Quench not the Spirit, or dont block the Holy Spirit's work.

[reddogs]

1 Thessalonians 5:19
19 Quench not the Spirit.

The Protestant Reformation has as one of its basis the teaching of “sola Scriptura,” “the Bible only.” For the Seventh-day Adventists, “The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will." The Holy Scriptures are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God’s acts in history.” To end-time followers of Jesus, the Bible is the acid test for all teachings, personal experience, the measure of Christian character, and is the authentic record of historical events presented from Genesis to Revelation. We do not take the Bible in part, but in whole. We do not submit to God in part, but in whole.

Because the same Bible itself requires us to “quench not the Spirit,” “despise not prophesyings,” and to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21. We are not, by an unreceptive attitude, to block the Holy Spirit's work, even if it comes to us in a channel that we did not expect. We are not to despise prophesyings, whether they come to us through the Bible or some other means. We are to test all things. We are evaluate them and lay them up alongside the Bible to verify whether they match its teachings or not. “To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. We cannot “hold fast that which is good” if we cannot determine that which is good. The Bible is given to us as our standard.


So now that we have a standard, can the Holy Spirit still work among Gods people, can they be given visions and a message to bear to the world?
Jesus directly prophesied of this, knowing that the issue of prophecy would be a big test for those in the last days: "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:11. For added emphasis, God gave these words to John: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1John 4:1.

Of course Ellen White is no exception and inspired word must be compare to the Holy Scriptures. We must test them, prove all things; and hold fast that which is good. If we are not clear on any point we must pray and ask our Father in heaven, and he will send his Spirit to guide us into all truth.

After the Crusades and Dark Ages , nearly all who called themselves 'Christians' had were afraid of-set against anyone who claimed to have revelations from God. They usually quoted Revelation 22:18-19 to prove their point: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

But is this saying that after John died that there would be no more prophets from God? If so, why would Jesus have us beware of 'false' prophets? Why did the Holy Spirit thru John say to test the spirits? Wouldn't all this be so much easier if we knew just to ignore all those after John who claimed to have words from God? But that isn't God's plan. He gives new truth when needed, and makes his will known, and the true in heart will check to see that it is true, and then joyfully accept and follow it. Of course Satan will be allowed to work too, so we must be diligent.
The Holy Spirit thru Paul asks some very important questions in 1Corinthians 12. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have the gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Then he declares that he will show unto us a "more excellent way", saying the gifts are of no benefit to us if we do not have Love. This is also the testimony of Jesus.

In 1Corinthians 14, he goes a step further by telling us to "Pursue love, and desire spiritual (gifts), but especially that you may prophesy." "Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues." So we must not fight or try to block if it is the Holy Spirit trying work and message for the end of time.

"Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1Thessalonians 5:19-21.

 

[djconklin]

Very good! Keep it up!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

1 Thessalonians 5:19
19 Quench not the Spirit.

The Protestant Reformation has as one of its basis the teaching of “sola Scriptura,” “the Bible only.” For the Seventh-day Adventists, “The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will." The Holy Scriptures are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God’s acts in history.” To end-time followers of Jesus, the Bible is the acid test for all teachings, personal experience, the measure of Christian character, and is the authentic record of historical events presented from Genesis to Revelation. We do not take the Bible in part, but in whole. We do not submit to God in part, but in whole.

Because the same Bible itself requires us to “quench not the Spirit,” “despise not prophesyings,” and to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21. We are not, by an unreceptive attitude, to block the Holy Spirit's work, even if it comes to us in a channel that we did not expect. We are not to despise prophesyings, whether they come to us through the Bible or some other means. We are to test all things. We are evaluate them and lay them up alongside the Bible to verify whether they match its teachings or not. “To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. We cannot “hold fast that which is good” if we cannot determine that which is good. The Bible is given to us as our standard.


So now that we have a standard, can the Holy Spirit still work among Gods people, can they be given visions and a message to bear to the world?
Jesus directly prophesied of this, knowing that the issue of prophecy would be a big test for those in the last days: "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:11. For added emphasis, God gave these words to John: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1John 4:1.

Of course Ellen White is no exception and inspired word must be compare to the Holy Scriptures. We must test them, prove all things; and hold fast that which is good. If we are not clear on any point we must pray and ask our Father in heaven, and he will send his Spirit to guide us into all truth.

After the Crusades and Dark Ages , nearly all who called themselves 'Christians' had were afraid of-set against anyone who claimed to have revelations from God. They usually quoted Revelation 22:18-19 to prove their point: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

But is this saying that after John died that there would be no more prophets from God? If so, why would Jesus have us beware of 'false' prophets? Why did the Holy Spirit thru John say to test the spirits? Wouldn't all this be so much easier if we knew just to ignore all those after John who claimed to have words from God? But that isn't God's plan. He gives new truth when needed, and makes his will known, and the true in heart will check to see that it is true, and then joyfully accept and follow it. Of course Satan will be allowed to work too, so we must be diligent.
The Holy Spirit thru Paul asks some very important questions in 1Corinthians 12. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have the gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Then he declares that he will show unto us a "more excellent way", saying the gifts are of no benefit to us if we do not have Love. This is also the testimony of Jesus.

In 1Corinthians 14, he goes a step further by telling us to "Pursue love, and desire spiritual (gifts), but especially that you may prophesy." "Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues." So we must not fight or try to block if it is the Holy Spirit trying work and message for the end of time.

"Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1Thessalonians 5:19-21.

who is quenching the Holy Spirt

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Reddog wrote:

But is this saying that after John died that there would be no more prophets from God? If so, why would Jesus have us beware of 'false' prophets? Why did the Holy Spirit thru John say to test the spirits? Wouldn't all this be so much easier if we knew just to ignore all those after John who claimed to have words from God?

Interesting so you assertion is that Jesus, who probably said those words about false prophets shortly before He died in say 34 A.D should have specified who the last prophet was to be. I would go so far as to say it would have been nice if He had listed the books that should have been accepted by all Christians into a canon of scripture too. Wouldn't that be nice then instead of anonymous books we today find in the New Testament. Jesus could have told us who was going to write them and when and then how they should be gathered together.

Life would be so much easier if we did not have to use our brains, but somehow I don't think that was every Jesus' message.

 

[reddogs]

Comprehension is the key, Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit so it would comfort us in trying times and help guide us especially in the worst of times when his angels will release the winds of strife:

Acts 2:17
'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

 

[reddogs]

The Holy Spirit will be poured out in the "Last Days" and many will get it in many forms including spritual gifts:
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"...In the basic New Testament lists of spiritual gifts the "prophetic gift" is listed as second-between that of apostles (first) and that of teachers (third). See 1 Corinthians 12:28-30; Ephesians 4:11. The gift did not usurp the role of the apostles, but its function affected the apostles at times as well as the church membership in general. Some of the apostles were themselves endowed with this gift. The activities of persons so endowed in NT times may be summarized as follows:
1. They were commissioned at times to forewarn of coming difficulties (Acts 11:27-30; 20:23; 21:10-14). In the first instance (Acts 11) the warning of coming famine resulted in a brotherly bonding of the Gentile Christians in Antioch with the Jewish Christians in Judea. The former, contrary to ethnic customs, willingly sent relief to their Jewish brothers in Christ.
2. Through the gift the foreign mission outreach of the church was initiated (Acts 13:1, 2). It also had a part in directing where the early missionaries were to labor (Acts 16:6-10). In Paul's second missionary tour it is noted that he was accompanied by Silas, a prophet (Acts 16:40).
3. In a doctrinal crisis the gift functioned to encourage and to confirm the membership in the true doctrine. The crisis pertained to the relationship of the Jewish ritual to the salvation of Gentile Christians. A large church council made a decision in harmony with the Spirit's directive (Acts 15), although the decision was not inwardly accepted by all. The controversy had broken out in Antioch to which church the decision of the council was related by letter. Judas and Silas ministered for a time to this group: "And Judas and Silas, who were themselves prophets, exhorted [parakaleo, appeal to, urge, exhort, encourage] the brethren with many words and strengthened [confirmed, KJV; episterizo, strengthen] them" (Acts 15:32, RSV).
4. The prophets built up, encouraged, and consoled the church. "He who prophesies speaks to men for their upbuilding, (oikodome, metaphorically, 'building up the spiritual life') and encouragement [paraklesis, encouragement, exhortation] and consolation [paramuthia, encouragement, comfort, consolation]" (1 Cor 14:3, RSV).
5. The prophets tended (along with the other gifts) to unify the church in the true faith and to protect it from false doctrines. "And his gifts were . . . until we all attain to the unity of the faith . . . so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles" (Eph 4:11-15, RSV).
6. The prophets along with the apostles assisted in founding the church. "You are . . . built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone" (Eph 2:20, RSV; cf. 3:5; 4:11).
"The couplet `apostles and prophets' may bring together the Old Testament (prophets) and New Testament (apostles) as the basis of the Church's teaching. But the inverted order of the words (not 'prophets and apostles' but 'apostles and prophets') suggests that probably New Testament prophets are meant. If so, their bracketing with the apostles as the Church's foundation is significant. The reference must again be to a small group of inspired teachers, associated with the apostles, who together bore witness to Christ and whose teaching was derived from revelation (Eph 3:5) and was foundational" (John R. W. Stott, God's New Society [Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1979], 107. For a similar viewpoint, see The Expositor's Greek Testament, W. R. Nicoll, ed. [Grand Rapids, MI: Wm B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, reprint 1961], 3:299, 300).

The Continuance of the Prophetic Gift
As we have already noted, the NT does set forth a doctrine of "spiritual gifts," or charismata, "gifts of grace" (1 Cor 12; Eph 4). These endowments by the Holy Spirit upon individual members of the church are to "equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ" (Eph 4:12, RSV). "As each has received a gift," he is to employ it in the service of the church and thus assist in forwarding its work in the earth (1 Pet 4:10, 11, RSV; cf. Rom 12:6, 7).
Since the gifts are to be continuously bestowed as the Spirit sees fit "until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ . . ." (Eph 4:13, RSV), it is obvious that the gifts are intended to function until the church has completed its ministry and human probation has closed.
There is no evidence in Scripture that God ever intends to withdraw the prophetic gift or any of the other gifts this side of the Second Coming (cf. 1 Cor 13:8-12). There is, instead, the OT prophecy of Joel 2:28-32 which is repeated by Peter (Acts 2:16-21) foretelling an end-time outpouring of the Holy Spirit and a resultant activity of spiritual gifts. In that connection it is appropriate to note that false prophets will be active in the end-time as well (Mat 24:24)...." The Biblical Basis for a Modern Prophet

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Comprehension is the key, Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit so it would comfort us in trying times and help guide us especially in the worst of times when his angels will release the winds of strife:

Acts 2:17
'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

Interestingly despite the misuse of this scripture it refers to the New Testament times. We have been in the last days for 2000 years. Unfortunately this early rain and latter rain concept is without Biblical authority it is a recent development for more see the following:
http://newprotestants.com/latterrain.htm

 

[reddogs]

1. Acts 2:17
   " 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
   Acts 2:16-18 (in Context) Acts 2 (Whole Chapter)
2. 2 Timothy 3:1
   [ Godlessness in the Last Days ] But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
   2 Timothy 3:1-3 (in Context) 2 Timothy 3 (Whole Chapter)
3. Hebrews 1:2
   but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
   Hebrews 1:1-3 (in Context) Hebrews 1 (Whole Chapter)
4. James 5:3
   Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.
   James 5:2-4 (in Context) James 5 (Whole Chapter)
5. 2 Peter 3:3
   First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
   2 Peter 3:2-4 (in Context) 2 Peter 3 (Whole Chapter)
6. Daniel 8:17
   As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end."
   Daniel 8:16-18 (in Context) Daniel 8 (Whole Chapter)
7. Daniel 8:19
   He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.
   Daniel 8:18-20 (in Context) Daniel 8 (Whole Chapter)
8. Daniel 11:35
   Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
   Daniel 11:34-36 (in Context) Daniel 11 (Whole Chapter)
9. Daniel 12:1
   [ The End Times ] "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
   Daniel 12:1-3 (in Context) Daniel 12 (Whole Chapter)
10. Daniel 12:4
    But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."
    Daniel 12:3-5 (in Context) Daniel 12 (Whole Chapter)
11. Daniel 12:9
    He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.
    Daniel 12:8-10 (in Context) Daniel 12 (Whole Chapter)

The Bible is very clear when it comes to or about the last days and time of the end, I dont think there is a misunderstanding on what it meant as Christ himself laid it out..

Matthew 24:3-31

3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

The Bible is very clear when it comes to or about the last days and time of the end, I dont think there is a misunderstanding on what it meant as Christ himself laid it out..

That is true for Christ in Matt 24 describes the world from the time of the destruction of Jerusalem to the second coming. It all fits into the New Testament use of the term last days. which even in your quotes we can see it is often used in the present tense such as " but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son". But then Jesus was not teaching the new concept of the latter rain either.

 

[reddogs]

So you dont think the Holy Spirit can communicate or give us any more prophecy, a strict adherant to 'Sola Scriptura'?

Defining 'Sola Scriptura': "Bible Only"

1. Latin: "Sola" = Alone
2. Latin: "Scriptura" = Scriptures
3. Latin: "Sola Scriptura" = Bible Only

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by scripture alone") is the assertion that the Bible as God's written word is self-authenticating, clear (perspicuous) to the rational reader, its own interpreter ("Scripture interprets Scripture"), and sufficient of itself to be the only source of Christian doctrine.
Sola scriptura was a foundational doctrinal principle of the Protestant Reformation held by the reformer Martin Luther and is a definitive principle of Protestants today (see Five solas)
Sola scriptura may be contrasted with Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox teaching, in which the Bible must be interpreted by church teaching, by considering the bible in the context of Sacred Tradition, and with the concept of modern revelations and prophecies in the Charismatic movement.