Put down the hymns & pick up the RAP!

[Duce]

No disrespect to hymns or traditional music, but I am a firm believer that God can be glorified through all types of music. If you want a change of pace, then get the Lecrae "Real Talk: record at reachrecords.com.This CD is an amazing tool that can be used to witness to the hiphop generation. Again, Lecrae's CD "real Talk". Special shot outs to the 116 Clique.

 

[Simonline]

This is true, but only worship which 'worships him in Spirit and in Truth' is acceptable to God (Jn.4:24). Trendy and hip tunes and beat are no substitute for sound worship in Spirit and theological truth (and this applies to all forms of worship both ancient and modern).

Simonline.

 

[WeLikeSheep]

Hey Duce,

You could do a new show on the video channels: "Pimp My Hymn!"

I met a guy at a worship service who has a company in Birmingham, AL that does outreach to the hip-hop folks. His shows are now getting airtime on the big FM radio hip-hop stations (in B'ham). His ministry is really reaching some folks who desperately need to know they can find hope and new life.

One of the best things that's happened in B'ham and in Montgomery is a new FM gospel station, Hallelujah FM. They mostly play a mix of contemporary and traditional black gospel. I listen to it all the time.

Sounds like you could have a ministry there, Duce.

Blessings,
Julie

 

[scraparcs]

Let those who are served through hymns sing hymns, and let those who are served through hip-hop, umm, what do you do with hip-hop anyway? Dance?

 

[derBee]

Let those who are served through hymns sing hymns, and let those who are served through hip-hop, umm, what do you do with hip-hop anyway? Dance?

Ditto!

 

[Zoomer]

I have nothing against praise and worship music but my own opinion is that it does not belong in the church.

 

[ConCo]

Well, if we put down all the hymn we will be in big trouble, because those old
songs our so full of GOD's Power. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that GOD can't, and doesn't use Rapp, but the one is not to replace the other.

True Dat!

 

[SpeakLife329]

Theres not much wrong with any of these Genres of music as long as they glorify God...i see that people like the make fun of Rap music b/c I guess they think it's dumb or silly or whatever, but it's all about the taste in music...some people don't like hyms because they feel like it's funeral music...others may not like gospel b/c it's too much Choir...I mean your taste is your taste...and to say what and what does not belong in Music that worships God is putting God in a box...as I understand it He created music..so all of it needs to glorify Him.


Be blessed
K

 

[Aya-kun]

I don't see anything wrong with listening to Christian rap on your own time, but I don't find it appropriate for church. Call me old fashioned, I guess, but that's just how I feel. I don't really have any good excuse other than it's just not what I prefer and I don't particularly feel the spirit of God in that kind of music. Also, I think it's kind of distracting.

Then again hymns might not be so "religious" either. A lot of hymn music was based off of Bar songs, or so I've heard. But I still think they are better to have in church than rap music.

 

[WannaWitness]

Well, if we put down all the hymn we will be in big trouble, because those old
songs our so full of GOD's Power.

That is so right!!! My gosh, we just can't take these lovely hymns out of the church! If the church removes these songs that are so much a part of our heritage, then the church as we know it will shrivel up and die!!

I'm not saying that other styles of music are wrong. I love all kinds of music myself, and I believe God's anointing can be on just about any style of Christian music. Everyone has a different way of worshipping. But please -- don't mess with these wonderful hymns! Add some of the Maranatha choruses and Hillsong worship music if you so choose, but these hymns need to stay in the church, where they belong!!

 

[Historicus]

I love hymns, especially the traditional ones. I know of many youth and young adults who do.

 

[~Blackangel~513~]

Well at my church we minister through hymms, traditional and contemporary gospel, rap and dance. We do not put a limit to GOD and his power. We have not done way with hymms. But there are people in the world that need to be reached. If we can reach them rap, r&b, jazz, or through dancing we will do so.

 

[Pele]

Overall, music is a type of worship and is merely entertainment because the Lord didn't need music to preach the Word anyway.

But back to the topic. Christian rap is aok, just don't mix it up with that cult Hip Hop... and I think that's a great idea to use Chrisitan rap to witness to the Hip Hop community, but the problem I have is some Christian rappers trying to compromise... compromise with what is of God in order to do a little bit of what is popular/mainstream to supposedly win over souls to Christ. (i.e. sagging pants, gang signs, working with explicit producers, etc.)

Guard your ears people of God and if you even have the slightest doubt, burn the CD.

www*EXMinistries*com is a powerful website that'll give you some great information about ministering to youths/people in the Hip Hop Community. I used to be a Hip Hop head myself and used to try to right all the wrong excuses as to why I should keep these CD's in my collection. After a treat from my Pastor to view the DVD "Truth About Hip Hop Pt. 1" by Elder G. Craige Lewis, EXMinistries, I was catching flies w/ my mouth so wide opened at how much the enemy has deceived us... our youths... our children... our families and friends and community... shoot, the world at large with this culture was/is implemented by the enemy. He (G. Craige Lewis) backed it up with scripture and has 10-15 some odd years of research backed up with scientific evidence AND most importantly scripture scripture scripture. I made sure he didn't take the scriptures out of context. Look, just check it out for yourself... A lot of ppl will say "Oh, this is too controversial..." take another look again. Don't deny the truth and look at this from a spiritual side. Pray to God that He helps you to clearly grasp and understanding it all.

alrighty... here it is again.

www*EXMinistries*com (substitute the astericks with periods when typing online)

It saved me from being double minded and listening to this garbage called Hip Hop. Check the ORIGIN! GLORY TO GOD! Kids around the nation are having CD Bondfires all across the nation to London when they view this message... it's very necessary. Parents I can't encourage you enough to purchase the DVD's and sit it through with your teenagers/youths/kids so that they be equipped with things of God to filter out this garbage that's surrounding them everyday and reprogramming them and making them so rebellious through this culture/music they call Hip Hop. I wish I viewed this DVD back at around 8 years old. (r&b, soul, reggae, jazz, what have you guard your ears, not all of it is as good as it sounds, always check the origin & the messages conveyed through this music and ask yourself "What would God say?")

Check it out.

GOD BLESS.

 

[Brenron]

I always understood rap was the music, hip-hop is a culture. Anyway, how about rap hymns? It could be the next big thing! It is well/yo yo/with my soul/yo yo yo

 

[buckybsm]

hrmm, how about worship with your lives and not with songs?

that being said, you can even worship through instramentals if your hearts in the right place

 

[Pele]

I always understood rap was the music, hip-hop is a culture. Anyway, how about rap hymns? It could be the next big thing! It is well/yo yo/with my soul/yo yo yo

BUT it's a deceiving culture... Do you know the origin of the culture?

Peep: www.exministries.com - Elder G. Craige Lewis

Check the origin!​

Because of it's origin and what Hip Hop originally represented in it's earlier stages, we cannot embrace it as Christians. Their can be no Holy Hip Hoppers or no Christian Hip Hop because the culture cannot lend itself to the direction of the Holy Spirit. Yes, we do have very powerful Christian rap groups that preach the word of God through rap, but we must not get confused and call what they are doing Hip Hop. You have to understand that God does not embrace anything that has a corrupt origin. The very word "HipHop" was used by Afrikka Bambatta, the pioneer of the culture and professed Zulu Nation god, to describe the parties that he was hosting in clubs across New York in the early 70's. Since then, he has developed a religion that rested upon the Hip Hop culture. The culture is not from God, therefore, it should not be used by the people of God to describe anything that is of God!

People, please understand that Hip Hop is a way of governing your life. Therefore, it cannot be exploited as a Christian way of living. We understand that KRS-ONE and Afrika Bambaata have used the term Hip Hop to describe emceeing, deejaying, breakdancing, and other forms of entertainment, but Hip Hop is also, to them, a religion and a way of worshipping ourselves instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. How can we as believers hold on to this culture when it's origin is rooted in witchcraft and voodoo? How can we call ourselves Holy Hip Hoppers when this move of the enemy is influential enough to persuade Christians to protect it and defend it as a culture that should be embraced by the church even though it's founders don't embrace Jesus Christ? God forbid. My people, search the word of God for yourself. 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The positive aspects of Hip Hop are dung as far as the word of God is concerned. The negatives far out weigh the positives. Listen to the voice of the Lord on this one. God will not embrace what the world has developed as a means of glorifying that which is carnal and sin filled. Therefore, being a Holy HipHopper is the just like saying I am a Holy Pimp or a Gospel Gangsta or a Thug for Christ! God forbid. The old man is dead! Come on Christians, stop loving the things of the world and what the world has taught us. God wants to come and totally wipe away the old man, the old thought process and the old carnal identity that we obtained through poverty, sin, abandonment, fatherlessness, hurt, anger, and prejudice. Sure, we struggled, but once we are set free, we must walk in the newness of live in Jesus Christ.

So, we support Christian rappers that preach the unedited word of God in their music, but we will never embrace the culture of Hip Hop or any other culture of man. We will only support the set apart, sanctified lifestyle of the Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:6, Ephesians 4:22, Colosians 3:9

What it is? Da 3:10

Hip-hop is not rap! Rapping is style of conveying a message, like singing, humming, whistling, etc. Hip-hop is a culture, or way of living and governing your life. There is also a style of music that is a part of the hip-hop culture, but it’s not just represented by rap.

The founders and original pioneers of this culture teach that it is a religion. They teach that it is a tool to point people to the their god. Not the God of the Holy Bible. KRS-ONE teaches that the bible is irrelevant to the knowledge of his god. Hip-hop is a very effective tool for the degradation of our nations youth. KRS-ONE and the Temple of Hip Hop teaches that this culture was designed to give knowledge to self, or to show the Black man himself as god! He also teaches that we should accept Hip Hop as an organized religion and accept Hip Hop's drug of choice, marijuana!


What is its purpose? 2Ti 3:1

To set the stage for the coming of the antichrist and teach his doctrine of self-worship and knowledge of self.
To blur the existence and reality of the true and living God of the Holy Bible.
To lead youth into rebellion against the righteousness of God’s word.
To steal the true “meaning” or “purpose” of existence from our youth and lead them to early
death before they can fulfill their God given destiny.

Where did it come from? Da 11:38

The true origin of Hip Hop can be traced back as far as Africa. The Zulu Nation, a group of rebels under the leadership of Afrika Bambaata, started the music and religious aspects of hip hop in the late 70’s.

What does it produce? Ga 5:19

Youth with no fear. Youth with no purpose. Youth with no respect for authority. Youth with no parental guidance. Youth with no regards for their bodies, appearance, self-respect or futures. Hip Hop drives every aspect of our youths lives in most cases. They live it, breathe it, wear it and die for it. Hip-hop has done what no other tool of the devil has been able to do at this level. It has influenced all races, all ages, and all low-income areas in America. Hip-hop itself is a very weak demon, but has gone unattested for so long, that it has a major following.


How do you know when youth are under the influence of Hip Hop? Isa 5:20


1. The music – This is the number one source of influence. This is the evangelical tool for spreading the spirit of hip-hop abroad. You can easily tell when youth are into gangsta rap and explicit lyrical content. They show it in the behavior and the choices they make in life.
2. The clothing – Sagging jeans, tight fitted tops and bottoms, gang related outfits, prison attire. These are the clothes that hip hop influences our teens to wear freely. What was once considered appropriate only for prostitutes and hardened criminals is now acceptable attire for our youth!
3. The markings – Tattoos, piercing, strange hairstyles, gold teeth, vicious jewelry (dragons, dogs, snakes, etc) and the crucifix are all products of the hip hop culture. The devil wants our children marked like Cain, to show their pledge of allegiance to rebellion and self-gratification. These marking follow our youth and make it very hard to convert them back to their original identity.
4. The mentality – Hip-hop causes youth to be rebellious. To use foul language in public. To commit very strong sexual acts with other youth. To feel they have nothing to lose. To give up on their “good” values and take on the negativity of the hip hop culture.

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In hip hop –
a. Prison is a good place. To be arrested and beat the rap makes you a hero.
b. Teen pregnancy is accepted as the norm.
c. Sex is good. Getting VD is not even frowned upon. Having multiple partners okay.
d. Homosexuality and Bi Sexuality is normal and accepted.
e. Serving God and sin together is the norm.
f. God forgives sin, so it’s okay.
g. Foul language and physical abuse is accepted.
h. Bad grades in school are okay.
i. Using drugs and drinking is accepted.
j. Murder is good thing, if you deserve it.
k. Choosing a god other than Jesus Christ is okay.
l. Love is just a word.
m. Being a thug is cool. Looking like you just robbed a bank is the norm.
n. The white man is not fair and holds the black man down.
o. Church, the bible, preachers, etc. are not needed. We can learn on our own.
p. XXX behavior is accepted and preached lyrically in the music.
q. Anything goes, as long as you are feeling it.


How do we stop it? Ro 12:2

We as believers must fight against it. Not embrace it. It must start in the church. We must raise the standard of our churches and form anti Hip Hop youth groups. We cannot promote this culture in our churches. Many churches try to use secular music, hip-hop attitudes and customs to try to reach out to the youth. But we must not be conformed to the world. We must pray for the transformation. The renewing of the mind by the power of God. It can be done, but it must be done through us. We must educate, research, and warn parents, teachers, counselors and youth about the dangers of this culture and the consequences of sin.

 

[Pele]

hrmm, how about worship with your lives and not with songs?

that being said, you can even worship through instramentals if your hearts in the right place

Hey, that's the way it's always been anyway, music belonged to Lucifer before he was banned from Heaven and he was then later called Satan and he's still in charge of music.

You're right. The Word is to be lived/walked (be the living example) and spread throughout the nations.

 

[Brenron]

Hey, that's the way it's always been anyway, music belonged to Lucifer before he was banned from Heaven and he was then later called Satan and he's still in charge of music.

Satan has never owned music, music was a creation of God, and therefore is good (unless satan can create things, which you would need biblical proof of).

You're right. The Word is to be lived/walked (be the living example) and spread throughout the nations.

I agree here.

 

[Pele]

Satan has never owned music, music was a creation of God, and therefore is good (unless satan can create things, which you would need biblical proof of).QUOTE]

Well, some can say it better than I can.

Maybe this can help some of what I was trying to convey: http://www.exministries.com/downloads/tbhh1clip.wmv

 

[Brenron]

I don't have time to watch a movie, sum it up, please.