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I don’t disagree with you brother although I have found myself praying for loved ones after they have died asking God to have mercy on them. Ultimately I know it’s His decision and I know that whatever He decides is best for everyone and no matter what He decides I will accept His decision.
Your belief is contradicted by the Bible.
I can easily say the same thing for what I read of you.
You have been soundly refuted many times on your unscriptural, erroneous teaching on Eph 4's, "Lead captivity Captive", for example, yet you continue to double down on that teaching with ZERO scriptural support for such a view...
It's rather remarkable, and now made even more so with your projection of your own lack of scriptural support onto me.
Interestingly, our readers are smart enough to see through it.
If Facts are important, and pointing out the linguistic origins and Etymology of these 3 words is your genuine goal, then to reflect the Facts, #3 should read:
3. Purgatory (Latin: purgatorium; from purgare, “to purge”)
Now how about #4. Trinity
Feel free to show us That scripture, that Origin, and that meaning.
If you're merely puffing up your opinion, and attempting to disguise it as fact, then nevermind. Facts won't matter to you.
Unrepentant Sin Condemns. I agree.
What's your Point?
Perhaps you are the only one?
You would be the very first Christian of ANY sect I know of who even attempts to deny this text speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. It says our works will go through “fire,” figuratively speaking. In Scripture, “fire” is used metaphorically in two ways: as a purifying agent (Mal. 3:2-3; Matt. 3:11; Mark 9:49); and as that which consumes (Matt. 3:12; 2 Thess. 1:7-8). So it is a fitting symbol here for God’s judgment. Some of the “works” represented are being burned up and some are being purified. These works survive or burn according to their essential “quality” (Greek. hopoiov – of what sort).
Matthew Henry, again with some fine scholarship:
But of those that hold the foundation, and embrace the general doctrine of Christ’s being the mediator between God and man, there are two sorts:—I. Some build upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones (v. 12), namely, those who receive and propagate the pure truths of the gospel, who hold nothing but the truth as it is in Jesus, and preach nothing else. This is building well upon a good foundation, making all of apiece, when ministers not only depend upon Christ as the great prophet of the church, and take him for their guide and infallible teacher, but receive and spread the doctrines he taught, in their purity, without any corrupt mixtures, without adding or diminishing.II. Others build wood, hay, and stubble, on this foundation; that is, though they adhere to the foundation, they depart from the mind of Christ in many particulars, substitute their own fancies and inventions in the room of his doctrines and institutions, and build upon the good foundation what will not abide the test when the day of trial shall come, and the fire must make it manifest, as wood, hay, and stubble, will not bear the trial by fire, but must be consumed in it. There is a time coming when a discovery will be made of what men have built on this foundation: Every man’s work shall be made manifest, shall be laid open to view, to his own view and that of others. Some may, in the simplicity of their hearts, build wood and stubble on the good foundation, and know not, all the while, what they have been doing; but in the day of the Lord their own conduct shall appear to them in its proper light. Every man’s work shall be made manifest to himself, and made manifest to others, both those that have been misled by him and those that have escaped his errors. Now we may be mistaken in ourselves and others; but there is a day coming that will cure all our mistakes, and show us ourselves, and show us our actions in the true light, without covering or disguise: For the day shall declare it (that is, every man’s work), because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work, of what sort it is, v. 13. The day shall declare and make it manifest, the last day, the great day of trial; see ch. 4:5
There is a day coming that will as nicely distinguish one man from another, and one man’s work from another’s, as the fire distinguishes gold from dross, or metal that will bear the fire from other materials that will be consumed in it. In that day, 1. Some men’s works will abide the trial —will be found standard. It will appear that they not only held the foundation, but that they built regularly and well upon it—that they laid on proper materials, and in due form and order. The foundation and the superstructure were all of a piece. The foundation-truths, and those that had a manifest connection with them, were taught together. It may not be so easy to discern this connection now, nor know what works will abide the trial then; but that day will make a full discovery. And such a builder shall not, cannot fail of a reward. He will have praise and honour in that day, and eternal recompence after it. Note, Fidelity in the ministers of Christ will meet with a full and ample reward in a future life. Those who spread true and pure religion in all the branches of it, and whose work will abide in the great day, shall receive a reward. And, Lord, how great! how much exceeding their deserts! 2. There are others whose works shall be burnt (v. 15), whose corrupt opinions and doctrines, or vain inventions and usages in the worship of God, shall be discovered, disowned, and rejected, in that day-shall be first manifested to be corrupt, and then disapproved of God and rejected. Note, The great day will pluck off all disguises, and make things appear as they are: He whose work shall be burnt will suffer loss. If he have built upon the right foundation wood and hay and stubble, he will suffer loss. His weakness and corruption will be the lessening of his glory, though he may in the general have been an honest and an upright Christian. This part of his work will be lost, turning no way to his advantage, though he himself may be saved. Observe, Those who hold the foundation of Christianity, though they build hay, wood, and stubble, upon it, may be saved.
I welcome the opportunity to examine ANY commentary you can produce that, like you, does not place this purification by fire "AFTER DEATH".
I'm Happy to review Any Scholarly, published Christian opinion that agrees with your claim that this scripture does not speak of a time "After the death" of the Christian.
Can you point us to one?
If you can't, then you just may have the answer to your question as to whether or not you are the only one.
Purgatory is simply the purification spoken of in the Bible that comes before Heaven. Catholics also believe that nothing unclean can enter Heaven.Quite the contrary.
You either ............
1. you do not know MY belief
2. or you do not know what the Bible says.
Since you believe in Purgatory which is NOT found anywhere in the Bible at all, a safe position would be in the 2nd idea.
Facts ARE important. Allow me to demonstrate.......
Please post ANY Bible Scripture from the KJV, ESV, Living Bible, NIV, Amplified, NKJV,
Holman, NRSV, NASB, CSB, AMP.....
ONE single Scripture with the word "PURGATORY".
Remember.....YOU said facts are important, so then lets see more ACTION and less words!!!!!
Keep your focus on Jesus when you pray. I recommend the Rosary for all, it is very much praying the Bible. One method used for praying is to visualize yourself being at the event. For example, when praying the sorrowful mysteries of the rosary imagine yourself being there at the cross seeing how Jesus suffered for us all. As to candles, if it helps you focus on prayer that is great, remember Jesus is the light of the world.My point was that individuals who mindlessly and unwittingly repeat various words to God are not praying, but engaging in a type of work which will be burned up at the judgement seat of Christ. For example, in Tibetan Bhuddism if one places a certain flag in a windy location it is believed that every time the wind moves it a prayer is sent up to heaven. In a similar way there are Christians who believe that lighting a candle and placing it in front of an altar (usually of a particular saint) the prayers will ascend to God as long as the candle burns. That, assuredly, is not praying without ceasing.
Keep your focus on Jesus when you pray. I recommend the Rosary for all, it is very much praying the Bible. One method used for praying is to visualize yourself being at the event. For example, when praying the sorrowful mysteries of the rosary imagine yourself being there at the cross seeing how Jesus suffered for us all. As to candles, if it helps you focus on prayer that is great, remember Jesus is the light of the world.
I don't quite get the connection of a focus on Jesus when somebody says, "Hail, Holy Queen".
Mary will always lead you to Jesus. She is part of salvation history, and the Word of God says that all generations are to call her blessed. Jesus made her our spiritual mother at the cross. In the Davidic Kingdom, and I urge you to read Isaiah, the mother of the king, not the wife, but the mother of the king is the queen. Our Blessed Mother makes constant petitions on our behalf. Jesus worked his first public miracle at the Wedding at Cana as per her request. Do you call her blessed?I don't quite get the connection of a focus on Jesus when somebody says, "Hail, Holy Queen".
Keep your focus on Jesus when you pray. I recommend the Rosary for all, it is very much praying the Bible. One method used for praying is to visualize yourself being at the event. For example, when praying the sorrowful mysteries of the rosary imagine yourself being there at the cross seeing how Jesus suffered for us all. As to candles, if it helps you focus on prayer that is great, remember Jesus is the light of the world.
The Rosary is a way of repeating the same words over and over.....is it not? YES it is!
Matthew 6:7.......
"But when you pray, use not vain repetitions as the heathen do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
Mary will always lead you to Jesus. She is part of salvation history, and the Word of God says that all generations are to call her blessed. Jesus made her our spiritual mother at the cross. In the Davidic Kingdom, and I urge you to read Isaiah, the mother of the king, not the wife, but the mother of the king is the queen. Our Blessed Mother makes constant petitions on our behalf. Jesus worked his first public miracle at the Wedding at Cana as per her request. Do you call her blessed?
Well, the point of that statement was that VAIN repetitions are wrong, not that all repetitions are improper. In addition, there obviously is also that other and related m--the heathens are described as "show offs" with their praying, and we should not be like that.The Rosary is a way of repeating the same words over and over.....is it not? YES it is!
Matthew 6:7.......
"But when you pray, use not vain repetitions as the heathen do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
Keep your focus on Jesus when you pray. I recommend the Rosary for all, it is very much praying the Bible. One method used for praying is to visualize yourself being at the event. For example, when praying the sorrowful mysteries of the rosary imagine yourself being there at the cross seeing how Jesus suffered for us all. As to candles, if it helps you focus on prayer that is great, remember Jesus is the light of the world.
I think it was mentioned earlier that the person is supposed to meditate on events in the life of Jesus while reciting the prayers appointed for each group of ten beads.Now where in that is Jesus Christ mentioned???
Purgatory is simply the purification spoken of in the Bible that comes before Heaven. Catholics also believe that nothing unclean can enter Heaven.
NO it is not my friend. There is NO/NONE/ZERO/NADA Scriptures that speak of a place or event that comes before heaven.
You are simply posting RCC traditional teachings which has NO concept in the Scriptures.
There is also nothing specific in the Bible defining the Trinity. One God, three persons. You won't find the word "Trinity" in the Bible.NO it is not my friend. There is NO/NONE/ZERO/NADA Scriptures that speak of a place or event that comes before heaven.
You are simply posting RCC traditional teachings which has NO concept in the Scriptures.
Again.......Purgatory is a completely concocted teaching by MEN and is alian to the Word of God.
However.....CONGRATULATIONS----you are correct that no unclean thing can enter heaven.
Revelation 21:27........
"But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life."
God's means of cleansing the sinner is by the blood of Jesus, shed on the cross, which cleanses us completely and brought us into fellowship with God; this same blood of Jesus keeps us clean from all sin that would sever that fellowship.
There is nothing else that we can do to be cleansed of sin and made righteous!!!
This is a continual cleansing from daily sins that are present from our fallen nature. The believer still struggles against his sinful nature, the confession of sin brings our trespasses to the light. The Scripture tells us To “walk in the light, as he is in the light” to have fellowship (koinonia) with the brethren and God.
This means lives of holiness and purity; characteristic of being a light in the world, an example of Christ. We are to walk in the truth; that is, embracing the truth in opposition to error. John 3:19- those who are darkness like it, and do not want to come to the light. God is light and Christianity is about those who come to light to know the depth of their darkness.
1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Confession of sins, Greek- homologeia - “to say the same things as” God does about our sins. To agree with God is the only prerequisite for our complete forgiveness and cleansing. If we agree with God about our sins, confess them, we are forgiven and cleansed by our faithful and righteous High Priest!
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