Purgatory and the Immaculate Conception

[MKJ]

Not unless it includes the following--

--Purgation, punishment for unforgiven sins (as well as forgiven ones).

--A long stay (in most cases).

...and that's to mention only the most indisputable characteristics of Purgatory. Almost no one on these forums who wants to float his own idea of what a "Purgatory" should be like includes these, yet there is no hesitation to say that it's "Purgatory." Well, that's not the case. If, however, someone wants to play "what I think the afterlife might be like" that's different.

I think you are confused, because you keep saying things that are not even claimed by the CC.

Purgation and punishment are not the same thing, first of all. I am not sure why you keep saying they are the same or equivalent.

And then even the Catholic Church says quite explicitly that it is impossible to assign time values to purgatory, that we cannot understand the way in which time exists for those in purgatory (or Heaven or whatever) before the final judgement. So to say it has to mean "a long stay" is a bit odd. No one is claiming that.

To say it is in order to repair sins, forgiven or unforgiving, isn't totally wrong, I suppose, but it is pretty misleading.

 

[Albion]

I think you are confused, because you keep saying things that are not even claimed by the CC.

Look, if you don't want to hear from anyone who disagrees, that's fine. Just pass on to the next post. Pretending I am "confused" or that I don't know what the church teaches without even knowing my history is silly, to say the least.

And if the game is to quibble over the choice of a word or two (time, for instance) used in a quick phrase that we both understand very well (I am assuming that you understand something about Purgatory), it's not one I want to play.

It's almost amusing, though, to have you make a deal out of the word "time" in reference to the afterlife--which everyone uses because although we all know that there is no time in eternity, there's no other easy way to address it--at the same time as you're scrambling to find a way to justify the completely misleading (that was the word, wasn't it?) use of the word "Purgatory!"