Quantum Immortality Test

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I remember reading about the death of John de Lancie…
Then he is alive.

You just have an ordinary memory and an over-active imagination. Unfortunately, the latter tends to corrupt the former. When a memory is recalled, it is as labile as when it was first established, so any embellishments, doubts, or imagined differences concerning it have a chance of being incorporated or associated with the original memory trace. IOW, dwelling on imagined differences in your memories only makes things worse.

 

[Kylie]

Star Trek is art

So don't treat it as a valid source of real world science.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

everyone is sure this is happening

you should probably not think everyone is delusional

hence this is happening

A few obsessives think it's happening; your bubble is not the world. Most people accept that we make mistakes.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Whenever I hear about Mandela Effects they are anything but dramatic, which makes me always ask why isn’t it ever something dramatic? It’s always something like a punctuation mark, but it’s never something like Wayne Gretzky being the Prince of Wales instead of a former hockey player. It’s telling that what always counts as a Mandela Effect is something that non-dramatically fits what cases of false memory are.

Also, doesn’t both chaos theory, and the butterfly effect lead to huge changes not tiny ones? So why would your name change example always be something like Clark vs Clarke instead of Clark vs Dominic?

Yes; it's generally consistent with our fuzzy recall of trivial things being modified by our expectations.

 

[JohnEmmett]

So don't treat it as a valid source of real world science.

I rely on insight and logic

 

[JohnEmmett]

You just have an ordinary memory and an over-active imagination.

you can't measure my memory


however, I can measure your closed mind


you are not considering this idea

 

[JohnEmmett]

Most people accept that we make mistakes.

Not knowing your ignorance is flaw. -Laozi

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Not knowing your ignorance is flaw. -Laozi

Quite.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

you can't measure my memory

however, I can measure your closed mind

you are not considering this idea

I've considered it. In my considered opinion, it's bollocks - and there is a well-established empirical explanation that explains the observations far better.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I've considered it. In my considered opinion, it's bollocks

you should approach it from a position of ignorance


because that is where you start from


instead you are approaching it from knowing it is false

 

[Ophiolite]

you should approach it from a position of ignorance

This is a good stance. The mistake you often seem to make is to finish it, whatever it happens to be, still in a position of ignorance. Not the most productive approach.

 

[JohnEmmett]

This is a good stance. The mistake you often seem to make is to finish it, whatever it happens to be, still in a position of ignorance. Not the most productive approach.

I am aware of far more than anyone


within this discussion

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

you should approach it from a position of ignorance

because that is where you start from

instead you are approaching it from knowing it is false

When I first heard about the Mandela effect, some years ago, I did approach it from a position of ignorance - I had no alternative!

When I considered the observed phenomenon, it was almost immediately clear that it was a well-known memory phenomenon with an empirically demonstrable explanation.

Other universes may well 'exist', and - given an infinity of universes, universes identical to ours but with trivial differences in their timelines. However, there is no indication that we will ever be able to detect other universes, let alone interact with them (the theories that posit their existence say no), and the idea of individuals unwittingly moving between them is pure science fiction.

But, let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you could randomly and unwittingly move between alternate universes without even noticing; the chances of your encountering a universe where your material body could exist for a millisecond would seem infinitesimally remote if the String Theory landscape is any guide.

But let's further assume, for the sake of argument, that the String Theory landscape is not a guide, and all the universes are spacetime universes with similar matter density and energy distribution to our own... In that multiverse, the number of universes identical in all respects similar to our own, except for some trivial change in candy wrapper spelling, or life/death of some individual would still be infinitesimal compared to all the universes with major differences, e.g. without the solar system, or the Earth, etc.

But let's further assume, for the sake of argument, that all those universes were identical to our own except for some extremely trivial differences... the chance of someone randomly and unwittingly moving between them and arriving in a time and place exactly corresponding to the time and place of her departure from the previous universe would be infinitesimally remote.

But let's further assume, for the sake of argument, that you would (somehow) always transfer to the corresponding time and place in the alternate universe... well, then you would literally bump into your alternate self - or materialise in the same space, which wouldn't be good.

The alternative would be for the alternate you in the alternate universe to swap universes with you, just by chance, at exactly the same time that you arrived... the chances of that happening are also infinitesimally small you'd need to multiply that by the probabilities of each of you moving to the other's universe squared...

So it might make for exciting plotlines in comic-book science-fiction, but it's really pure fantasy.

 

[JohnEmmett]

but it's really pure fantasy.

you could say life is pure fantasy because it is so unlikely


however this does not mean life is false

 

[JohnEmmett]

But let's further assume, for the sake of argument, that you would (somehow) always transfer to the corresponding time and place in the alternate universe…

the timelines are close to each other and many in number


the similarity is high and we naturally shift


the Internet (communication) is a factor

 

[Vap841]

Was Shazam a movie or wasn’t it lol?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Was Shazam a movie or wasn’t it lol?

Retcon

 

[Kylie]

I rely on insight and logic

Logic should be telling you that the well-documented and repeatable fact that memory is fickle is the most likely explanation. Not jumping across universes.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Logic should be telling you that the well-documented and repeatable fact that memory is fickle is the most likely explanation. Not jumping across universes.

I know people's names have changed.

People I knew.

 

[Kylie]

I know people's names have changed.

People I knew.

This does not disprove what I said.