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What the bible says is a time, times, half times. Part of the Jews will flee into the wilderness in time. But there are part who don't, and those are the ones in Revelation 12:14 and in Zechariah 14 in Jerusalem.but once Israel makes it unto the Wilderness, this attempt to kill them CEASES RIGHT? Thus the TROUBLES are reduced from Fleeing for ones lives, unto enduring the Wilderness for 1260 Days !!
Go and reread the parable of the wheat [good seed] and the tares [evil seed] ,and you will see that they grown in the field TOGETHER until the coming of Jesus who will separate the good seed from the evil seed. ....And the Wheat (Israel, whom Jesus was SENT UNTO ONLY) is still on the earth for the Second Coming, along with the TARES, meanwhile the Church is Raptured, so they CAN NOT GROW with the Tares until the end can they?
The point being that it does not matter if the death is caused from natural death or under torture ...as it was the case for the Apostles who have been delivered ...He that ENDURETH is speaking of enduring in the faith until one dies...The END of ones life.
The rapture is only a caught up and gathering of the believers resurrected or if still alive UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS.to meet Jesus in the Air UNTO His Coming....Jesus will send His angels to gather the believers who will rule with Him at Jerusalem during the 1,000 years [Revelation 20:4-6]And Jesus gave the Rapture Ministry to Paul, not Matthew or any other Jews, he gave it unto the Disciple of the Gentiles.
Noah and his family have not been taken out of the Earth....Loth and his family have not been taken out of the Earth.But the Rapture IS THERE...Matthew 24:36-51.
You're right I don't get prophecy easily..... until I learned to just read what it says and then don't make anything up. I used to kind of believe like you but no more. If you read any of my posts, you will find that I believe very little what the masses believe as I think most of it is wrong. However, the good thing is I like to believe exactly what it says without making a bunch of stuff up.You guys just don't get Prophecy easily for some reason, maybe that is because you don't put in enough study, or you rely on other peoples "ideas" or traditions of men.
Here's where I differ from most posters. I like to go by what the Bible says without making things up. So you're saying that this is not about END TIMES. Why would it not be about end times? The disciples ask when will these thing be, and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?This is not about the END TIMES, I spent over a year studying this chapter in depth and Jesus is not mentioning the end times here, nor is he mentioning the Anti-Christ nor False Prophet as a matter of fact IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, these three mentions of false christs, false prophets and false christs and false prophets are three distinct time periods, and thus Jesus mentions it three separate times, but only once does he mention them doing miracles/wonders and that's in verse 24. Just the facts the Jesus tells the Disciples in verse 9 that they are going to be delivered up to be killed should tell you this is passage you think is END TIMES can not be end times !!
Sorry Amigo. Jesus is talking about the the Temple that will not have one stone left upon another. That would have to be the third Temple, the end time Temple.So where do you make your error in judgment in that first passage Matt. 24:1-6? You make it by not understanding Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Temple, and thus it has to be the first thing he explains unto them. He wants them to know the end is NOT YET...In other Gospels he says its BY AND BY.
Jesus is not talking about an event less than 40 years away (the destruction of the Temple in 70AD) and then saying......hey....the end is not yet. He is talking about end time events.The Messiah is to come and save Israel from the Fourth Beast/Little Horn according to the Scriptures, everyone knew Rome was the Fourth Beast in Jesus' time as we do today, they just did not know the Little Horn would arise some 2000 odd years later, they expected him 2000 years ago. Thus Jesus wanted his Disciples to understand Zechariah 14 was NOT AT HAND when Rome sacks Jerusalem in 70 AD.....Thus he says THE END IS NOT YET !!
The Temples destruction is the third Temple when one stone will not be left upon another. There will be no wailing wall.Why does he say that? Because Jerusalem gets attacked/sacked when the Anti-Christ Conquers them also, but that is an END TIMES EVENT, that is not here, this is seemingly what confuses you. You think Jesus is sating the end is a few years later, that not it at all, the first mention is the SACKING of Jerusalem and the TEMPLES DESTRUCTION. Thus the end is not yet but by and by.
So you have the Seals as being Matthew chapter 24 1-13-14 when it is not. The Tribulation Period is shown starting in verse 15 and runs through verse 31, the Second Coming.
The Temples destruction is the third Temple when one stone will not be left upon another. There will be no wailing wall.
LOL. Yeah I've heard this nonsense before. Herod, though he did not finish the wall....no doubt had a large part of it built before his death.Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
The area now known as the "wailing wall" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia.
During recent years well-known Israeli archeologist Eli Shukron found a Roman coin underground at the bottom of the "wailing wall" which was dated about 17 AD.
Therefore, it could not be a part of Herod's temple.
During 73 AD the Jewish leader at Masada said the only thing left of Jerusalem was that built by the Romans.
The area now known as the "Temple Mount" is about the same size and shape of other Roman forts built during that time.
See the link below.
The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia
Read the recent book "Temple" by Robert Cornuke.
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LOL. Yeah I've heard this nonsense before. Herod, though he did not finish the wall....no doubt had a large part of it built before his death.
I only need to know one thing........the Jews believe that this is part of the Temple or Temple court. I'm pretty sure they would not be visiting that wall constantly if it was a Roman fort. I have to believe if it was a Roman fort the Jews would want it torn down. Instead they visit and pray constantly. That tells me what the truth is.
I don't care about the WHITE......I understand a White Horse throughout history has stood for Conquering, did you know that? Thus this Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer just as Jesus will at the end, BUT....There are key differences. This man on the White Horse has a different crown on his head, there is a different word used for crown in this chapter, it means TWINE or a crown won via a prize being won, whereas the word used in Rev. ch. 19 means a ROYAL CROWN, why do you think they used two different words?Try as you might, you will not find ONE WORD about the first seal that even hints of evil. John used white 17 times in Revelation: Read through these and see if John uses "white" any other time to represent something evil:
I agree that "The Remnant" church will flee to the mountains as seen below, as the future abomination of desolation takes place, they will be fed "Manna" as in the days of old. Revelation 12:6
I believe they will be preaching the gospel, as the plagues of the two witnesses takes place.
Times I don't see a church running around scared, as the antichrist is on the christian hunt. I believe Revelation 14:6-12 paints a good picture, as the remnant church and two witnesses are holding the Jerusalem fort for the Lord, "All Plagues" as often as they will.
Men tormented for five months and they wont be able to die? Revelation 9:1-6
Micah 7:12-16 KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
Yes, but once MANY DIE and the 1/3 are SAVED/Protected by God the GREATEST TROUBLES would be a past event. I know you see my point. SMILE....What the bible says is a time, times, half times. Part of the Jews will flee into the wilderness in time. But there are part who don't, and those are the ones in Revelation 12:14 and in Zechariah 14 in Jerusalem.
That is the point I made, Israel remains on the earth just like the TARES...Thus Israel is the WHEAT, whereas the Church is Raptured.Go and reread the parable of the wheat [good seed] and the tares [evil seed] ,and you will see that they grown in the field TOGETHER until the coming of Jesus who will separate the good seed from the evil seed. ....
The good seed is defined as the CHILDREN of God thus ALL THE BELIEVERS WHO KEEP THE FAITH IN JESUS.
Obviously the good seed [Children of God] are from the Church ..there is no mention that someone from the good seed will be removed before the harvest at the Coming of Jesus.
Well it wouldn't matter, unless someone was trying to infer that these are the end times, then it would matter, because the END might be seen as a Tribulation event, if you catch my drift. THIS IS NOT A END TIME EVENT !!The point being that it does not matter if the death is caused from natural death or under torture ...as it was the case for the Apostles who have been delivered ...
The Second Coming and the Rapture are TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS !! It just is and will not change.The rapture is only a caught up and gathering of the believers resurrected or if still alive UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS.to meet Jesus in the Air UNTO His Coming....Jesus will send His angels to gather the believers who will rule with Him at Jerusalem during the 1,000 years [Revelation 20:4-6]
Noah and his family have not been taken out of the Earth....Loth and his family have not been taken out of the Earth.
What Matthew 24:36-51 tell us is about the destruction of the wicked unto the Coming of Jesus [Matthew 24:29-31]....Jesus will send His angels to caught up and gather the believers to where Jesus will be ie in the air over the valley of Meggiddo [Armageddon] while Jesus will destroy the wicked [those who have taken the mark]assembled along the armies at Armageddon Revelation 16:14-16...Revelation 19:11-21
Revelation 19:17
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid heaven, Come [and] be gathered together unto the great supper of God; 18 that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit thereon, and the flesh of ALL men, BOTH Free and Bond, and Small and Great.
You are following MEN'S TRADITIONS, the Holy Spirit will not led us astray. The Holy Word is not for the world to understand, that's for sure.You're right I don't get prophecy easily..... until I learned to just read what it says and then don't make anything up. I used to kind of believe like you but no more. If you read any of my posts, you will find that I believe very little what the masses believe as I think most of it is wrong. However, the good thing is I like to believe exactly what it says without making a bunch of stuff up.
When will WHAT THINGS BE? Put it together man. (Verse 3 below)Here's where I differ from most posters. I like to go by what the Bible without making things up. So you're saying that this is not about END TIMES. Why would it not be about end times? The disciples ask when will these thing be, and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
No, another false flag because you do not understand the wailing wall is not a part of the Temple.Sorry Amigo. Jesus is talking about the the Temple that will not have one stone left upon another. That would have to be the third Temple, the end time Temple.
Just not a fact...............study more, pray more.............It will come to you.
The time of Jacob's troubles and the great tribulation are over when Jesus Returns.Yes, but once MANY DIE and the 1/3 are SAVED/Protected by God the GREATEST TROUBLES would be a past event. I know you see my point. SMILE....
The time of Jacob's troubles and the great tribulation are over when Jesus Returns.
I don't put dates on a calendar for any of the following. But this is the framework of the 7 year timeline....................once the 7 years begin.
The two witnesses' 1260 days on the timeline is tied to the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 which takes place before the war in heaven. After the war in heaven is the time, times, half times.
Which would put the 1260 days in the first half of the 7 years.
And the time, times, half times in the second half of the 7 years.
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The 42 months of the Gentiles treading Jerusalem for 42 months is tied to the 42 months that the beast rules in Revelation 13:5 without being impeded by the two witnesses who will be gone from the earth.
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The time, times, half times in Daniel 12:7 is tied to Revelation 12:14 when Satan will be cast down, having great wrath, who persecutes the remanent of the woman for the time, times, half times.
Which also the time, times, half times of Daniel 7:25 is tied to that same period of Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 12:14.
The time of Jacob's troubles and the great tribulation are over when Jesus Returns.
when the day of the Lord occurs, the great tribulation will be finished - for the elect only. They are gathered. the great tribulation continues on for the people who follow the antichrist & false prophet.
There is a difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. There will be a pretribulation rapture for church and a prewrath rapture for the 12 tribes.
You're right I don't get prophecy easily..... until I learned to just read what it says and then don't make anything up. I used to kind of believe like you but no more. If you read any of my posts, you will find that I believe very little what the masses believe as I think most of it is wrong. However, the good thing is I like to believe exactly what it says without making a bunch of stuff up.
Here's where I differ from most posters. I like to go by what the Bible says without making things up. So you're saying that this is not about END TIMES. Why would it not be about end times? The disciples ask when will these thing be, and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Does Jesus say...ok, I'll tell you.......less than 40 years from now there will not be one stone upon another except for the wailing wall. No, He doesn't say that. He answers their question about when there will not be one stone upon another, when he is coming and the end of the world.....END TIMES.....just like it says.
Sorry Amigo. Jesus is talking about the the Temple that will not have one stone left upon another. That would have to be the third Temple, the end time Temple.
Jesus is not talking about an event less than 40 years away (the destruction of the Temple in 70AD) and then saying......hey....the end is not yet. He is talking about end time events.
The Temples destruction is the third Temple when one stone will not be left upon another. There will be no wailing wall.
Matt 24 mirrors the seals..........plain and simple. Let me guess. In all of your studies, you have not figured out that Matt 24 and Mark 13 do not mirror Luke 21.
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
There is a difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. There will be a pretribulation rapture for church and a prewrath rapture for the 12 tribes.
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