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Putting events in Revelation in chronological order?
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This is MYTH. You cannot find what no Christian believer since Paul has found. There is no redoing of the plagues.
I will change my mind if you can show us a scripture that proves this.
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First off......I certainly understand that the end is not yet.
Matt 24
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
We can tell that is the case as he tells us that in verse 6. There are plenty more verses to go before the end.
I went back and read Revelation chapter 4 and 5 and didn't learn anything new.
Please provide specifics as to how these chapters change anything that I have said.......and I will disassemble it for you.
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The 70th Week Of Daniel Covenant [supposedly a future peace covenant deception]
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The 70th Week Of Daniel Covenant Deception
This study will show you how the “covenant” in the prophecy of the 70 Weeks of Daniel was confirmed by the Messiah.
The reason this is so very important is that many Pastors teach that it refers to an end-times Antichrist making a peace covenant with Israel.
The framework for the concepts of the pre-tribulation rapture, the 7-year tribulation period, the need for a rebuilt Jewish temple, the antichrist desecrating the temple,
and the 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation; are ALL based on the premise that the
covenant in Daniel 9:27 is created by an end-times Antichrist.
By proving that it was Messiah coming to confirm the covenant made to Abraham, the premise of it applying to a future antichrist is invalidated.
And thus, the foundation for all of these end-times concepts is destroyed.
What is being taught today about Daniel’s 70th Week is contrary to what has been taught by the top Bible scholars.
Top Bible commentators like Albert Barnes, John Calvin, Adam Clarke, John Gill, Matthew Henry, Matthew Poole and others; all teach that Jesus confirmed the covenant that is referenced in Daniel 9:27, and they all teach that Jesus and His disciples completely fulfilled the 70th Week of Daniel prophecy.
Old Testament prophets foretold Jesus offering a covenant for the sins of men. The New Testament repeatedly confirms that Jesus offered a New Covenant to the House of Israel, and to all who believe in His atoning work on the cross of Calvary, which occurred in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel when He was “cut off.”
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that an Antichrist will make a peace agreement with the modern state of Israel… yet that is what is being taught by pastors.
They speculate about a future fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel featuring a one-man Antichrist, because they don’t understand it’s past fulfillment by Jesus Christ.
The context of the 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy is NOT about the end-times.
The context of the passage is about Daniel’s people, the Jews, who were due to be released from Babylonian captivity, and Daniel had been praying about their future.
In the passage, God told Daniel (through His angel) that He was giving the Jews one last chance to repent of their sins, to reconcile with God, and to prepare for their coming Messiah, who would arrive in the 70th week of the prophecy.
The prophecy of the 70 Weeks of Daniel told the Jews EXACTLY what year the Messiah would appear.
Jesus disciples understood the timing of the prophecy and were expecting Him, as witnessed when Andrew told his brother Simon, “we have found the Messiah.”
Satan used the hard hearts of the Jewish leaders to hide it from them, which caused them to reject Jesus and deliver Him up to be crucified.
To understand the context of the prophecy, read the complete chapter of Daniel 9.
The focus of this study is Daniel 9:27: “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
The Covenant of Jesus is a perfect fit with the prophecy of Daniel’s 70 Weeks.
Many modern teachers say that the pronoun ‘he’ represents an end-time antichrist who makes a peace covenant with Israel. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Antichrist will make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone, let alone Israel.
The pronoun ‘he’ is referring to the previous noun, ‘prince’, from verse 26.
The prince is Jesus, as the word prince (nagiyd) in verse 26 is the same as in verse 25 which declares the arrival of Messiah the Prince (Jesus).
There are many verses that point to Jesus confirming a covenant during His ministry, which took place during the first half of the 70th Week of Daniel.
‘And He(Jesus) said to them, “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28
In these words we find four things which agree with the prophecy of Daniel 9:27:
“the One” who was to confirm the covenant, Jesus the Messiah;
“the covenant” itself, the renewed covenant made with Abraham;
that which “confirmed” the covenant, the blood of Christ;
those who receive the benefits of the covenant, the “many” who believe in Him as their Messiah.
These words correspond perfectly with those of the prophecy. “He shall confirm the covenant with many.”
Here’s more verses that testify that Jesus shed blood confirmed the New Covenant, which redeemed many.
Zechariah 2:11 “Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.”
Through Jesus, the promise to make Abraham a “father of many nations” was fulfilled, as Jesus disciples spread the gospel to many nations.
Isaiah 53:11 says, “He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.“
Matthew 20:28 says, “just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.“
Romans 5:15 says, “But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.”
Romans 5:19 says, “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.”
Scripture tells us that it is Christ who confirmed the covenant.
Romans 15:8 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ was sent to confirm the promised made unto Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc.
“Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.”
Galatians 3:13-18 tells us that the covenant was confirmed before of God in Christ.
“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.”
The word “confirm” tells us that the covenant already existed.
Many teachers says that the Antichrist will “create” or “make” a covenant with Israel, indicating the beginning of a covenant.
But God’s word says “confirm” (also rendered “strengthen“), which tells us that the covenant was previously established.
The Father made a covenant with Abraham that He would provide a lamb for their sins, Jesus Christ, the Passover Lamb of God.
“And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.” Genesis 22:7
John the Baptist identified Messiah as the fulfillment of that promise to Abraham:
“The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
Because Abraham believed by faith, God blessed his descendants who believe in the Messiah by faith.
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Do you understand, people have been trying to prove your theory here for centuries and none have succeeded?
Sorry, my friend, but Daniel 9:27 simply does not fit what Jesus did. As much as you wish to make what He did stop the daily sacrifices, it did not. They kept on and on and on.
Daniel did NOT write that Jesus was cut off in the 70th week. He wrote that He would be cut of after the 69 week. People only imagine that means into the 70th. Yet the way Daniel wrote it, EVENTS come between the 69th week and the 70th. In other words, Daniel himself ADDED or wrote in a GAP.
In your theory, most of Revelation is history, when the intent of the Author is FUTURE. That must be a bad word for you, but it happens day after day.
I am guessing you don't see God in Israel becoming a nation again. Am I right?
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There is no GAP, the 70 Weeks of Daniel prophecy Daniel 9:23-27represented a period of time of 490 consecutive years...The Messiah arrived to begin His testimony [Jesus on a donkey entering Jerusalem] as predicted after the 69 TH WEEK....
The point is rather that Daniel 9:23-27 have nothing to do with Revelation 13 .
Daniel 7 about the Little Horn [a time..times and half a time] is what correspond to Revelation 13
The only reason that God allowed the creation of the actual APOSTATE State of Israel created in 1948 will be to fulfill Revelation 17 and Revelation 18 about the Great harlot Babylon -----The Woman who ride the Beast.
Revelation 17 and Revelation 18.
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Mar_15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(From the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
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From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
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You guys just don't get Prophecy easily for some reason, maybe that is because you don't put in enough study, or you rely on other peoples "ideas" or traditions of men. This is not about the END TIMES, I spent over a year studying this chapter in depth and Jesus is not mentioning the end times here, nor is he mentioning the Anti-Christ nor False Prophet as a matter of fact IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, these three mentions of false christs, false prophets and false christs and false prophets are three distinct time periods, and thus Jesus mentions it three separate times, but only once does he mention them doing miracles/wonders and that's in verse 24. Just the facts the Jesus tells the Disciples in verse 9 that they are going to be delivered up to be killed should tell you this passage that you think is END TIMES, can not be end times !!
So where is it that you make your error in judgment in that first passage Matt. 24:1-6? You make it by not understanding Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Temple, and thus it has to be the first thing he explains unto them. He wants them to know the end is NOT YET...In other Gospels he says its BY AND BY. The Messiah is supposed to come and save Israel from the Fourth Beast/Little Horn according to the Scriptures, everyone knew Rome was the Fourth Beast in Jesus' time as we do today, they just did not understand the Little Horn would arise some 2000 odd years later, they expected him 2000 years ago. Thus Jesus wanted his Disciples to understand Zechariah ch. 14 was NOT AT HAND when Rome sacks Jerusalem in 70 AD.....Thus he says THE END IS NOT YET !! Why does he say that? Because Jerusalem gets attacked/sacked when the Anti-Christ Conquers them also, but that is an END TIMES EVENT, that is not the event spoken of here, this is seemingly what confuses you. You think Jesus is stating the end is a few years later but that's not it at all, the first mention is the SACKING of Jerusalem and the TEMPLES DESTRUCTION. Thus the end is not yet but by and by.
The false christs mention here fulfills John 5:43, Jesus told the Scribes and Pharisees or Jewish leaders that they would not accept him who came in the Fathers name, but would receive another that came in his own name........
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
So this Prophecy was to THEM at that time !! Why would they receive others as the Messiah? Well they thought Rome was the Fourth Beast (and it was) thus they were expecting the Little Horn to come and destroy them thus OF COURSE once tensions with Rome started to heat up they tried to force Messiahs to the fore, they were "desperate" to be saved from Rome, but what they did not know was the Little Horn comes 2000 some odd years later. Thus Jesus warns his disciples, THIS IS NOT THE END...Why would he do that here? He doesn't want them returning to Jerusalem, thinking he has Returned like Zechariah ch. 14 promises he will do, to save Jerusalem/Israel, because if they return they no doubt would have been killed or taken away as prisoners like much of Jerusalem was. Thus he tells them the END IS NOT YET, ITS BY AND BY !! The Temple is to be destroyed in these passages, but the end comes later on.
So the wars and rumors of wars means they will HEAR OF THEM just like the scripture says !! They no doubt re told to STAY AWAY !!
Matt. 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Then in the very next verse Jesus tells of the 2000 year Church Age (70 AD to the Rapture) so to speak. That time period will of course have many FALSE PROPHETS over that period of time, and during this period of time most of the Disciples will die/be Martyred, just like verse 9 suggests. Thus the mention of the MANY WARS.....Of course !! Nation will rise against Nation and Kingdom against Kingdom, and over that 2000 some odd year period of course there will be many wars and earthquakes in many places, and famines and pestilences these are SORROWS, or Birth Pangs that foreshadow the end times, it is not the END TIMES, Birth Pangs tell of the coming child, not of the child its self.
The MANY FALSE PROPHETS were the Rabbis at first, then the David Koresh and Jim Jones types, thus they are mentioned as false prophets/preachers. They are many, even as we speak they are many everywhere we look. Then verse 9 says they shall deliver YOU(Disciples) up to be afflicted, they shall kill YOU(Disciples), and YE(Disciples) shall be hated of all nations for me sake.
So the END CAN'T BE that which you stated it was, the Disciples die afterwards. The Gospel has net yet been preached unto all the world either, when that happens, THEN THE END WILL COME or the Tribulation period/Jacobs Troubles to the Jews, which Jesus will transition to in verse 15. When Jesus speaks of those that ENDURE UNTIL THE END, he is speaking of enduring in the faith until the end of ones life, of course, just like Paul stated, we must run the full race to the end. We must endure unto the end, if we are lukewarm Jesus will cast us out of his mouth. The Rapture happens before the next event, but its not a main theme for Israel, of course anyone who is saved will be Raptured, but as for Israel, Jesus then starts telling them about the END TIMES, after the Gospel has been preached unto all the World.
He tells them when you see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, FLEE JUDEA, he of course has to be speaking to a REPENTED ISRAEL, else they would not heed his voice, would they? And God sends Elijah back BEFORE the day of the Lord (Malachi 4:5-6) to turn Israel back unto God. So 1/3 of the Jews escape to the Wilderness and 2/3 I guess fail to heed Jesus' words or can not make it to the Wilderness in time, we must remember Jews live all over the world, so once this happens in a flash, Jews in the USA and many other places will not have time to escape even if they have repented, thus they will be killed like the REMNANT CHURCH in chapter 12. (Rev. 12:17)
Then Jesus tells of the GREATEST TROUBLES EVER SEEN, this is the END TIMES, Jesus is not telling of false christs(vs. 5)......false prophets(vs. 11)......and False Christs and False Prophets(vs. 24) three different times !! That is what we get when we listen to men's traditions instead of God. Only in verse 24 are we told of Miracles and Wonders being done by these TWO MEN, the False Prophet and the Anti-Christ or Beast of Rev. ch. 13. notice the false CHRIST is capitalized here, because its speaking of a certain individual that is to come. And Jesus tells them they will do wonders and if it were possible they would deceive the VERY ELECT (Israel here) but it is not possible, as Jesus explained, because I have TOLD YOU BEFORE [What's going to happen] !! Then he tells them, do not listen to anyone saying they are Christ in the Desert or in the Secret Chambers, for I will come in the EASTERN SKIES and everyone will see me coming in the Clouds, so they know BEFORE TIME not to go out of their Protected Zone (Wilderness) else the Beast will kill them of course. He then says the Eagles (Church) will be where the Carcass is at in verse 28 see also......see Rev. 19......
Rev. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly (eagles in Matthew 24:28 = Church coming back with Jesus) in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
So the Church will be found at Armageddon, that is the Marriage Super, which proves the rapture happens before Armageddon, and the Church returns with Christ Jesus on White Horses, just like Rev. ch. 19 says.
So you have the Seals as being Matthew chapter 24 1-13-14 when it is not. The Tribulation Period is shown starting in verse 15 and runs through verse 31, the Second Coming.
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26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The blue scripture is a GAP. It comes after Jesus was cut off, but before the 70th week. Period and end of story. Daniel and the Holy Spirit put it there.
Yes, Rev. 13. On that we agree. But the same 3 1/2 years apply to the 1260 days of testifying, 1260 days of fleeing and the 42 months of trampling also.
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Riberra
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Your post needed a little adjustment about the text in Red and in Blue
Revelation 11:7-15
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that cometh up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 And from among the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations do [men] look upon their dead bodies three days and a half, and suffer not their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb.
10 And they that dwell on the earth rejoice over them, and make merry; and they shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth.
11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they went up into heaven in the cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second Woe is past: behold, the third Woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said,
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Fulfilled by Jesus....when Jesus died on the Cross in the middle of the 70 TH Week.
That is right a Gap of about 40 years after that Jesus was cut off in the Middle of the 70 TH WEEK...a generation as Jesus predicted in Matthew 24:1-20 for the destruction of the Temple and the City ---|who have happened during THAT GENERATION in 70 AD.]...
The 1,260 days of testifying will end -3 1/2 days- before the 7 TH Trumpet
Revelation 11:7-15
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that cometh up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 And from among the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations do [men] look upon their dead bodies three days and a half, and suffer not their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb.
10 And they that dwell on the earth rejoice over them, and make merry; and they shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth.
11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they went up into heaven in the cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second Woe is past: behold, the third Woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said,
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You are slacking on the Seals brother. By the way, your posting scriptures in no-wise means anything right? The Pharisees quoted scriptures to Jesus remember? But were not of God. That little endeavor has always amused me. Just make your point brother, we can agree to disagree if needed !!
The White Horse is a Conquering MAN...We can call him the Assyrian, the Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Man of Lawlessness, the coming Beast or the Anti-Christ, it matters not to me. And if you understood the way the KJV was written you would know when John says THAT ANTI-CHRIST he is pointing toward ONE MAN....Hence THAT Anti-Christ (GET IT?) Thus there are many against God and thus Anti-God and Anti Jesus but the one spoken of in that passage is THAT ANTI-CHRIST so this is a specific uttering. Likewise when we speak Anti-Christ we are speaking of a SPECIFIC MAN who is Anti-Christ, Anti-God and he is that Man of Sin/Little Horn !!
So there are MANY, as in Billions, that are anti-Christ/God but I am speaking of ONE MAN. Do not over analyze Brother.
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And the Wheat (Israel, whom Jesus was SENT UNTO ONLY) is still on the earth for the Second Coming, along with the TARES, meanwhile the Church is Raptured, so they CAN NOT GROW with the Tares until the end can they?
He that ENDURETH is speaking of enduring in the faith until one dies...The END of ones life.
And Jesus gave the Rapture Ministry to Paul, not Matthew or any other Jews, he gave it unto the Disciple of the Gentiles. But the Rapture IS THERE...Matthew 24:36-51.
Well we know the Church spreads the Gospel, so #2 goes without saying.
And #3 is Troubles or Tribulation, but I don't think the Greatest Troubles last for a long time as per Israel. Remember, we are speaking of Jacobs Troubles, IMHO, they last Seven Years, their Troubles go through the Peace and they are TROUBLED even in the Wilderness for 3.5 years in that they have to endure the Wilderness and some of their families no doubt did not make it unto the Wilderness, so this is Jacobs Troubles. Then you have Gods Wrath which is ALL 21 Judgments, the Seals, Trumpets and Vials of Gods Wrath. Then we have the GREATEST TROUBLES EVER Jesus spoke of, but once Israel makes it unto the Wilderness, this attempt to kill them CEASES RIGHT? Thus the TROUBLES are reduced from Fleeing for ones lives, unto enduring the Wilderness for 1260 Days !!
The Greatest Troubles spken of do not last 7 years or 3.5 years, they will only last a sliver of time until Israel gets unto the Wilderness Zone, there God Protects her........EXAMPLE BELOW:
If Jesse James and his crew came after you, shooting all the way, you would have been in dire straights back in the day, but if 20 U.S. Marshals placed you in jail and guarded you night and day, you would be safe. Why do you think Jesse James is going to GET AT YOU? God is going to protect Israel just like those 20 U.S. Marshall's, thus the GREATEST TROUBLES ARE OVER !!
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I agree that "The Remnant" church will flee to the mountains as seen below, as the future abomination of desolation takes place, they will be fed "Manna" as in the days of old. Revelation 12:6
I believe they will be preaching the gospel, as the plagues of the two witnesses takes place.
Times I don't see a church running around scared, as the antichrist is on the christian hunt. I believe Revelation 14:6-12 paints a good picture, as the remnant church and two witnesses are holding the Jerusalem fort for the Lord, "All Plagues" as often as they will.
Men tormented for five months and they wont be able to die? Revelation 9:1-6
Micah 7:12-16 KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
I believe they will be preaching the gospel, as the plagues of the two witnesses takes place.
Times I don't see a church running around scared, as the antichrist is on the christian hunt. I believe Revelation 14:6-12 paints a good picture, as the remnant church and two witnesses are holding the Jerusalem fort for the Lord, "All Plagues" as often as they will.
Men tormented for five months and they wont be able to die? Revelation 9:1-6
Micah 7:12-16 KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
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Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (Herod)
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(Christ)
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Mat 2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
Mat 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
The beginning of Revelation chapter 12 is a history lesson that includes the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of the "man-child", who is Christ.
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Try as you might, you will not find ONE WORD about the first seal that even hints of evil. John used white 17 times in Revelation: Read through these and see if John uses "white" any other time to represent something evil:
Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
John uses "white" for Godly things and righteousness 16 other times. And you are trying to tell us that in ONE instance, John and the Holy Spirit would use white for evil? THINK AGAIN.
If you are here to teach others, perhaps you should be sure you are teaching truth. Teachers will be held to a higher standard.
What you are doing is using human reasoning. And your reasoning was faulty. You imagine seal 1 is for our future, when God made it VERY clear that the first seals were opened as soon as Jesus ascended into heaven. This should be clear to any reader when they get to the 5th seal. They are martyrs of the CHURCH AGE. John has not yet even started the 70th week, much less arrived at the last half when the martyrs of the 70th week will begin to show up in heaven (chapter 15).
Do you forget that John saw this vision in the first century, almost 2000 years ago? John has the church age to cover before he begins writing of the 70th week. And the parallel is Matthew 24, where Jesus covers the church age by the phrase, "but the end is not yet." Jesus does not begin speaking of the end until verse 14.
STOP RUSHING THINGS in Revelation! The only seals that are future are seals 6 & 7. If I am "under-analyzing, then you are grossly under-analyzing. John was called up to see the "hereafter" but from his perspective the "hereafter" would begin about the second century AD.
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