortality might be swallowed up of life." Verse 4. But the key to the entire discourse lies in the description of a third condition. After desiring to be clothed with immortality, Paul states that "being clothed we shall not be found naked." Verse 3. Putting it yet another way, he said, "Not for that we would be unclothed." Verse 4.

Clearly the naked or unclothed state was neither mortality nor immortality, but death and the grave. Paul realized that one did not pass instantly from being clothed with this tabernacle into being clothed with our house from heaven. Death and the grave came in between, and he referred to this as being unclothed and naked.

In another text Paul spelled out exactly when that change from mortality would take place. In 1 Corinthians 15:52, 53, he wrote, "The trumpet shall sound ... and this mortal must put on immortality." That will be when Jesus comes.

 

[new2calvin]

Originally posted by JohnR7
There are many here who will not actually die, because we are the rapture generation and we have power over death.

where  in the Bible does it talk about the rapture???